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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10030	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:47:00 - [1] - Quote Okay, real talk, what is going on here? Why are FW SKINs the same price as an APEX? It's a paint job, for chrissakes. Let's put this into perspective, shall we? Depending on who your favorite faction is, we are talking about weeks of grinding for the ability to turn your dropsuit a different color. First AUR SKINs are $20 and now this. Some more cost analysis for you... if you want to run a SKIN on every size dropsuit of your favorite race: 30mil ISK + 300k LP Even for Minmatar FW, that's a good bit of grinding. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 1104	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:50:00 - [2] - Quote My cat headbutted a piano last night by sprinting into it, even he knows that pricing is bonkers Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4647	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:51:00 - [3] - Quote Wasn't this expected? Shaman's Shack - A place to trade Training to be a packed RE master launcher
cray cray FISH Caught Me With My Pants Down 54	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:53:00 - [4] - Quote FFS i bought a state apex (my 2nd) 4 days ago, why didn't i save that 100k lp... .#Stormtrooper4life Team BD's Resident Fish
Jack Boost Zarena Family 771	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:55:00 - [5] - Quote Most of BPO will be converted to SKYNS :) Now tell me is 100K LP + 10kk ISK ok? Seams legit. Not much time left...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10036	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:56:00 - [6] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Wasn't this expected? The AUR SKINs being $10 a piece should have tipped us off at how disconnected CCP is from cost vs. benefit ratios. I genuinely hoped the FW SKINs were going to be attainable though; 50k LP or so. Perhaps 25k LP + 10mil ISK. cray cray FISH wrote: FFS i bought a state apex (my 2nd) 4 days ago, why didn't i save that 100k lp... There isn't really much reason to buy the FW SKINs so long as an APEX dropsuit is the same price, to be honest. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22331	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:01:00 - [7] - Quote it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16628	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:02:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Impossible in my case. Nobody runs Factional during my waking hours >_> "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 1108	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:02:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Sure, but having it the same as an APEX suit is pretty silly. Bare in mind that 99% of people wont see the skin of a suit midmatch, this is only for basic customisation for the player and thats it Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
cray cray FISH Caught Me With My Pants Down 54	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:03:00 - [10] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: shaman oga wrote: Wasn't this expected? The AUR SKINs being $10 a piece should have tipped us off at how disconnected CCP is from cost vs. benefit ratios. I genuinely hoped the FW SKINs were going to be attainable though; 50k LP or so. Perhaps 25k LP + 10mil ISK. cray cray FISH wrote: FFS i bought a state apex (my 2nd) 4 days ago, why didn't i save that 100k lp... There isn't really much reason to buy the FW SKINs so long as an APEX dropsuit is the same price, to be honest. Yeah you're probably right, the apex will be more useful, because it isn't the calmando... .#Stormtrooper4life Team BD's Resident Fish

ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1759	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:03:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed If it was a 'master' print that could fit all size suits, maybe. Hell, the Light only effects basic and Scout, kind of crazy.. I looked forward to getting one, not anymore though, I'll buy another LP suit for that cost.. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10042	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:04:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: It was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Get an informal poll from players. The majority will recommend something between 25k - 50k LP + 0mil - 5mil ISK. Please, I encourage you to do so. Whoever told you it was okay to make the FW SKINs cost this much needs their head checked. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22331	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:04:00 - [13] - Quote also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22331	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:04:00 - [14] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Sure, but having it the same as an APEX suit is pretty silly. Bare in mind that 99% of people wont see the skin of a suit midmatch, this is only for basic customisation for the player and thats it it's really up to you, you can maybe trade it later for isk from someone who worked for it "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10042	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:05:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16628	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:06:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first Actually you said that earlier, but I'm going to pretend like you blew my mind. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Evan Gotabor Prima Gallicus 177	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:07:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed I got barely 2000LP (lvl8) for winning fights on behalf of my beloved Gallente federation. Currently, that means I need to win 50 fights for the gallente federation. And it's not like FW was popular. After all, there is no domination in FW... Prima Gallicus diplomat New Eden France, actualités Dust Eve et Valkyrie en français
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 6108	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:08:00 - [18] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? The coalition of the willing is difficult to muster at times, but maybe you can rouse the hearts of a few for the glory of dem pixels! Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10046	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:11:00 - [19] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: The coalition of the willing is difficult to muster at times, but maybe you can rouse the hearts of a few for the glory of dem pixels! At this point we are forced to grind it out. I hate that we are no longer fighting mercenaries, but CCP for the ability enjoy new content added to Dust 514. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 300	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:15:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed QFT. I haven't even earned my imperial skin yet but when I do I'll be glad it's not overly common. At least requires a commitment to a faction to earn one. I'm glad some of the coolest content can't be bought, too.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10048	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:17:00 - [21] - Quote Sardonk Eternia wrote: QFT. I haven't even earned my imperial skin yet but when I do I'll be glad it's not overly common. At least requires a commitment to a faction to earn one. I'm glad some of the coolest content can't be bought, too. It would have been better to implement a minimum Standing level to fit the FW SKINs. That would have denoted commitment without causing FW SKINs to cost this much. I am glad that the FW SKINs are not available for aurum though. That is a good thing. Unfortunately, in order to grind for them FW boosters are required so, in effect, they still require aurum. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1759	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:18:00 - [22] - Quote Sardonk Eternia wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed QFT. I haven't even earned my imperial skin yet but when I do I'll be glad it's not overly common. At least requires a commitment to a faction to earn one. I'm glad some of the coolest content can't be bought, too. When you wear that very particular suit, yes, it will be impressive. Problem is I switch between multiple size and race of suits... Picking one is impossible, and unless I want to grind forever and a day, it just seems fruitless to not get another LP suit.. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2752	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:18:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed I also agree. But when thinking about it, i agree because APEX-style suits are so damaging to the game, allowing players to put significant force ad infinitum onto the field without running much of an ISK risk. Personally i'd rather see them priced at $100. We know from past experience that peeps will run even STD BPOs to avoid/ensure ISK loss/profit. Expanding on better-than-standard BPO dropsuits and adding fitting flexibility(CPU/PG differences notwithstanding) takes players out of Dust's risk-vs-reward ecology. Dust is going to pay a price in immersion for these APEX dropsuits, New Eden is going to be pushed a little farther away from us. What is it CCP gains from APEX? What is it Dust gains from APEX? What is it New Eden gains from APEX? Personally, i'll run ISK dropsuits. Risk vs. reward is what makes Dust different. Looks to me like CCP wants to take the brutal edge off that equation. That's a loss of courage and a lack of faith in what Dust was intended to be. You guys are in danger of re-marketing this unique product all the way to uninteresting. Edit: Apologies, wrong thread/topic, but i'll leave it here anyway. Visual customization is cool and i'm totally neutral on pricing. The above comment was sparked by the APEX model being forced on the game. PSN: RationalSpark
