DUST Search - FW SKINs have the same cost as an APEX dropsuit

MINA Longstrike wrote:

Ripley Riley wrote:

MINA Longstrike wrote:

If you want your skins and apex suits, you should be working for them.... or as I've seen some people do, be prepared to spend a few hundred matches afking through faction warfare.

With the 100k LP pricetag being this high you will see more grind fatigue than you would with 50k LP cost, I assure you. AFK'ing continue to be a problem, possibly even worse than before.

Also: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/ vote if you don't mind Big smile

MINA Longstrike wrote:

No, it isn't. I get 1600 a win without any boosters for caldari. That's a grand total of 31 wins per skin and I can easily get 10-15 wins IN A DAY if I'm going hard at it. That would make it take less than a week for me to have all the caldari FW skins.

And that's great! I'm proud of you. Please realize that your own experiences with FW are a great deal different that your peers though. Amarr and Caldari FW are typically a massive shitshow.

Yes, amarr and caldari are usually a shitshow and I'm aware that my results are not 'typical. That's got a lot more to do with the nature of faction warfare than anything else.

I do feel however, that skins being priced as highly as they are is a good thing as it gives a motivation to play faction warfare even if there isn't necessarily something like an apex suit that you want. Most people will agree that the price of FW weapons / equipment is absolutely borked and not worth the time, This however provides incentive to people who aren't Omni-soldiers that want all the things.

I am incredibly glad that it will take even someone like me at least a few weeks to get all the LP skins for my primary faction (Not to mention my alt) rather than just having it be a meaningless 'achievement' that people can check off after a week or two.

Yes, it's a '****** progression treadmill'... only if you don't enjoy the slog.

