DUST Search - [Announcement] Status Update

Vrain Matari wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Dear players,
Thanks for the heads up.

I just want to speak up and let everyone know that we are working on really good features, that have taken a lot of effort from me and the whole team. Hence the silence.

On the hotfix front, I have been considering a complete limited tiericide, ie. removal of slot progression from all dropsuits.
I was always against this in terms of the NPE/Player experience as i felt the motivations for tiericide were misguided, but for it in terms of what it might accomplish with memory/framerate. At this point i'd say we have to try and what improvements it yields. Plus i want to rub it in the faces of all those idiots who said it would be less stompy for the noobs.

We have also been busy on the SKIN front, and the plan is to finally be able to remove the unique BPO's and replace them with SKINs. We were hit with a little curveball from EVE, improved tools for us all, but slowed down our pipeline while we got used to the new tools.
I am ready for my Raven skin, bring it. Interesting, what kind of new tools? Part of the shared technology that forms the platform for EVE/Dust/Valkyrie?

However, due to all these complexities, we may need to fold logistics and commando slot changes into the next release, instead of deploying through a planned hotfix Foxtrot.
kk

One change we will be implementing is a flat strafe speed reduction, from 90% of forward speed to 70%. DUST 514 is a tactical shooter. This change can be debated, but probably not averted, but it could be reverted in a later hotfix.
We really have no choice here, we can't allow suits to move faster thane the game can handle. This change will reveal just how weak my beloved Minmatar Assault/Scout suits are. I agree with the strafe nerf but it feels like we're shooting ol'Yeller.

We still aim for a cool Event with an awesome reward, and a Newsletter with another very cool reward, so lots of things happening. o7

Thanks to the team for the hard work. You mercs rock.