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9796	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:21:00 - [24] - Quote I love the pricing, but maybe that's because I assumed this would be the case and already had over 300k LP in the bank. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 300	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:24:00 - [25] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed I also agree. But when thinking about it, i agree because APEX-style suits are so damaging to the game, allowing players to put significant force ad infinitum onto the field without running much of an ISK risk. Personally i'd rather see them priced at $100. We know from past experience that peeps will run even STD BPOs to avoid/ensure ISK loss/profit. Expanding on better-than-standard BPO dropsuits and adding fitting flexibility(CPU/PG differences notwithstanding) takes players out of Dust's risk-vs-reward ecology. Dust is going to pay a price in immersion for these APEX dropsuits, New Eden is going to be pushed a little farther away from us. What is it CCP gains from APEX? What is it Dust gains from APEX? What is it New Eden gains from APEX? Personally, i'll run ISK dropsuits. Risk vs. reward is what makes Dust different. Looks to me like CCP wants to take the brutal edge off that equation. That's a loss of courage and a lack of faith in what Dust was intended to be. You guys are in danger of re-marketing this unique product all the way to uninteresting. I think apex suits are ok but the customization is a slippery slope. It's cool but I think they need to keep a close eye on them. Also would love some comment on how apex suits fit with advanced or proto weapons contribute to isk payout and salvage.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10048	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:25:00 - [26] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I love the pricing, but maybe that's because I assumed this would be the case and already had over 300k LP in the bank. This doesn't sting nearly as much to you since you have been grinding Amarr FW for months before today. Imagine if you had less than 5k Amarr LP, like many players. Put yourself in their boots. 100k Amarr LP is a long, hard road for a SKIN. There are prices that would have preserved the rarity of the SKINs while not causing near-psychotic-breaks and self harm. : Which is, let's face it, just a paintjob. It's not anything wondrous or amazing. Just a cool color for your merc's dropsuit. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 568	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:25:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Even earning 50k LP feels pretty hard these days. 100k just is.. well a lot.
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4528	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:28:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Half as hard would have been fine... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1373	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:29:00 - [29] - Quote It would take me at least few busy weeks if i would try to grind 100k lp. That much time for a skin is silly. Caldari Loyalist thecreaturehub fan
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 421	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:29:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Yes but not as much so as a BPO.... BRB, looking for socks PSN: tommygunboy2080 I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives

Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 1110	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:30:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Sure, but having it the same as an APEX suit is pretty silly. Bare in mind that 99% of people wont see the skin of a suit midmatch, this is only for basic customisation for the player and thats it it's really up to you, you can maybe trade it later for isk from someone who worked for it So basically I can pay a tiny fraction of my isk instead of going for faction progression >_> I don't accept that you view buying a skin for isk on the same level that someone spent weeks/months of grinding to be able to purchase edit:what about a compromise, 60k lp + whatever isk, but you cant trade them? Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Clips A'hoy Incorruptibles 252	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:32:00 - [32] - Quote General consesus of pricing (@Rattati) I sometimes fill my bathtub with Jell-o, then I proceed to curl up and pretend I'm a fetus.
deezy dabest 2225	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:35:00 - [33] - Quote I am hoping that some day we will see new skins for faction that are awarded automatically at reaching a certain standing. This would go farther for immersion just because you would really want to grind them up and show them off on the way into battle. These skins should be locked to your character meaning only a properly ranked individual can sport them. I would not even care if they were all just the same design with a different helmet or something.
Dylan Meisinger ROGUE RELICS 14	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:36:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed no offense but that's dumb. Expect a lot of negative feedback mainly from caldari loyalist since their faction has the least amount of wins in faction warfare It takes skill points to run proto , not skill. [up the punx]
DJIPS Affectionate Moon Warmth Gentle Earth 8	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:37:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Thanks. I think FW SKINs will become one of most worthwhile goods at trade. Players can't buy them for aurm, so their worth will rise
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 6116	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:42:00 - [36] - Quote Dylan Meisinger wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed no offense but that's dumb. Expect a lot of negative feedback mainly from caldari loyalist since their faction has the least amount of wins in faction warfare Harden the **** up bro. Faction Warfare numbers eb and flow with who's popular. Find a group to q-sync with or enlist ringers on your squad if you have to. Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP RUST415 210	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:47:00 - [37] - Quote The Price seems to be "high" but is a reward for fight with your facction. the proudly of show your colors to the enemy. Maybe if Rattati low 50K lp and up to 20,000,000 ISK ... could work, because is only a paint job. not bonuses... And if you wanna trade it, could sell it more that 30M -40M. -- LKC -- Tomate Pote --
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10052	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:50:00 - [38] - Quote Aidualc wrote: Maybe if Rattati low 50K lp and up to 20,000,000 ISK ... could work, because is only a paint job. not bonuses... The ISK cost can be increased. I don't really mind that part since it acts as an ISK sink. The LP cost is what really pisses me off. I would accept 50k LP + 20mil ISK, sure. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Foehammerr Dead Man's Game RUST415 184	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:00:00 - [39] - Quote Skins should cost half what they do currently in the LP store and somewhat less for the aurum variants. 50k LP and 5mil isk is more than reasonable. And seriously, 23800 aur for a cosmetic item? First the price is weird on them so I can't even buy more than one with a $20 PSN card. I have aurum I can't even spend on a second skin because of that. Second, I don't know you know about this ratatti, but when CCP tried this in eve, monocle gate and Burn Jita happened. *De Opresso Liber* Beta Vet since 2/5/2013
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9609	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:01:00 - [40] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Bare in mind that 99% of people wont see the skin of a suit midmatch, this is only for basic customisation for the player and thats it I disagree with this. The Thukker MinScout SKIN I want stands out like a sore thumb. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)

Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 1112	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:06:00 - [41] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Bare in mind that 99% of people wont see the skin of a suit midmatch, this is only for basic customisation for the player and thats it I disagree with this. The Thukker MinScout SKIN I want stands out like a sore thumb. and for every one skin you did see, there is probably 10 more that you didnt see that were right infront of you Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 1683	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:11:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Sure, but having it the same as an APEX suit is pretty silly. Bare in mind that 99% of people wont see the skin of a suit midmatch, this is only for basic customisation for the player and thats it it's really up to you, you can maybe trade it later for isk from someone who worked for it It's too bad that the caldari ones will be almost impossible to get then. Closed beta vet. Master troll. No lifer. /Moon'er. /sun tolerator and visitor. Praise the Moon \o/
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1011	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:13:00 - [43] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first Is it allready in FW or about to be released? And if thats the case please tell me when we get ISK for it. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6354	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:21:00 - [44] - Quote Just make the requirements be lvl 10 in rank and 50k lp 5million isk. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
