DUST Search - FW SKINs have the same cost as an APEX dropsuit

Bright Cloud wrote:

Just think about it on the flipside of things. Since apex suits became costumisable the request for them is extremely high and once we can trade BPO's i highly doubt it that the players will pay the same amount of ISK for a skin as if they would for a apex suit. Suits and weapons help you to win matches skins on the other hand dont cause of the pure cosmetic purpose.
I can allready predict the ISK worth ranking from BPO's:

1. APEX SUITS
2. BPO WEAPONS
3. BPO MODULES
4. BPO EQUIPMENT
5. STD BPO SUITS
6. SKINS

You have to keep in mind that people will compare those skins to their AUR counterparts. And since the AUR skins are much cheaper then the apex suits its obvious that people wont pay nearly as much for them.

It all comes down aswell on the 3 factors that determine the ISK trade pricetag:

1. is it usefull?
2. would i use it frequently?
3. how much would it cost for AUR?

Only because a item is rather hard to obtain doesnt mean that people want it. A reasonable pricetag would be 50k LP due to the rather low activity in FW. PLus it would somewhat match the price for AUR skins.

Professional Logibro and avid AVer -- I support my team for the ISK, but I blow up vehicles for the LOLz.

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General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 248	Posted - 2015.05.13 10:09:00 - [91] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? That's because Evil doesnt win :P Anyways, to the OP and Ratatti, SKINS are too much if they are anywhere near the price of APEX Dropsuits. I'd go utilitarian by buying an APEX before I get something that just makes you "look cool." I didn't really pay attention to the price of SKINS, but if its close to, or worse, exactly the same price as, an APEX, its no wonder I've never seen a SKIN from the LP Market. Players did want aesthetics for their suit, but we aren't willing to pay through the nose for it. TL;DR: In the battle of Aesthetic vs. Utilitarian: Aesthetics < Utilitarian, so the prices should show that. Gallente-Fu Grand Master Gallente Federation Patriot
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10095	Posted - 2015.05.13 12:48:00 - [92] - Quote Ladies and gentlemen, The poll now sits at: 58 of 65 votes to reduce the ISK/LP cost of FW SKINs https://strawpoll.me/4341661/r @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1018	Posted - 2015.05.13 13:12:00 - [93] - Quote Just think about it on the flipside of things. Since apex suits became costumisable the request for them is extremely high and once we can trade BPO's i highly doubt it that the players will pay the same amount of ISK for a skin as if they would for a apex suit. Suits and weapons help you to win matches skins on the other hand dont cause of the pure cosmetic purpose. I can allready predict the ISK worth ranking from BPO's: 1. APEX SUITS 2. BPO WEAPONS 3. BPO MODULES 4. BPO EQUIPMENT 5. STD BPO SUITS 6. SKINS You have to keep in mind that people will compare those skins to their AUR counterparts. And since the AUR skins are much cheaper then the apex suits its obvious that people wont pay nearly as much for them. It all comes down aswell on the 3 factors that determine the ISK trade pricetag: 1. is it usefull? 2. would i use it frequently? 3. how much would it cost for AUR? Only because a item is rather hard to obtain doesnt mean that people want it. A reasonable pricetag would be 50k LP due to the rather low activity in FW. PLus it would somewhat match the price for AUR skins. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 791	Posted - 2015.05.13 15:20:00 - [94] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Just think about it on the flipside of things. 3. how much would it cost for AUR? I agree. I might be part of the problem. Compared to 100k LP, 23k AUR all of the sudden sounded like a bargain. I'll spend my Caldari LP on a logi, and cover it with gold darkness... http://i.imgur.com/6gB8fFF.jpg Yes, the SKIN is covered in gold darkness, somehow, and I was pleasantly surprised. I wasn't going to spend money, but I'm glad I did. I'm going to be upset if they tweak my cosmetics after I paid for cosmetics specifically, but until then I'll be hiding in the shadows. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 306	Posted - 2015.05.13 20:41:00 - [95] - Quote Poll won't let me vote. I'm happy with the price.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1148	Posted - 2015.05.13 21:31:00 - [96] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: best players in the game as contacts Quote: Ancient Exiles HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA GOOD ONE yeah having guys that won the NA prime league tournament really helps. Also nice fake quotation i dont talk like that. AE
Templar XIII 164	Posted - 2015.05.13 21:41:00 - [97] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Absolutely agree. Will have to grind a lot for Amarr SKINs since Iam EU timezone, and Amarr FW is hard to get here, harder to win, but all worth it. People complaining on not getting it for 50k LP and less are simply lazy and impatient. They forget, that more SKINs will be released they can purchase for AUR and such. All people want is have it all, have it now, have it for dirt cheap as possible. But all this does is making it all worthless...keep the pricing as it is, let them grind it out or get different SKINs later altogether or purchase them from others once they can be traded.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19005	Posted - 2015.05.13 21:43:00 - [98] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I love the pricing, but maybe that's because I assumed this would be the case and already had over 300k LP in the bank. This doesn't sting nearly as much to you since you have been grinding Amarr FW for months before today. Imagine if you had less than 5k Amarr LP, like many players. Put yourself in their boots. 100k Amarr LP is a long, hard road for a SKIN. There are prices that would have preserved the rarity of the SKINs while not causing near-psychotic-breaks and self harm. : Which is, let's face it, just a paintjob. It's not anything wondrous or amazing. Just a cool color for your merc's dropsuit. Satisfying the Empress requires a long and hard job which is why Amarrians, like myself, of superior stamina are required. That's how I earned my 200,000+ LP, as a consort. I've made the recent realisation that the second best thing about being Amarrian is all the innuendo you can casually drop into conversation. Also do consider Riley that Aero and I were running AFW for months before LP even offered LP and were were significantly more active then than we are able to be now. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
Templar XIII 164	Posted - 2015.05.13 21:49:00 - [99] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Just think about it on the flipside of things. 3. how much would it cost for AUR? I agree. I might be part of the problem. Compared to 100k LP, 23k AUR all of the sudden sounded like a bargain. I'll spend my Caldari LP on a logi, and cover it with gold darkness... http://i.imgur.com/6gB8fFF.jpg Yes, the SKIN is covered in gold darkness, somehow, and I was pleasantly surprised. I wasn't going to spend money, but I'm glad I did. I'm going to be upset if they tweak my cosmetics after I paid for cosmetics specifically, but until then I'll be hiding in the shadows. Damn that golden suit looks neat, no...better than neat...it looks...dangerous.
Mr.Pepe Le Pew Art.of.Death 110	Posted - 2015.05.13 22:27:00 - [100] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? Not nearly as long as it takes to get 10k LP Gallente. Cue times are ridiculous and you can't even grind out matches before 5pm CST. so you have a small window of time in which you can actually run any faction. The price for skins are outrageous. CEO / Art.of.Death