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Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 998	Posted - 2015.06.16 12:21:00 - [31] - Quote Could really do with a BPO power core to go with the skin. As a replacement for a BPO suit.
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 413	Posted - 2015.06.16 12:23:00 - [32] - Quote Almost jizzed myself when I read the title, I thought we were getting future of Dust info.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 998	Posted - 2015.06.16 12:26:00 - [33] - Quote Reducing strafe speed is likely to have the most effect on suits that currently rely heavily on strafe speed, i.e. assaults and hp tanked scouts. Hopefully this will tone down FOTM min assaults, as well has helping stealth gameplay, HMG heavies, rep and scan logis, commando utility and shield tanking. Generally making things more tactical. Unfortunately Gallente assaults may suffer as much as Minmatar. There was mention in the past of possible AR buffs or Gal ass bonus improvements. May be best to see how things pan out though.
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Smart Deploy 200	Posted - 2015.06.16 12:36:00 - [34] - Quote We need more clarifications on some of tge items mentioned. Here is obe question in regards to BPOs. I bought a quafe bpo suit (and matching methana car). This suit its a basic caldari scout but in pinkish/purple color. Because it us a bpo suit and NEVER!!! runs out this suit saves me 3,000 isk per death. With the new changes will the suit become consumable?
Fristname Family name Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 206	Posted - 2015.06.16 12:40:00 - [35] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Reducing strafe speed is likely to have the most effect on suits that currently rely heavily on strafe speed, i.e. assaults and hp tanked scouts. Hopefully this will tone down FOTM min assaults, as well has helping stealth gameplay, HMG heavies, rep and scan logis, commando utility and shield tanking. Generally making things more tactical. Unfortunately Gallente assaults may suffer as much as Minmatar. There was mention in the past of possible AR buffs or Gal ass bonus improvements. May be best to see how things pan out though. might be just me but what does the strafe of a hmg heavy have to do with the strafe nerf? i normally would just charge at them holding R1... a logi i can see as i run in little circles to pass the time while repping people tho. also not getting a AR buff doesn't make gal suffer in anyway.. they stay the same and get affected by the global nerf every other suit gets effected by..... i might have misread or something but feel free to explain c: BUILD MORE FARMS!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 12:43:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thanks for the heads up. I just want to speak up and let everyone know that we are working on really good features, that have taken a lot of effort from me and the whole team. Hence the silence. On the hotfix front, I have been considering a complete limited tiericide, ie. removal of slot progression from all dropsuits. I was always against this in terms of the NPE/Player experience as i felt the motivations for tiericide were misguided, but for it in terms of what it might accomplish with memory/framerate. At this point i'd say we have to try and see what improvements it yields. Plus i want to rub it in the faces of all those idiots who said it would be less stompy for the noobs. We have also been busy on the SKIN front, and the plan is to finally be able to remove the unique BPO's and replace them with SKINs. We were hit with a little curveball from EVE, improved tools for us all, but slowed down our pipeline while we got used to the new tools. I am ready for my Raven skin, bring it. Interesting, what kind of new tools? Part of the shared technology that forms the platform for EVE/Dust/Valkyrie? However, due to all these complexities, we may need to fold logistics and commando slot changes into the next release, instead of deploying through a planned hotfix Foxtrot. kk One change we will be implementing is a flat strafe speed reduction, from 90% of forward speed to 70%. DUST 514 is a tactical shooter. This change can be debated, but probably not averted, but it could be reverted in a later hotfix. We really have no choice here, we can't allow suits to move faster thane the game can handle. This change will reveal just how weak my beloved Minmatar Assault/Scout suits are. I agree with the strafe nerf but it feels like we're shooting ol'Yeller. We still aim for a cool Event with an awesome reward, and a Newsletter with another very cool reward, so lots of things happening. o7 Thanks to the team for the hard work. You mercs rock. PSN: RationalSpark