deezy dabest 2231	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:23:00 - [45] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Just make the requirements be lvl 10 in rank and 50k lp 5million isk. That may be going a touch high but your mind is in the right place IMO.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10064	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:24:00 - [46] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Just make the requirements be lvl 10 in rank and 50k lp 5million isk. 10 is way too high. I like the idea I saw someone post: three tiers of SKIN. Standing level 3, 6, and 9 or something like that. Each one looks a bit cooler. They all cost similar amounts of ISK/LP, but they have Standing fitting requirements. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1011	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:24:00 - [47] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Just make the requirements be lvl 10 in rank and 50k lp 5million isk. Nah, nah, nah. If i can i would buy them off other players and dont care about the silly ranking towards a faction. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
deezy dabest 2231	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:28:00 - [48] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Just make the requirements be lvl 10 in rank and 50k lp 5million isk. Nah, nah, nah. If i can i would buy them off other players and dont care about the silly ranking towards a faction. Hence the reason these skins will do almost nothing for FW after a week or so. I am glad someone pointed it out so quickly.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 784	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:33:00 - [49] - Quote Next you just need to add glow effects to all of the non-SKINed suits...a radiant sphere that you can see before the player comes around the corner, that way SKINs will be essential for competitive play. Profit. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy 368	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:39:00 - [50] - Quote The amount should be lowered for a Skin. Both ISK/LP. Too much time needed to grind for a Skin. *I'm ScReWeD uP* New To Dust? Sign Up

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10067	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:41:00 - [51] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: The amount should be lowered for a Skin. Both ISK/LP. Too much time needed to grind for a Skin. Did you make sure you cast your vote here: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/ ? @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy 368	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:43:00 - [52] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: The amount should be lowered for a Skin. Both ISK/LP. Too much time needed to grind for a Skin. Did you make sure you cast your vote here: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/ ? Yes Sir I did. o7 Riley *I'm ScReWeD uP* New To Dust? Sign Up
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 464	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:55:00 - [53] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Well, that's not surprising that you want what majority wants. Why it is commonly requested - I think it's because really yong people(I think we have them more here then 25y+) have tendency to justify time they spend on game with excuse like 'it was so hard to accomplish x, so all this time was worth it, I have something epic now and I can be proud of it', it's naive. To all: If you are person that consider in-game price of those SKIN's as expensive, just instead of griding it for 1-2 or 8 days go to job, earn 1kGé¼, buy 12 plex'es for Gé¼210, transfer ISK from them to Dust, and when time come buy them for fraction of the LP market price . In the most basic form SKIN's are just e-peen. Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8671	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:00:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed I would have made them require loyalty rank 8-10. You know, actual faction loyalty That people want to see more of? There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10069	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:02:00 - [55] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I would have made them require loyalty rank 8-10. You know, actual faction loyalty That people want to see more of? By the time you accumulated enough victories in Amarr or Caldari FW to reach Standing level 8 - 10 you would have earned far more than 300k LP. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Dylan Meisinger ROGUE RELICS 15	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:16:00 - [56] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Dylan Meisinger wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed no offense but that's dumb. Expect a lot of negative feedback mainly from caldari loyalist since their faction has the least amount of wins in faction warfare Harden the **** up bro. Faction Warfare numbers eb and flow with who's popular. Find a group to q-sync with or enlist ringers on your squad if you have to. calm down , dude its a video game . A lot of people playing this game seem to forget that. & coming from someone who probably runs gfw 84% your response doesn't surprise me. I think the rare but not out of reach 50 or 60 k lp & 5mil isk sounds fair to me p.s i'm not some kind of conformist poser I'm loyal to what I stick to It takes skill points to run proto , not skill. [up the punx]
Al the destroyer 0uter.Heaven Back and Forth 339	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:47:00 - [57] - Quote I thought it would cost 8 mil isk and 80k LP. I didn't think skins would be as much as Apex suits. I'll probably grind for 1 but that will be about it. I do like the looks though
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7480	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:53:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Yes, because they're worth something that's actually good instead of purely cosmetic. I would've been fine with half the price, but 100k? Lol (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7480	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:55:00 - [59] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed I would have made them require loyalty rank 8-10. You know, actual faction loyalty That people want to see more of? This, or at least giving a certain discount per level of loyalty to the point of where it's almost free if you're rank 10,because let's face it, those guys need something for their dedication. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10072	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:57:00 - [60] - Quote Joel II X wrote: This, or at least giving a certain discount per level of loyalty to the point of where it's almost free if you're rank 10, because let's face it, those guys need something for their dedication. A price determined by Standing would be interesting. The SKIN starts at 100k LP and 10mil ISK, then decreases by 10% per Standing rank down to free at Standing level 10. I like that. It would be an incentive to win FW matches instead of AFK for LP. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1728	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:16:00 - [61] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Wasn't this expected? ^ Rattati replied to a pricing speculation post I made a few days ago, confirming my suspicions. BPO Trade Stall
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10072	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:27:00 - [62] - Quote Quick update on the poll: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/r 41 votes 38 Reduce the cost 03 Price is fine 00 Increase the cost @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP RUST415 210	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:32:00 - [63] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Quick update on the poll: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/r 41 votes 38 Reduce the cost 03 Price is fine 00 Increase the cost Make a spreadsheet, Rattati loves the smell of a spreadsheet in the morning. -- LKC -- Tomate Pote --
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10074	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:33:00 - [64] - Quote Aidualc wrote: Make a spreadsheet, Rattati loves the smell of a spreadsheet in the morning. I will, but I want the poll to be open for at least 24 hours first. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 869	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:05:00 - [65] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Joel II X wrote: This, or at least giving a certain discount per level of loyalty to the point of where it's almost free if you're rank 10, because let's face it, those guys need something for their dedication. A price determined by Standing would be interesting. The SKIN starts at 100k LP and 10mil ISK, then decreases by 10% per Standing rank down to free at Standing level 10. I like that. It would be an incentive to win FW matches instead of AFK for LP. I like this idea ^ Sadly I am far off from both goals... Back to grinding Caldari FW
hails8n DEATH BY DESTRUCTION 145	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:10:00 - [66] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed In BF4 I can earn 5 camos in a day, but in dust its a week of hard grinding for 1, and 1 does not fit all. This games almost dead can't you just for once make a positive, easy to gain feature/item. . F*ck me. Petition to ban the trainyard map.