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Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1728	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:16:00 - [61] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Wasn't this expected? ^ Rattati replied to a pricing speculation post I made a few days ago, confirming my suspicions. BPO Trade Stall
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10072	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:27:00 - [62] - Quote Quick update on the poll: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/r 41 votes 38 Reduce the cost 03 Price is fine 00 Increase the cost @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP RUST415 210	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:32:00 - [63] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Quick update on the poll: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/r 41 votes 38 Reduce the cost 03 Price is fine 00 Increase the cost Make a spreadsheet, Rattati loves the smell of a spreadsheet in the morning. -- LKC -- Tomate Pote --
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10074	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:33:00 - [64] - Quote Aidualc wrote: Make a spreadsheet, Rattati loves the smell of a spreadsheet in the morning. I will, but I want the poll to be open for at least 24 hours first. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 869	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:05:00 - [65] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Joel II X wrote: This, or at least giving a certain discount per level of loyalty to the point of where it's almost free if you're rank 10, because let's face it, those guys need something for their dedication. A price determined by Standing would be interesting. The SKIN starts at 100k LP and 10mil ISK, then decreases by 10% per Standing rank down to free at Standing level 10. I like that. It would be an incentive to win FW matches instead of AFK for LP. I like this idea ^ Sadly I am far off from both goals... Back to grinding Caldari FW
hails8n DEATH BY DESTRUCTION 145	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:10:00 - [66] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed In BF4 I can earn 5 camos in a day, but in dust its a week of hard grinding for 1, and 1 does not fit all. This games almost dead can't you just for once make a positive, easy to gain feature/item. . F*ck me. Petition to ban the trainyard map.
First Prophet Nos Nothi 2941	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:12:00 - [67] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Bare in mind that 99% of people wont see the skin of a suit midmatch, this is only for basic customisation for the player and thats it I disagree with this. The Thukker MinScout SKIN I want stands out like a sore thumb. Doesn't ever show in the warbarge and only half the time in Merc Quarters though. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3099	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:21:00 - [68] - Quote While I agree that the prices of skins in general are probably too high. In the case of FW LP skins, you're buying a trophy. It's to show off to other players how committed you are to your faction. It gives no other bonus other than demonstrating your ability to grind for your faction. It reminds me of epic weapons in Guild Wars 2, which literally are just skins that look cool and people spend insane hours working on those. The cheaper you make skins, the less special you get to feel when you wear it. I don't really care how much LP they cost, but like I said, the cheaper they are, the more you'll see, and the less of a "trophy" they are. Best PvE idea ever!
hails8n DEATH BY DESTRUCTION 145	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:24:00 - [69] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: While I agree that the prices of skins in general are probably too high. In the case of FW LP skins, you're buying a trophy. It's to show off to other players how committed you are to your faction. It gives no other bonus other than demonstrating your ability to grind for your faction. It reminds me of epic weapons in Guild Wars 2, which literally are just skins that look cool and people spend insane hours working on those. The cheaper you make skins, the less special you get to feel when you wear it. I don't really care how much LP they cost, but like I said, the cheaper they are, the more you'll see, and the less of a "trophy" they are. Then go buy an amarr medium skin, you'll look cool. Petition to ban the trainyard map.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10079	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:27:00 - [70] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: The cheaper you make skins, the less special you get to feel when you wear it. It would still be a challenge to earn 50k LP and 5mil ISK, making FW SKINs a rarer sight that one of the AUR SKINs. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3099	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:36:00 - [71] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Vell0cet wrote: The cheaper you make skins, the less special you get to feel when you wear it. It would still be a challenge to earn 50k LP and 5mil ISK, making FW SKINs a rarer sight that one of the AUR SKINs. Like I said, I don't really care what they cost. I'm not into the skin thing personally (though I'm glad they added them for those who are). If we took the "cheapening the LP cost" to it's extreme what if they cost 100LP each? Most people wouldn't like that either because they'd be everywhere. It's a scale, the higher the LP cost the more special you get to feel by wearing it, the lower the less special. I'm just saying the value of a skin as a trophy is that it's hard to get. 50k LP + 5mil might very well be appropriate. Best PvE idea ever!
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3098	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:39:00 - [72] - Quote Entirely content with the cost of skins and apex suits. These are not handouts, nor are they meant to be something that you derp around for 10 matches to get. If you want your skins and apex suits, you should be working for them.... or as I've seen some people do, be prepared to spend a few hundred matches afking through faction warfare. Ripley Riley wrote: Vell0cet wrote: The cheaper you make skins, the less special you get to feel when you wear it. It would still be a challenge to earn 50k LP and 5mil ISK, making FW SKINs a rarer sight that one of the AUR SKINs. No, it isn't. I get 1600 a win without any boosters for caldari. That's a grand total of 31 wins per skin and I can easily get 10-15 wins IN A DAY if I'm going hard at it. That would make it take less than a week for me to have all the caldari FW skins. 100k per skin is entirely fine. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10079	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:44:00 - [73] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: If you want your skins and apex suits, you should be working for them.... or as I've seen some people do, be prepared to spend a few hundred matches afking through faction warfare. With the 100k LP pricetag being this high you will see more grind fatigue than you would with 50k LP cost, I assure you. AFK'ing continue to be a problem, possibly even worse than before. Also: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/ vote if you don't mind MINA Longstrike wrote: No, it isn't. I get 1600 a win without any boosters for caldari. That's a grand total of 31 wins per skin and I can easily get 10-15 wins IN A DAY if I'm going hard at it. That would make it take less than a week for me to have all the caldari FW skins. And that's great! I'm proud of you. Please realize that your own experiences with FW are a great deal different that your peers though. Amarr and Caldari FW are typically a massive shitshow. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels 213	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:47:00 - [74] - Quote great observation skills, did you get them to lvl 3 yet? Skins earned in battle and blood. 30 million isk, 300,000LP? challenge excepted The chat channel 'player trade' is open for adding contacts and placing item advertisements in game.