Fristname Family name Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 206	Posted - 2015.06.16 12:43:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, I just want to speak up and let everyone know that we are working on really good features, that have taken a lot of effort from me and the whole team. Hence the silence. . so you've all been locked inside a room with nothing but coffee, a water cooler, vending machines and complementary bikkies for the past week and haven't seen your families for a while correct? BUILD MORE FARMS!
Fristname Family name Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 206	Posted - 2015.06.16 12:45:00 - [38] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, Thanks for the heads up. I just want to speak up and let everyone know that we are working on really good features, that have taken a lot of effort from me and the whole team. Hence the silence. On the hotfix front, I have been considering a complete limited tiericide, ie. removal of slot progression from all dropsuits. I was always against this in terms of the NPE/Player experience as i felt the motivations for tiericide were misguided, but for it in terms of what it might accomplish with memory/framerate. At this point i'd say we have to try and what improvements it yields. Plus i want to rub it in the faces of all those idiots who said it would be less stompy for the noobs. We have also been busy on the SKIN front, and the plan is to finally be able to remove the unique BPO's and replace them with SKINs. We were hit with a little curveball from EVE, improved tools for us all, but slowed down our pipeline while we got used to the new tools. I am ready for my Raven skin, bring it. Interesting, what kind of new tools? Part of the shared technology that forms the platform for EVE/Dust/Valkyrie? However, due to all these complexities, we may need to fold logistics and commando slot changes into the next release, instead of deploying through a planned hotfix Foxtrot. kk One change we will be implementing is a flat strafe speed reduction, from 90% of forward speed to 70%. DUST 514 is a tactical shooter. This change can be debated, but probably not averted, but it could be reverted in a later hotfix. We really have no choice here, we can't allow suits to move faster thane the game can handle. This change will reveal just how weak my beloved Minmatar Assault/Scout suits are. I agree with the strafe nerf but it feels like we're shooting ol'Yeller. We still aim for a cool Event with an awesome reward, and a Newsletter with another very cool reward, so lots of things happening. o7 Thanks to the team for the hard work. You mercs rock. ............. okieedokiee then if you like making things hard ;-; at least put the things in bold along with italics so it stands out BUILD MORE FARMS!
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 90	Posted - 2015.06.16 12:48:00 - [39] - Quote Luna McDuffing wrote: We need more clarifications on some of tge items mentioned. Here is obe question in regards to BPOs. I bought a quafe bpo suit (and matching methana car). This suit its a basic caldari scout but in pinkish/purple color. Because it us a bpo suit and NEVER!!! runs out this suit saves me 3,000 isk per death. With the new changes will the suit become consumable? With the flattening of slot progression instead of different tiers of suits we're going to be getting one suit per role, per race (Plus officer suits and other small exceptions). So instead of having over 100 suits, we'll have closer to the range of 20. All these suits will become BPOs, and instead of having, say, Standard, Advanced, and Prototype Amarr Sentinel, we'll instead just have Amarr Sentinel with a Standard, Advanced, or Prototype Power Core. So you won't have the Quafe dropsuit BPO anymore, but you'll have a Quafe SKIN BPO that can be applied to your dropsuit, which will be changed to a BPO with the upcoming slot progression update. I could be wrong, though, because I haven't been up to date on tiericide in a while. Things may have changed since I last looked.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 12:58:00 - [40] - Quote thor424 wrote: Almost jizzed myself when I read the title, I thought we were getting future of Dust info. Same here. For the briefest second i thought the wavefunction was going to collapse and we would learn if we've been wise of foolish to devote this time to Dust. Are we caring for a beloved but disability-ridden friend who is on their way out, or are we tending to the king of all shooters while he is wounded and recovering? PSN: RationalSpark