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2941	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:12:00 - [67] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Bare in mind that 99% of people wont see the skin of a suit midmatch, this is only for basic customisation for the player and thats it I disagree with this. The Thukker MinScout SKIN I want stands out like a sore thumb. Doesn't ever show in the warbarge and only half the time in Merc Quarters though. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3099	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:21:00 - [68] - Quote While I agree that the prices of skins in general are probably too high. In the case of FW LP skins, you're buying a trophy. It's to show off to other players how committed you are to your faction. It gives no other bonus other than demonstrating your ability to grind for your faction. It reminds me of epic weapons in Guild Wars 2, which literally are just skins that look cool and people spend insane hours working on those. The cheaper you make skins, the less special you get to feel when you wear it. I don't really care how much LP they cost, but like I said, the cheaper they are, the more you'll see, and the less of a "trophy" they are. Best PvE idea ever!
hails8n DEATH BY DESTRUCTION 145	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:24:00 - [69] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: While I agree that the prices of skins in general are probably too high. In the case of FW LP skins, you're buying a trophy. It's to show off to other players how committed you are to your faction. It gives no other bonus other than demonstrating your ability to grind for your faction. It reminds me of epic weapons in Guild Wars 2, which literally are just skins that look cool and people spend insane hours working on those. The cheaper you make skins, the less special you get to feel when you wear it. I don't really care how much LP they cost, but like I said, the cheaper they are, the more you'll see, and the less of a "trophy" they are. Then go buy an amarr medium skin, you'll look cool. Petition to ban the trainyard map.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10079	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:27:00 - [70] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: The cheaper you make skins, the less special you get to feel when you wear it. It would still be a challenge to earn 50k LP and 5mil ISK, making FW SKINs a rarer sight that one of the AUR SKINs. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3099	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:36:00 - [71] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Vell0cet wrote: The cheaper you make skins, the less special you get to feel when you wear it. It would still be a challenge to earn 50k LP and 5mil ISK, making FW SKINs a rarer sight that one of the AUR SKINs. Like I said, I don't really care what they cost. I'm not into the skin thing personally (though I'm glad they added them for those who are). If we took the "cheapening the LP cost" to it's extreme what if they cost 100LP each? Most people wouldn't like that either because they'd be everywhere. It's a scale, the higher the LP cost the more special you get to feel by wearing it, the lower the less special. I'm just saying the value of a skin as a trophy is that it's hard to get. 50k LP + 5mil might very well be appropriate. Best PvE idea ever!
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3098	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:39:00 - [72] - Quote Entirely content with the cost of skins and apex suits. These are not handouts, nor are they meant to be something that you derp around for 10 matches to get. If you want your skins and apex suits, you should be working for them.... or as I've seen some people do, be prepared to spend a few hundred matches afking through faction warfare. Ripley Riley wrote: Vell0cet wrote: The cheaper you make skins, the less special you get to feel when you wear it. It would still be a challenge to earn 50k LP and 5mil ISK, making FW SKINs a rarer sight that one of the AUR SKINs. No, it isn't. I get 1600 a win without any boosters for caldari. That's a grand total of 31 wins per skin and I can easily get 10-15 wins IN A DAY if I'm going hard at it. That would make it take less than a week for me to have all the caldari FW skins. 100k per skin is entirely fine. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10079	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:44:00 - [73] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: If you want your skins and apex suits, you should be working for them.... or as I've seen some people do, be prepared to spend a few hundred matches afking through faction warfare. With the 100k LP pricetag being this high you will see more grind fatigue than you would with 50k LP cost, I assure you. AFK'ing continue to be a problem, possibly even worse than before. Also: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/ vote if you don't mind MINA Longstrike wrote: No, it isn't. I get 1600 a win without any boosters for caldari. That's a grand total of 31 wins per skin and I can easily get 10-15 wins IN A DAY if I'm going hard at it. That would make it take less than a week for me to have all the caldari FW skins. And that's great! I'm proud of you. Please realize that your own experiences with FW are a great deal different that your peers though. Amarr and Caldari FW are typically a massive shitshow. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels 213	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:47:00 - [74] - Quote great observation skills, did you get them to lvl 3 yet? Skins earned in battle and blood. 30 million isk, 300,000LP? challenge excepted The chat channel 'player trade' is open for adding contacts and placing item advertisements in game.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10079	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:52:00 - [75] - Quote The Lion ElJonson wrote: great observation skills, did you get them to lvl 3 yet? They are at least as high as your trolling skills, m8 If you are running Gallente or Minmatar then 300k LP isn't much of a hurdle since the greatest challenges Gal/Min FW has to face are long wait times and figuring out where to spend their LP @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3098	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:02:00 - [76] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: If you want your skins and apex suits, you should be working for them.... or as I've seen some people do, be prepared to spend a few hundred matches afking through faction warfare. With the 100k LP pricetag being this high you will see more grind fatigue than you would with 50k LP cost, I assure you. AFK'ing continue to be a problem, possibly even worse than before. Also: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/ vote if you don't mind MINA Longstrike wrote: No, it isn't. I get 1600 a win without any boosters for caldari. That's a grand total of 31 wins per skin and I can easily get 10-15 wins IN A DAY if I'm going hard at it. That would make it take less than a week for me to have all the caldari FW skins. And that's great! I'm proud of you. Please realize that your own experiences with FW are a great deal different that your peers though. Amarr and Caldari FW are typically a massive shitshow. Yes, amarr and caldari are usually a shitshow and I'm aware that my results are not 'typical. That's got a lot more to do with the nature of faction warfare than anything else. I do feel however, that skins being priced as highly as they are is a good thing as it gives a motivation to play faction warfare even if there isn't necessarily something like an apex suit that you want. Most people will agree that the price of FW weapons / equipment is absolutely borked and not worth the time, This however provides incentive to people who aren't Omni-soldiers that want all the things. I am incredibly glad that it will take even someone like me at least a few weeks to get all the LP skins for my primary faction (Not to mention my alt) rather than just having it be a meaningless 'achievement' that people can check off after a week or two. Yes, it's a '**** progression treadmill'... only if you don't enjoy the slog. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Knightshade Belladonna Kentucky Fried Clones 1506	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:05:00 - [77] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: If you want your skins and apex suits, you should be working for them.... or as I've seen some people do, be prepared to spend a few hundred matches afking through faction warfare. With the 100k LP pricetag being this high you will see more grind fatigue than you would with 50k LP cost, I assure you. AFK'ing continue to be a problem, possibly even worse than before. Also: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/ vote if you don't mind MINA Longstrike wrote: No, it isn't. I get 1600 a win without any boosters for caldari. That's a grand total of 31 wins per skin and I can easily get 10-15 wins IN A DAY if I'm going hard at it. That would make it take less than a week for me to have all the caldari FW skins. And that's great! I'm proud of you. Please realize that your own experiences with FW are a great deal different that your peers though. Amarr and Caldari FW are typically a massive shitshow. Yes, amarr and caldari are usually a shitshow and I'm aware that my results are not 'typical. That's got a lot more to do with the nature of faction warfare than anything else. I do feel however, that skins being priced as highly as they are is a good thing as it gives a motivation to play faction warfare even if there isn't necessarily something like an apex suit that you want. Most people will agree that the price of FW weapons / equipment is absolutely borked and not worth the time, This however provides incentive to people who aren't Omni-soldiers that want all the things. I am incredibly glad that it will take even someone like me at least a few weeks to get all the LP skins for my primary faction (Not to mention my alt) rather than just having it be a meaningless 'achievement' that people can check off after a week or two. Yes, it's a '****** progression treadmill'... only if you don't enjoy the slog. I fail to see how these skins will make people suddenly play faction warfare more, as if they are more desirable than apex..which anyone wanting has already been doing.
