See, this is my issue with you. You never intended to vote for the dude and you have absolutely no intentions of changing your views about that - you don't care what he stands for, who he is, or what he's done for the community; the only thing you care about is that he doesn't constantly agree with your - often ****** - viewpoints and buy into your constant use of Ad Hominem.

Point in case, you antagonize the guy about how open-minded he is and then for the next half-dozen posts go on your own little rant about why he's not "community representative material" - which is laughable because you act like your idea of what -is- and -is not- community rep material is somehow the standard; well, allow me to enlighten you on something, buddy, it isn't. You are not that important, you are not the center of the universe, and while your handful of friends in-game might be nodding and agreeing with your one-sided view of things, there are a lot of us out there that could care less about what you think up until you start pulling this "hey everyone look at what I think isn't CPM material" act -that you always do-.

Because, honest to god, even if the dude -DID- work on his temper, hell even if -I- worked on -MY- temper (pro-tip, I'm not going to) you still wouldn't vote for either of us because it just doesn't pander what -YOU- want out of the game, no matter how conceited or egocentric it actually is. The personality isn't a factor, you're just using that as a justification for an argument so you don't come out and just admit that you don't like either of us because we disagree with you. You scrape for any little flaw in the personality to use against them BECAUSE IT'S YOUR SPECIALTY. If you didn't have Ad Hominem on your side, none of your arguments would hold -ANY- weight at all because you just can't argue the points brought up.

And until you actually get around to realizing that, you can't honestly expect anyone to respect you because you don't have show enough respect as to not just blindly contradict someone in some ham-fisted attempt to make them look bad and then hilariously finish with a half-hearted, insincere compliment like "I think you have good ideas" sandwiched in between (who'd have guessed) even more contradictory bullshit.

Just leave dude. Just leave the community and stop trying because those who actually matter will never buy into your tactics.

Hopefully more people will be aware of this and actually question the hopefuls, instead of blindly voting for them even after the masses of red flags that appeared on them during the campaigns (pyrex vouching for you being the biggest red flag)

also mfw no one mentions me in the CPM2 thread, sadface

So, I plan on doing instructional videos for, mostly for Lucent but the community benefits as well. That's pretty, bold to say. I would hope people logical enough to know that Judge was just judge and stop trying to convince that because people have a trivial hobby, trait, etc. in common means they are alarmingly the same.
The world isn't just black and white.

I guess the DUST 514 version of that idiom is "The world isn't just green and blue"

I'm not running for office, Aeon.

If I were, I would expect my history of bias to be called into question, be it perceived or factual. I would expect my viewpoints and agendas, both past and present, to be inquired about and challenged. I would expect that any "bad behavior" in my past (fits, name-calling, irrational posting, etc) to be dug up and offered as a potential indicator for future behavior. I would expect to be thoroughly vetted.

And if I were running for a position as a Community Representative, I would absolutely expect to be called out if I had ever referred to the Community as "idiots".

So, I plan on doing instructional videos for, mostly for Lucent but the community benefits as well. That's pretty, bold to say. I would hope people logical enough to know that Judge was just judge and stop trying to convince that because people have a trivial hobby, trait, etc. in common means they are alarmingly the same.
The world isn't just black and white.


I guess the DUST 514 version of that idiom is "The world isn't just green and blue"

And again, because apparently I didn't get the point across the first time. A CPM's behavior on the forums? Has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to CPM. If you don't believe me do some research on this guy and how/why he made the CSM actually relevant in Eve Online: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/The%20Mittani

EDIT: Here's a video that'll show you how civil an internet space-bastard can be whenever it actually matters. https://youtu.be/7kat_uoAvnk

Think before you post and you won't be called an idiot. Being a 'Representative' doesn't automatically assume you to be nice or hold people's hands and the community is not entitled niceness from a representative. They're there to get a job done, not to play the politician. I'd actually be -MORE- worried about a candidate that does play nice with everyone because they then cannot be objective. I want a candidate that is passionate and stands up for their beliefs with drive, stubborn drive if necessary.

Feel free to vote for 'everyone's friend' if you want. We had that already and it didn't change anything.

Didn't he get kicked because he told someone to kill themselves at fanfest? Yeah no. **** that guy.

Doesn't have anything to do with what he did for the community and the game at large. Watch the video, learn something. Stop having an emotional reaction to a logical situation.

Representative absolutely means dealing with people, and personalities matter when it comes to dealing with people. We need representatives who can get the community involved while remaining focused on the issues. Candidates with histories of throwing tantrums, name-calling, browbeating, etc should be called out for their behavior as these behaviors stand in direct conflict with what we need in representatives.