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 12:58:00 - [41] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Luna McDuffing wrote: We need more clarifications on some of tge items mentioned. Here is obe question in regards to BPOs. I bought a quafe bpo suit (and matching methana car). This suit its a basic caldari scout but in pinkish/purple color. Because it us a bpo suit and NEVER!!! runs out this suit saves me 3,000 isk per death. With the new changes will the suit become consumable? With the flattening of slot progression instead of different tiers of suits we're going to be getting one suit per role, per race (Plus officer suits and other small exceptions). So instead of having over 100 suits, we'll have closer to the range of 20. All these suits will become BPOs, and instead of having, say, Standard, Advanced, and Prototype Amarr Sentinel, we'll instead just have Amarr Sentinel with a Standard, Advanced, or Prototype Power Core. So you won't have the Quafe dropsuit BPO anymore, but you'll have a Quafe SKIN BPO that can be applied to your dropsuit, which will be changed to a BPO with the upcoming slot progression update. I could be wrong, though, because I haven't been up to date on tiericide in a while. Things may have changed since I last looked. I do hope we get a Power Core BPO too. Because the Elite Pack as well as the CE Code was kinda too expensive to be reduced to a mere SKIN now. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:02:00 - [42] - Quote reads... talks to myself - hm.. they'll change this and this.. change that so we'll have more unsolved bugs.. Strafe speed change. Bingo. Don't even think on backing out of it / changing it later. This is a big change. Very plesant. Scouts/assaults will have to aim better instead of dancing. Loyal to The State Member of : State Protectorate Belongs to : Patriots power bloc Civire Bloodline
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:05:00 - [43] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: reads... talks to myself - hm.. they'll change this and this.. change that so we'll have more unsolved bugs.. Strafe speed change. Bingo. Don't even think on backing out of it / changing it later. This is a big change. Very plesant. Scouts/assaults will have to aim better instead of dancing. Hoping that the reduction in strafe will lead to a reduction in aim assist, tbh. PSN: RationalSpark
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:12:00 - [44] - Quote Thanks for breaking the silence with an awesome update, Rattati. Happy to hear that strafe speed is taking a hit. DEATH TO THE WIGGLE STRAFERS! @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
CeeJ Mantis Mantodea MC 199	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:26:00 - [45] - Quote Is love to see commando/logi slots wrapped into tieracide changes. We commandos cvould use an extra slot, and logis in general need their slots/fitting to be normalised across tiers and race. Loving the strafe nerf so much. Interested in seeing how reducing the only active means of tanking will effect fittings. I personally expect more froggers, scouts, and sentinels. Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:29:00 - [46] - Quote Fristname Family name wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Reducing strafe speed is likely to have the most effect on suits that currently rely heavily on strafe speed, i.e. assaults and hp tanked scouts. Hopefully this will tone down FOTM min assaults, as well has helping stealth gameplay, HMG heavies, rep and scan logis, commando utility and shield tanking. Generally making things more tactical. Unfortunately Gallente assaults may suffer as much as Minmatar. There was mention in the past of possible AR buffs or Gal ass bonus improvements. May be best to see how things pan out though. might be just me but what does the strafe of a hmg heavy have to do with the strafe nerf? i normally would just charge at them holding R1... a logi i can see as i run in little circles to pass the time while repping people tho. also not getting a AR buff doesn't make gal suffer in anyway.. they stay the same and get affected by the global nerf every other suit gets effected by..... i might have misread or something but feel free to explain c: It helps HMG heavies as targets will be less able to strafe through the HMG fire. As you say, heavies rely less on strafing themselves, so the nerf won't hit them as hard. Regarding Gal assaults, I was saying they tend to rely quite heavily on strafing, so the nerf will hit them harder than some other suits. I was also saying that we should remember that there has been mention of possible AR/Gal assault buffs, so perhaps we shouldn't worry too much about the effect the strafe nerf might have on them.
ReGnYuM Second-Nature D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:33:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: One change we will be implementing is a flat strafe speed reduction, from 90% of forward speed to 70%. DUST 514 is a tactical shooter. This change can be debated, but probably not averted, but it could be reverted in a later hotfix. Maybe you want to clarify your definition of a tactical shooter, because for the past 2+ years Dust has never been anything near what you're inciting. Furthermore, I have always questioned the wiggle wiggle witch hunt movement. I agree, Hit detection is not perfect, but by all means a player does not become invincible by moving back and forth. So my question is this: Is Dust 514 now a branded tactical shooter and therefore strafing is no longer a needed mechanic? or Are we reducing Strafe speed because it is a proclaimed hit detection problem?
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:44:00 - [48] - Quote Commando buff imminent. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet". My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 13:46:00 - [49] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: One change we will be implementing is a flat strafe speed reduction, from 90% of forward speed to 70%. DUST 514 is a tactical shooter. This change can be debated, but probably not averted, but it could be reverted in a later hotfix. Maybe you want to clarify your definition of a tactical shooter, because for the past 2+ years Dust has never been anything near what you're inciting. Furthermore, I have always questioned the wiggle wiggle witch hunt movement. I agree, Hit detection is not perfect, but by all means a player does not become invincible by moving back and forth. So my question is this: Is Dust 514 now a branded tactical shooter and therefore strafing is no longer a needed mechanic? My take on this is that strafing is an important part of the game, but will be toned down by this change. It's about balance.
Foehammerr Dead Man's Game 191	Posted - 2015.06.16 14:59:00 - [50] - Quote I Don't Know if This Was Touched on or already known, but if strafe speed is being naturally reduced, heavy plates need to be rebalanced. If they aren't, anyone who uses them will be unable to move any other direction but forward. They pretty much won't be used at all. *De Opresso Liber* Beta Vet since 2/5/2013

Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 15:02:00 - [51] - Quote Strafing nerf? slayers everywhere kick over tables and throw their controllers at a wall Though it is something I do a lot, its a good change. Choo choo chooooo, lets all fck a blender. Dench's Thrift Shop* <-- WIP
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 15:26:00 - [52] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: x64 surely!! Or are you saying the PS4 is x86 architecture? ...All modern PC's are x86. More specifically, x86-64. Maybe I mis-spoke. I was getting at a PC version of DUST targetting a 64-bit architecture instead of 32-bit, and the associated benefits. The way I read your post (which I can't see from what you quoted here) I thought you meant a 32-bit version of DUST. Anyway...not gonna happen - I hope I'm proven wrong
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.16 16:00:00 - [53] - Quote Foehammerr wrote: I Don't Know if This Was Touched on or already known, but if strafe speed is being naturally reduced, heavy plates need to be rebalanced. If they aren't, anyone who uses them will be unable to move any other direction but forward. They pretty much won't be used at all. Only sentinels use normal plates. And they don't really need to move any other direction than forward. Loyal to The State Member of : State Protectorate Belongs to : Patriots power bloc Civire Bloodline
Sirpidey Adtur Aloren Foundations 159	Posted - 2015.06.16 16:37:00 - [54] - Quote It is my understanding that the powercore change will help save a good bit of RAM usage, which is a large bottleneck for new content. How much RAM do you estimate will be saved, and what do you believe can be done with the newly freed ram?
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 16:42:00 - [55] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: One change we will be implementing is a flat strafe speed reduction, from 90% of forward speed to 70%. DUST 514 is a tactical shooter. This change can be debated, but probably not averted, but it could be reverted in a later hotfix. Maybe you want to clarify your definition of a tactical shooter, because for the past 2+ years Dust has never been anything near what you're inciting. Furthermore, I have always questioned the wiggle wiggle witch hunt movement. I agree, Hit detection is not perfect, but by all means a player does not become invincible by moving back and forth. So my question is this: Is Dust 514 now a branded tactical shooter and therefore strafing is no longer a needed mechanic? or Are we reducing Strafe speed because it is a proclaimed hit detection problem? Agree about the witch hunt. I never really learned to wiggle-wiggle well but i keep trying. It's obviously a learned skill, just like aiming, which make encounters more interesting: two opponents matching skills over multiple categories: positioning, cover, timing, movement, ammo management, aiming, strafing....i don't understand where the wiggle-wiggle witch hunt is coming from, but imo it's definitely not healthy for the game. I do understand completely concerns about the game engine not being able to track suits due to framerate limitations, and reluctantly support the strafe reduction for that reason only. If/When framerate goes up in the future i want strafe to go up with it. PSN: RationalSpark
DiablosMajora 182	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:00:00 - [56] - Quote Any ETA on the next hotfix? I'm honestly surprised at how quickly tiericide is being added, and the powercore idea visually brings to mind something similar to Fallout 4's new Power Armor: http://youtu.be/iYil155lIsM Good to see the status update. Will be interested to see how the changes affect gameplay! PS. Will dropsuits ever get a redesign/added feature like vehicles have? Specifically, an 'opportunities of engagement' type of thing. Prepare your angus
psyanyde 95	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:43:00 - [57] - Quote >reducing strafe http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.16 17:54:00 - [58] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: Any ETA on the next hotfix? I'm honestly surprised at how quickly tiericide is being added, and the powercore idea visually brings to mind something similar to Fallout 4's new Power Armor: http://youtu.be/iYil155lIsM Good to see the status update. Will be interested to see how the changes affect gameplay! PS. Will dropsuits ever get a redesign/added feature like vehicles have? Specifically, an 'opportunities of engagement' type of thing. Nooo!!!! That sh+»t destroyed vehicles. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
DiablosMajora 182	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:06:00 - [59] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: DiablosMajora wrote: Any ETA on the next hotfix? I'm honestly surprised at how quickly tiericide is being added, and the powercore idea visually brings to mind something similar to Fallout 4's new Power Armor: http://youtu.be/iYil155lIsM Good to see the status update. Will be interested to see how the changes affect gameplay! PS. Will dropsuits ever get a redesign/added feature like vehicles have? Specifically, an 'opportunities of engagement' type of thing. Nooo!!!! That sh+»t destroyed vehicles. eh, thinking back I'd perhaps should have phrased it differently: More utility-based equipment when? :D Prepare your angus
IAmDuncanIdaho II Nos Nothi 2	Posted - 2015.06.16 18:10:00 - [60] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We still aim for a cool Event with an awesome reward, and a Newsletter with another very cool reward, so lots of things happening. I love rewards, hint please, I want to guess what they are! You'll like it. fyi, Kevall was using the voice when he said that. No really. You WILL like it.



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