Dropship One DROPSHIP ONE OPERATIONS 8	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:08:00 - [78] - Quote Where can I find images of the skins beside the DEV BLOG from April 27th? Those images are terrible.
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 288	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:08:00 - [79] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first I really like the Idea of ISK in FW, hopefully this will encourage EU players to actually play the game mode because I can never find a FW match till after 3AM. (I live in Ireland BTW) my poor sleeping pattern thanks you Rattati. n++pâçGòÉS+Ç 28+ Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10080	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:12:00 - [80] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Yes, it's a '****** progression treadmill'... only if you don't enjoy the slog. Players who are interested in earning the SKINs will play a handful of matches like they are srsbiz. If they are Amarr or Caldari, getting stomped will wear on them. Eventually grind fatigue sets in. If they still want the SKIN they will semi-AFK, halfass around the match. Hacking unattended objectives or dropping deployable equipment here and there for WPs. Maybe blow up red turrets for their daily missions. The high price tag on FW SKINs could end up being more of a detriment to FW attendance... @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3100	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:13:00 - [81] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: I fail to see how these skins will make people suddenly play faction warfare more, as if they are more desirable than apex..which anyone wanting has already been doing. * the soon to be isk in FW might grab a few more people though A sense of progression, accomplishment or even something to work towards as a goal can provide a reason for doing something. I agree that isk coming back will also help (if it's a non-idiotic amount). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3493	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:19:00 - [82] - Quote I figured they would be about the same cost as an Loyalty Apex suit. That's why I went ahead and bought another apex last week. Honestly, I dont even like the look of any of the Main faction skins anyway. No loss. (Now that blood raiders on the other hand....) Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10086	Posted - 2015.05.12 19:38:00 - [83] - Quote Bump. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Smart Deploy 382	Posted - 2015.05.12 19:40:00 - [84] - Quote Put your vote in on the first post *I'm ScReWeD uP* New To Dust? Sign Up
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1148	Posted - 2015.05.12 20:19:00 - [85] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? not for me tho. Once you have the best players in the game as contacts i can get over 30k LP or 50k LP a day with boosters if the ball keeps going. But In reality ive never really cared about FW and probably never will. AE
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10087	Posted - 2015.05.12 20:23:00 - [86] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: not for me tho. Once you have the best players in the game as contacts i can get over 30k LP or 50k LP a day with boosters if the ball keeps going. But In reality ive never really cared about FW and probably never will. Well, you've got it made then, homie The rest of us window lickers will just have to slog through months of getting our asses handed to us in Amarr/Caldari FW. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3942	Posted - 2015.05.12 20:30:00 - [87] - Quote Yey! I have to grind a few months to get a Caldari M SKIN... Not only THAT, I can get at most 3 hours a week in game. To get one game of CFW, it would take let's say 5 minutes que time, with each battle lasting 15 minutes. What is that, 6 battles a week? Let's assume I win all the battles (for real? Cal?), at most I get ~7-8,000 LP. It could take 12 weeks of grinding assuming I get a battle within 5 minutes of queue and win all of them. SMH... Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18982	Posted - 2015.05.12 21:05:00 - [88] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Impossible in my case. Nobody runs Factional during my waking hours >_> I cannot find FW games either during my evening hours. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 1126	Posted - 2015.05.13 09:04:00 - [89] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: best players in the game as contacts Quote: Ancient Exiles HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA GOOD ONE Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 134	Posted - 2015.05.13 09:55:00 - [90] - Quote Give to us ISK on FW battles, give to us FW from 18 GMT.... ... and we will play FW ;) We still get more ISK for proto fits from play domi/ambush etc. We have to wait about 15-20 minutes to play ONE FW battle, in this time we can play two public battles and earn more ISK.... Good day! dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 60 kk SP and growing

General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 248	Posted - 2015.05.13 10:09:00 - [91] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? That's because Evil doesnt win :P Anyways, to the OP and Ratatti, SKINS are too much if they are anywhere near the price of APEX Dropsuits. I'd go utilitarian by buying an APEX before I get something that just makes you "look cool." I didn't really pay attention to the price of SKINS, but if its close to, or worse, exactly the same price as, an APEX, its no wonder I've never seen a SKIN from the LP Market. Players did want aesthetics for their suit, but we aren't willing to pay through the nose for it. TL;DR: In the battle of Aesthetic vs. Utilitarian: Aesthetics < Utilitarian, so the prices should show that. Gallente-Fu Grand Master Gallente Federation Patriot
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10095	Posted - 2015.05.13 12:48:00 - [92] - Quote Ladies and gentlemen, The poll now sits at: 58 of 65 votes to reduce the ISK/LP cost of FW SKINs https://strawpoll.me/4341661/r @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1018	Posted - 2015.05.13 13:12:00 - [93] - Quote Just think about it on the flipside of things. Since apex suits became costumisable the request for them is extremely high and once we can trade BPO's i highly doubt it that the players will pay the same amount of ISK for a skin as if they would for a apex suit. Suits and weapons help you to win matches skins on the other hand dont cause of the pure cosmetic purpose. I can allready predict the ISK worth ranking from BPO's: 1. APEX SUITS 2. BPO WEAPONS 3. BPO MODULES 4. BPO EQUIPMENT 5. STD BPO SUITS 6. SKINS You have to keep in mind that people will compare those skins to their AUR counterparts. And since the AUR skins are much cheaper then the apex suits its obvious that people wont pay nearly as much for them. It all comes down aswell on the 3 factors that determine the ISK trade pricetag: 1. is it usefull? 2. would i use it frequently? 3. how much would it cost for AUR? Only because a item is rather hard to obtain doesnt mean that people want it. A reasonable pricetag would be 50k LP due to the rather low activity in FW. PLus it would somewhat match the price for AUR skins. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 791	Posted - 2015.05.13 15:20:00 - [94] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Just think about it on the flipside of things. 3. how much would it cost for AUR? I agree. I might be part of the problem. Compared to 100k LP, 23k AUR all of the sudden sounded like a bargain. I'll spend my Caldari LP on a logi, and cover it with gold darkness... http://i.imgur.com/6gB8fFF.jpg Yes, the SKIN is covered in gold darkness, somehow, and I was pleasantly surprised. I wasn't going to spend money, but I'm glad I did. I'm going to be upset if they tweak my cosmetics after I paid for cosmetics specifically, but until then I'll be hiding in the shadows. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 306	Posted - 2015.05.13 20:41:00 - [95] - Quote Poll won't let me vote. I'm happy with the price.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1148	Posted - 2015.05.13 21:31:00 - [96] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: best players in the game as contacts Quote: Ancient Exiles HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA GOOD ONE yeah having guys that won the NA prime league tournament really helps. Also nice fake quotation i dont talk like that. AE