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10079	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:52:00 - [75] - Quote The Lion ElJonson wrote: great observation skills, did you get them to lvl 3 yet? They are at least as high as your trolling skills, m8 If you are running Gallente or Minmatar then 300k LP isn't much of a hurdle since the greatest challenges Gal/Min FW has to face are long wait times and figuring out where to spend their LP @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3098	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:02:00 - [76] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: If you want your skins and apex suits, you should be working for them.... or as I've seen some people do, be prepared to spend a few hundred matches afking through faction warfare. With the 100k LP pricetag being this high you will see more grind fatigue than you would with 50k LP cost, I assure you. AFK'ing continue to be a problem, possibly even worse than before. Also: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/ vote if you don't mind MINA Longstrike wrote: No, it isn't. I get 1600 a win without any boosters for caldari. That's a grand total of 31 wins per skin and I can easily get 10-15 wins IN A DAY if I'm going hard at it. That would make it take less than a week for me to have all the caldari FW skins. And that's great! I'm proud of you. Please realize that your own experiences with FW are a great deal different that your peers though. Amarr and Caldari FW are typically a massive shitshow. Yes, amarr and caldari are usually a shitshow and I'm aware that my results are not 'typical. That's got a lot more to do with the nature of faction warfare than anything else. I do feel however, that skins being priced as highly as they are is a good thing as it gives a motivation to play faction warfare even if there isn't necessarily something like an apex suit that you want. Most people will agree that the price of FW weapons / equipment is absolutely borked and not worth the time, This however provides incentive to people who aren't Omni-soldiers that want all the things. I am incredibly glad that it will take even someone like me at least a few weeks to get all the LP skins for my primary faction (Not to mention my alt) rather than just having it be a meaningless 'achievement' that people can check off after a week or two. Yes, it's a '**** progression treadmill'... only if you don't enjoy the slog. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Knightshade Belladonna Kentucky Fried Clones 1506	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:05:00 - [77] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: If you want your skins and apex suits, you should be working for them.... or as I've seen some people do, be prepared to spend a few hundred matches afking through faction warfare. With the 100k LP pricetag being this high you will see more grind fatigue than you would with 50k LP cost, I assure you. AFK'ing continue to be a problem, possibly even worse than before. Also: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/ vote if you don't mind MINA Longstrike wrote: No, it isn't. I get 1600 a win without any boosters for caldari. That's a grand total of 31 wins per skin and I can easily get 10-15 wins IN A DAY if I'm going hard at it. That would make it take less than a week for me to have all the caldari FW skins. And that's great! I'm proud of you. Please realize that your own experiences with FW are a great deal different that your peers though. Amarr and Caldari FW are typically a massive shitshow. Yes, amarr and caldari are usually a shitshow and I'm aware that my results are not 'typical. That's got a lot more to do with the nature of faction warfare than anything else. I do feel however, that skins being priced as highly as they are is a good thing as it gives a motivation to play faction warfare even if there isn't necessarily something like an apex suit that you want. Most people will agree that the price of FW weapons / equipment is absolutely borked and not worth the time, This however provides incentive to people who aren't Omni-soldiers that want all the things. I am incredibly glad that it will take even someone like me at least a few weeks to get all the LP skins for my primary faction (Not to mention my alt) rather than just having it be a meaningless 'achievement' that people can check off after a week or two. Yes, it's a '****** progression treadmill'... only if you don't enjoy the slog. I fail to see how these skins will make people suddenly play faction warfare more, as if they are more desirable than apex..which anyone wanting has already been doing.
Dropship One DROPSHIP ONE OPERATIONS 8	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:08:00 - [78] - Quote Where can I find images of the skins beside the DEV BLOG from April 27th? Those images are terrible.
Cypher Nil Fireteam Tempest 288	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:08:00 - [79] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first I really like the Idea of ISK in FW, hopefully this will encourage EU players to actually play the game mode because I can never find a FW match till after 3AM. (I live in Ireland BTW) my poor sleeping pattern thanks you Rattati. n++pâçGòÉS+Ç 28+ Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10080	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:12:00 - [80] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Yes, it's a '****** progression treadmill'... only if you don't enjoy the slog. Players who are interested in earning the SKINs will play a handful of matches like they are srsbiz. If they are Amarr or Caldari, getting stomped will wear on them. Eventually grind fatigue sets in. If they still want the SKIN they will semi-AFK, halfass around the match. Hacking unattended objectives or dropping deployable equipment here and there for WPs. Maybe blow up red turrets for their daily missions. The high price tag on FW SKINs could end up being more of a detriment to FW attendance... @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3100	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:13:00 - [81] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: I fail to see how these skins will make people suddenly play faction warfare more, as if they are more desirable than apex..which anyone wanting has already been doing. * the soon to be isk in FW might grab a few more people though A sense of progression, accomplishment or even something to work towards as a goal can provide a reason for doing something. I agree that isk coming back will also help (if it's a non-idiotic amount). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3493	Posted - 2015.05.12 18:19:00 - [82] - Quote I figured they would be about the same cost as an Loyalty Apex suit. That's why I went ahead and bought another apex last week. Honestly, I dont even like the look of any of the Main faction skins anyway. No loss. (Now that blood raiders on the other hand....) Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10086	Posted - 2015.05.12 19:38:00 - [83] - Quote Bump. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1148	Posted - 2015.05.12 20:19:00 - [85] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? not for me tho. Once you have the best players in the game as contacts i can get over 30k LP or 50k LP a day with boosters if the ball keeps going. But In reality ive never really cared about FW and probably never will. AE
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10087	Posted - 2015.05.12 20:23:00 - [86] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: not for me tho. Once you have the best players in the game as contacts i can get over 30k LP or 50k LP a day with boosters if the ball keeps going. But In reality ive never really cared about FW and probably never will. Well, you've got it made then, homie The rest of us window lickers will just have to slog through months of getting our asses handed to us in Amarr/Caldari FW. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 3942	Posted - 2015.05.12 20:30:00 - [87] - Quote Yey! I have to grind a few months to get a Caldari M SKIN... Not only THAT, I can get at most 3 hours a week in game. To get one game of CFW, it would take let's say 5 minutes que time, with each battle lasting 15 minutes. What is that, 6 battles a week? Let's assume I win all the battles (for real? Cal?), at most I get ~7-8,000 LP. It could take 12 weeks of grinding assuming I get a battle within 5 minutes of queue and win all of them. SMH... Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons First to PM me with common name wins (no Hyansaru, u win too much ;P)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18982	Posted - 2015.05.12 21:05:00 - [88] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Impossible in my case. Nobody runs Factional during my waking hours >_> I cannot find FW games either during my evening hours. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 1126	Posted - 2015.05.13 09:04:00 - [89] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: best players in the game as contacts Quote: Ancient Exiles HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA GOOD ONE Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 134	Posted - 2015.05.13 09:55:00 - [90] - Quote Give to us ISK on FW battles, give to us FW from 18 GMT.... ... and we will play FW ;) We still get more ISK for proto fits from play domi/ambush etc. We have to wait about 15-20 minutes to play ONE FW battle, in this time we can play two public battles and earn more ISK.... Good day! dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 60 kk SP and growing



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