You, Appia, Sgt Kirk, me ... we are cut from the same cloth. We're as likely to attack the person as we are the issue. It is a part of our personality, and try as we may, it will not change. We would all make for sub-optimal Community Representatives.

Doesn't have anything to do with what he did for the community and the game at large. Watch the video, learn something. Stop having an emotional reaction to a logical situation.

Representative absolutely means dealing with people, and personalities matter when it comes to dealing with people. We need representatives who can get the community involved while remaining focused on the issues. Candidates with histories of throwing tantrums, name-calling, browbeating, etc should be called out for their behavior as these behaviors stand in direct conflict with what we need in representatives.

You, Appia, Sgt Kirk, me ... we are cut from the same cloth. We're as likely to attack the person as we are the issue. We would all make for bad Community Representatives.

Didn't he get kicked because he told someone to kill themselves at fanfest? Yeah no. **** that guy.

He told another human being to take their own life. That overshadows anything he might have done for a video game's community. To distill this down to its purest form: his in game actions might have been great, but his real life actions damned him.

There was an insurmountable amount of alcohol involved in that situation. There's a reason people don't drink and do the alliance panel anymore. (And as soon as Mittens was sober, he was extremely, extremely apologetic, and voluntarily stepped down.)

Stop having an emotional reaction to a logical situation.

Hahaha, comparing me to Appia - that in itself is hilarious.

No. A candidate can -absolutely- get the community involved in something while still being antagonistic toward them (see Jita riots); you wouldn't even know who I was if I -WASN'T- antagonistic toward you because infamy has a way of settling in with people a hell of a lot more than playing Barney. We're not here to love each other, we're here to play the game (which I'll remind is largely brutal in it's theme as it is) and if forum behavior stop you from voting someone in that actually does deserve it, based on their merit, you deserve an awful experience because your vote was wasted.

Remember that the representatives -ARE THERE TO FIX THE GAME-, not your behavior, their behavior, or whether or not you like them. This game comes first, not your personal feelings. If you can't handle it, don't talk to the person - hide their posts, block them on Dust 514, and run yourself. Play nice with everyone, see how far it gets you.

A person can absolutely be antagonistic and still remain on point with the community's interests and of course, the community's interests are often not -YOUR- interests. Even still, a Representative has to know when the community is being ******** and know how to say no. The community is not always right, much in the same way the customer is not always right. In the end the only thing that matters is what goes on in that meeting room with CCP, and what goes on in that Skype channel. They don't have to be friendly - they have to be objective.

I found the video. He doesn't seem to be slurring his words very much Besides, what is the saying, "A drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts".

Glad he stepped down voluntarily though. That shows some basic respect for his position on some level.

Rattati and Team are here to fix the game; CPM are here to function as liaison between us and them. Some of us have good ideas but bad interpersonal skills and/or problems with temper, ego, etc. Those people make for sub-optimal liaisons, and those people would serve the community far better as subject matter experts than CPMs.

Not everyone slurs their words when they're drunk. He literally didn't know what he said until he watched the video on YouTube after he got back from Iceland.

He got black out drunk and didn't slur his words? I'm going to call bullshit on that.

You got this -ALL- wrong. If CCP is here to fix the game and the CPM doesn't call them out on their BS then we'll just have another incident with Uprising 1.0 - 1.8.

My Grandad can get flat out drunk and the only thing that changes is him speaking loudly.

If we wanted a repeat of Early Uprising, we'd get there fastest by putting you, Sgt Kirk and rest of the Team Gallente in charge.

[i]Go Gallente MedFrames!
Go Gallente Fine Rifles![/i

CCP has data to guide them. They aren't blind without CPM, and they'd be better advised by a CPM who are open-minded and in touch with the Community than a panel full of know-it-alls peddling their personal agendas.

It's cool bro, your Granddad could have been a firefighter who saved hundreds of lives but the one drunken act means that none of that matters. Don't you know? Never forget, never forgive, that whole mantra. You're not allowed to make mistakes or have flaws BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PROPER FIREFIGHTER MATERIAL

Or whatever people think.

Because sincere public apologies, resignation of senior positions, and the forfeiture of all in-game assets to the victim are clearly not enough to prove a person's shame and they should all be hung from the trees at the first slight.

...because you can't improve your argument.

Imaginary spaceship council member =/= real life firefighter. More leeway can be given to someone who actually does something valuable with their life. Geez, you're getting pretty emotional here. Chill.

I am hearing from Soraya that he stepped down. That's good. He did the right thing and we should give him credit for that much at least. He ****** up and, like an adult, accepted the consequences for his actions.