Templar XIII 164	Posted - 2015.05.13 21:41:00 - [97] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Absolutely agree. Will have to grind a lot for Amarr SKINs since Iam EU timezone, and Amarr FW is hard to get here, harder to win, but all worth it. People complaining on not getting it for 50k LP and less are simply lazy and impatient. They forget, that more SKINs will be released they can purchase for AUR and such. All people want is have it all, have it now, have it for dirt cheap as possible. But all this does is making it all worthless...keep the pricing as it is, let them grind it out or get different SKINs later altogether or purchase them from others once they can be traded.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19005	Posted - 2015.05.13 21:43:00 - [98] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I love the pricing, but maybe that's because I assumed this would be the case and already had over 300k LP in the bank. This doesn't sting nearly as much to you since you have been grinding Amarr FW for months before today. Imagine if you had less than 5k Amarr LP, like many players. Put yourself in their boots. 100k Amarr LP is a long, hard road for a SKIN. There are prices that would have preserved the rarity of the SKINs while not causing near-psychotic-breaks and self harm. : Which is, let's face it, just a paintjob. It's not anything wondrous or amazing. Just a cool color for your merc's dropsuit. Satisfying the Empress requires a long and hard job which is why Amarrians, like myself, of superior stamina are required. That's how I earned my 200,000+ LP, as a consort. I've made the recent realisation that the second best thing about being Amarrian is all the innuendo you can casually drop into conversation. Also do consider Riley that Aero and I were running AFW for months before LP even offered LP and were were significantly more active then than we are able to be now. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
Templar XIII 164	Posted - 2015.05.13 21:49:00 - [99] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Just think about it on the flipside of things. 3. how much would it cost for AUR? I agree. I might be part of the problem. Compared to 100k LP, 23k AUR all of the sudden sounded like a bargain. I'll spend my Caldari LP on a logi, and cover it with gold darkness... http://i.imgur.com/6gB8fFF.jpg Yes, the SKIN is covered in gold darkness, somehow, and I was pleasantly surprised. I wasn't going to spend money, but I'm glad I did. I'm going to be upset if they tweak my cosmetics after I paid for cosmetics specifically, but until then I'll be hiding in the shadows. Damn that golden suit looks neat, no...better than neat...it looks...dangerous.
Mr.Pepe Le Pew Art.of.Death 110	Posted - 2015.05.13 22:27:00 - [100] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? Not nearly as long as it takes to get 10k LP Gallente. Cue times are ridiculous and you can't even grind out matches before 5pm CST. so you have a small window of time in which you can actually run any faction. The price for skins are outrageous. CEO / Art.of.Death

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8722	Posted - 2015.05.13 23:12:00 - [101] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Impossible in my case. Nobody runs Factional during my waking hours >_> I cannot find FW games either during my evening hours. same There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
CHET CHEWS Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 86	Posted - 2015.05.13 23:22:00 - [102] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Well i honestly disagree, they are skins as said before i think they should cost around 20k, but i know its not going to happen so... why bother FU CHET CHEWS- Sumar load 2014-2015
The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels 216	Posted - 2015.05.14 11:15:00 - [103] - Quote its too cheap. sorry i'm not trolling but it is. an apex at that price fair enough but skins should be like a medal that shows you grinded your back out for that faction and no way do i want to get one or three and see noobs have one too. Will it help FW? already has as far as Caldari's STF and Gallentes LE are concerned. in two nights of organised mentality ive got 50,098 LP for cal state. No boosters, just joining a channel of q-sinc players and following there FC's orders, winner winner chicken dinner, as for isk just save 10 keys and cash in your experimental lab. by the time you have the LP from 5 days of hardcore bopping you should have 10 mill in Officer/experimental gear, if not while FW isnt rolling run pubs in starters. Its easily possible to grab a suit in 5 days of joining a FW channel and listening to the people running the show. What We Need Is Daily Missions that reward isk for FW players, ie complete 5 FW matches for any faction and get 150,000 isk, get X amount of WP or SP in FW earns you 200,000 etc. Factional is building up, its going to be keeping people there thats the problem. The chat channel 'player trade' is open for adding contacts and placing item advertisements in game.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 795	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:25:00 - [104] - Quote If the ISK payouts are fair (equal to Ambush) I'm sure FW will become more popular at all hours. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10159	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:29:00 - [105] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: If the ISK payouts are fair (equal to Ambush) I'm sure FW will become more popular at all hours. More popular? Yes. It will remain a grindfest for SKINs though. I have to ask myself, are SKINs this highly priced to encourage FW booster sales? That seems to be the only reason that makes sense, considering player feedback seems to indicate they want more affordable SKINs but CCP Rattati is ignoring them. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 133	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:30:00 - [106] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Impossible in my case. Nobody runs Factional during my waking hours >_> Trust me, I would, but I can never get any. Optimal FW time is between 14:00 -5UTC and 01:00 -5UTC, from what I've observed. D: I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. RUST415 3290	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:31:00 - [107] - Quote BTW I will be buying the Caldari Light Skin for 50m when we can trade. Carry on. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
cris bleu Carbon 7 145	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:36:00 - [108] - Quote At this price they mean something. They're a medal to be proudly displayed, not just another paint job.
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 133	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:38:00 - [109] - Quote cris bleu wrote: At this price they mean something. They're a medal to be proudly displayed, not just another paint job. That's what they said about APEX suits...yeah...not so much. I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10161	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:41:00 - [110] - Quote cris bleu wrote: At this price they mean something. They're a medal to be proudly displayed, not just another paint job. Unless the coloration is gaudy (see: Quafe or APEX) I rarely, if ever, notice someone is wearing a SKIN. The SKINs are most important to the wearer, as they will actually see the SKIN the most often. As one of those wearers: I could give less than a damn about how many 100's of thousands of LPs it took to earn the FW SKINs, I just want a neat paintjob for my dropsuits. The majority of players want FW SKINs to be more easily attained, Rattati. What are you going to do about that? @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

cris bleu Carbon 7 145	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:53:00 - [111] - Quote Aiwha Bait wrote: cris bleu wrote: At this price they mean something. They're a medal to be proudly displayed, not just another paint job. That's what they said about APEX suits...yeah...not so much. If you mean that Apex suits that can be bought for irl cash make them meaningless, yes, I agree. I'm not missing something am aI? I was hoping these SKINs were lp exclusive
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10161	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:57:00 - [112] - Quote cris bleu wrote: If you mean that Apex suits that can be bought for irl cash make them meaningless, yes, I agree. I'm not missing something am aI? I was hoping these SKINs were lp exclusive And you can triple stack FW boosters to reduce the time to earn a FW SKIN. What's your point? You are still spending aurum either way. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
cris bleu Carbon 7 145	Posted - 2015.05.14 13:03:00 - [113] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: cris bleu wrote: If you mean that Apex suits that can be bought for irl cash make them meaningless, yes, I agree. I'm not missing something am aI? I was hoping these SKINs were lp exclusive And you can triple stack FW boosters to reduce the time to earn a FW SKIN. What's your point? You are still spending aurum either way. Boosters are a separate argument. They exist for SP too yet many mercs would say that their SP score is meaningful.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10162	Posted - 2015.05.14 13:18:00 - [114] - Quote cris bleu wrote: Boosters are a separate argument. They exist for SP too yet many mercs would say that their SP score is meaningful. Who says SP is meaningful? Useful, yes, but meaningful? SP is passively accrued even if you never login to your character. LP is not. You are not comparing apples to apples here. Boosters are absolutely part of the equation. Triple stack FW boosters then AFK in FW matches and still earn 500-ish LP per match. Occasionally your team might earn a win which will increase your Standing and earn you even more LP for that match. Minimal effort. The "It represents hard work! It's a badge of honor!" argument is null. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 135	Posted - 2015.05.14 14:19:00 - [115] - Quote cris bleu wrote: Aiwha Bait wrote: cris bleu wrote: At this price they mean something. They're a medal to be proudly displayed, not just another paint job. That's what they said about APEX suits...yeah...not so much. If you mean that Apex suits that can be bought for irl cash make them meaningless, yes, I agree. I'm not missing something am aI? I was hoping these SKINs were lp exclusive I mean that they told us APEX suits were gonna be like a medal (more or less). I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Michael Epic Horizons' Edge No Context 881	Posted - 2015.05.14 14:39:00 - [116] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? I can get about 10k loyalty pts in 6 matches bro...? 10 days of that and you should have your APEX or SKIN suit. Am I missing something? I don't play FW because it doesn't pay out ISK but I sat down the other day to play GFW and went from like 579 LP to like 30,000 LP in a day. Is it harder in other factions? Michael Epic's "EPIC" Proposal to his girlfriend :D
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10163	Posted - 2015.05.14 14:41:00 - [117] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Am I missing something? I don't play FW because it doesn't pay out ISK but I sat down the other day to play GFW and went from like 579 LP to like 30,000 LP in a day. Is it harder in other factions? Amarr and Caldari FW are queue sync shitshows. Gallente and Minmatar are easier and have more participation from higher tier corps. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
bogeyman m Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 463	Posted - 2015.05.14 15:58:00 - [118] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Just make the requirements be lvl 10 in rank and 50k lp 5million isk. 10 is way too high. I like the idea I saw someone post: three tiers of SKIN. Standing level 3, 6, and 9 or something like that. Each one looks a bit cooler. They all cost similar amounts of ISK/LP, but they have Standing fitting requirements. This^ Professional Logibro and avid AVer -- I support my team for the ISK, but I blow up vehicles for the LOLz.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1153	Posted - 2015.05.14 16:03:00 - [119] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? I can get about 10k loyalty pts in 6 matches bro...? 10 days of that and you should have your APEX or SKIN suit. Am I missing something? I don't play FW because it doesn't pay out ISK but I sat down the other day to play GFW and went from like 579 LP to like 30,000 LP in a day. Is it harder in other factions? gall fw is easy mode. AE
bogeyman m Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 463	Posted - 2015.05.14 16:13:00 - [120] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Just think about it on the flipside of things. Since apex suits became costumisable the request for them is extremely high and once we can trade BPO's i highly doubt it that the players will pay the same amount of ISK for a skin as if they would for a apex suit. Suits and weapons help you to win matches skins on the other hand dont cause of the pure cosmetic purpose. I can allready predict the ISK worth ranking from BPO's: 1. APEX SUITS 2. BPO WEAPONS 3. BPO MODULES 4. BPO EQUIPMENT 5. STD BPO SUITS 6. SKINS You have to keep in mind that people will compare those skins to their AUR counterparts. And since the AUR skins are much cheaper then the apex suits its obvious that people wont pay nearly as much for them. It all comes down aswell on the 3 factors that determine the ISK trade pricetag: 1. is it usefull? 2. would i use it frequently? 3. how much would it cost for AUR? Only because a item is rather hard to obtain doesnt mean that people want it. A reasonable pricetag would be 50k LP due to the rather low activity in FW. PLus it would somewhat match the price for AUR skins. All excellent points. Professional Logibro and avid AVer -- I support my team for the ISK, but I blow up vehicles for the LOLz.

Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4545	Posted - 2015.05.14 21:46:00 - [121] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: Michael Epic wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? I can get about 10k loyalty pts in 6 matches bro...? 10 days of that and you should have your APEX or SKIN suit. Am I missing something? I don't play FW because it doesn't pay out ISK but I sat down the other day to play GFW and went from like 579 LP to like 30,000 LP in a day. Is it harder in other factions? gall fw is easy mode. Except when it's not. I've been in a few today and won 50 percent of them. Half of the wins we got were stomps and the other half were hard fought wins. The half I lost were to Proto stomps. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10178	Posted - 2015.05.15 00:27:00 - [122] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Except when it's not. I've been in a few today and won 50 percent of them. Half of the wins we got were stomps and the other half were hard fought wins. The half I lost were to Proto stomps. I believe I played eight matches today. I won two. Of the two matches I won, one was a stomp* and one was a decent fight where both sides were giving it their all. To make matters worse, when I fight and I lose my Standing doesn't move at all. Even though I kept trying through the stomp the Amarr don't think I'm loyal enough apparently. Not even a +5 Standing "Thanks for not leaving the match". *: It felt weird being on the other side of the stomp. I almost felt bad. Then I remember how badly one of the Min FW queue syncs were (officer weapons and dropsuits, logi trains, core locus spam, etc.) and I didn't feel quite as bad. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Lac Nokomis Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 80	Posted - 2015.05.15 00:41:00 - [123] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Except when it's not. I've been in a few today and won 50 percent of them. Half of the wins we got were stomps and the other half were hard fought wins. The half I lost were to Proto stomps. I believe I played eight matches today. I won two. Of the two matches I won, one was a stomp* and one was a decent fight where both sides were giving it their all. To make matters worse, when I fight and I lose my Standing doesn't move at all. Even though I kept trying through the stomp the Amarr don't think I'm loyal enough apparently. Not even a +5 Standing "Thanks for not leaving the match". *: It felt weird being on the other side of the stomp. I almost felt bad. Then I remember how badly one of the Min FW queue syncs were (officer weapons and dropsuits, logi trains, core locus spam, etc.) and I didn't feel quite as bad. Are you fighting the urge to join a FW Q'ing channel? I'm pretty sure its common knowledge to not go at it alone in FW. But it sounds like you do it anyways? Yeah, broken mechanics, but lets talk solutions instead of the pain, as I think FW players behavior speaks for itself.
Golden Day Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 1750	Posted - 2015.05.15 00:42:00 - [124] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: Michael Epic wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? I can get about 10k loyalty pts in 6 matches bro...? 10 days of that and you should have your APEX or SKIN suit. Am I missing something? I don't play FW because it doesn't pay out ISK but I sat down the other day to play GFW and went from like 579 LP to like 30,000 LP in a day. Is it harder in other factions? gall fw is easy mode. Except when it's not. I've been in a few today and won 50 percent of them. Half of the wins we got were stomps and the other half were hard fought wins. The half I lost were to Proto stomps. Sorry we have been taking some districts back (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Lac Nokomis Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 80	Posted - 2015.05.15 00:51:00 - [125] - Quote After rediscovering my roots and grinding FW for the last week I plead you guys to raise the price. Of both APEX and the skins. Both are way too low IMO. You shouldn't be able to grind FW for a week with boosters and buy 2 Apex suits.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10180	Posted - 2015.05.15 00:53:00 - [126] - Quote Lac Nokomis wrote: Are you fighting the urge to join a FW Q'ing channel? I'm pretty sure its common knowledge to not go at it alone in FW. But it sounds like you do it anyways? Yeah, broken mechanics, but lets talk solutions instead of the pain, as I think FW players behavior speaks for itself. I don't go in alone, I have a squad put together of corpmates. Sometimes it's just one other person, other times I have a full time, but I do not solo queue FW. I know better than that. I hate that queue syncing is the only way to consistently earn victories in FW. That seems like a huge flaw in the gamemode itself. Which makes the idea of saving up 100k LP more infuriating. Also, for those who are just now joining the thread, please cast your vote: https://strawpoll.me/4341661 Is the 100k LP + 10mil ISK price for FW SKINs fair? Should it be decreased? Increased? Let your voice be heard. Lac Nokomis wrote: After rediscovering my roots and grinding FW for the last week I plead you guys to raise the price. Of both APEX and the skins. Both are way too low IMO. You shouldn't be able to grind FW for a week with boosters and buy 2 Apex suits. Hmm... without boosters the price is too high, but with boosters it seems attainable. Good catch Lac. I don't think that is a coincidence. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19029	Posted - 2015.05.15 01:31:00 - [127] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: I hate that queue syncing is the only way to consistently earn victories in FW. That seems like a huge flaw in the gamemode itself. Which makes the idea of saving up 100k LP more infuriating. To some degree I do as well.....but in its current iteration this is just how it is since locality cannot be chosen and FW should be less forgiving than Public Match Making. I mean I can go out plexing in EVE, which is what flips the systems, solo if I want to and can go flying around looking for PvP solo as well. However I cannot and should not ever complain if a small gang of players flying around in the same area drops in on me and blows my ship up. I either should have run from the fight or been in my own squad. However in Dust there is no real way to run and go plexing elsewhere or in a safer, more limited plex, other than leaving the match and trying to re-queue. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10182	Posted - 2015.05.15 12:25:00 - [128] - Quote True Adamance wrote: However in Dust there is no real way to run and go plexing elsewhere or in a safer, more limited plex, other than leaving the match and trying to re-queue. This right here. The problem with comparing FW in Eve and Dust is that you can choose your level of engagement in Eve to an extent. In Dust you either get participate in the stomp or are stomped. I don't see even matches. Which brings up a good question: Did the matchmaking update get applied to FW? Probably not considering it would add to the already high wait times. There also isn't an incentive to stay and fight for your faction. New players have a standing 0 with every faction. When they lose a match (which will happen a lot) they will earn 200-ish LPs and 0 Standing. What is the incentive to stay, exactly? Why would anyone play for the faction that loses as often as the Amarr/Caldari? @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10237	Posted - 2015.05.16 14:53:00 - [129] - Quote Bumping for a few more votes in the poll. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.21 14:33:00 - [130] - Quote We are at 98 votes guys. Can I get just two more? @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.21 14:48:00 - [131] - Quote So yesterday my small sync (only 8 at the time) bumped into a near full Minmatar sync. We played it out, made some good pushes, but ultimately never had a chance. Next match we get deployed against the same people, and realizing this cycles would go on, we leave match to get out of sync with them. Some may call it cowardly or poor sport or whatever, but it's really picking your battles. Syncs going to sync, better for your faction to ensure the other victories. Maybe we'd of stayed if losing a battle wasn't the most unrewarding thing ever. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 619	Posted - 2015.05.21 14:50:00 - [132] - Quote Fix FW, then evaluate whether the LP rice needs changed, current FW mechanics I"d say lower it.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10	Posted - 2015.05.21 14:53:00 - [133] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Maybe we'd of stayed if losing a battle wasn't the most unrewarding thing ever. And this, ladies and genlemercs, is why FW is shite right now. Getting your ass handed to you has absolutely no gain (lol200LPs) so why bother sticking it out. And adding ISK won't provide enough incentive either, Rattati. Banjo Robertson wrote: Fix FW, then evaluate whether the LP rice needs changed, current FW mechanics I'd say lower it. CCP Rattati seems to believe PC is the marquee feature of Dust 514 and FW is the redheaded step child. Except for potentially adding in ISK rewards I have not heard any improvements coming to FW. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10	Posted - 2015.05.21 15:25:00 - [134] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati seems to believe PC is the marquee feature of Dust 514 and FW is the redheaded step child. Except for potentially adding in ISK rewards I have not heard any improvements coming to FW. Because FW involves NPC corps and CCP loves everything 100% player driven, as if you can't get great player stories out of FW if it ever got some attention. Praetoriani Classiarii Templares = PIE Inc, Amarr dedicated Corp Channel for AFW Squads & Orbitals: PIE Ground Control


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