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8722	Posted - 2015.05.13 23:12:00 - [101] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Impossible in my case. Nobody runs Factional during my waking hours >_> I cannot find FW games either during my evening hours. same There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
CHET CHEWS Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 86	Posted - 2015.05.13 23:22:00 - [102] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Well i honestly disagree, they are skins as said before i think they should cost around 20k, but i know its not going to happen so... why bother FU CHET CHEWS- Sumar load 2014-2015
The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels 216	Posted - 2015.05.14 11:15:00 - [103] - Quote its too cheap. sorry i'm not trolling but it is. an apex at that price fair enough but skins should be like a medal that shows you grinded your back out for that faction and no way do i want to get one or three and see noobs have one too. Will it help FW? already has as far as Caldari's STF and Gallentes LE are concerned. in two nights of organised mentality ive got 50,098 LP for cal state. No boosters, just joining a channel of q-sinc players and following there FC's orders, winner winner chicken dinner, as for isk just save 10 keys and cash in your experimental lab. by the time you have the LP from 5 days of hardcore bopping you should have 10 mill in Officer/experimental gear, if not while FW isnt rolling run pubs in starters. Its easily possible to grab a suit in 5 days of joining a FW channel and listening to the people running the show. What We Need Is Daily Missions that reward isk for FW players, ie complete 5 FW matches for any faction and get 150,000 isk, get X amount of WP or SP in FW earns you 200,000 etc. Factional is building up, its going to be keeping people there thats the problem. The chat channel 'player trade' is open for adding contacts and placing item advertisements in game.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 795	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:25:00 - [104] - Quote If the ISK payouts are fair (equal to Ambush) I'm sure FW will become more popular at all hours. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10159	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:29:00 - [105] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: If the ISK payouts are fair (equal to Ambush) I'm sure FW will become more popular at all hours. More popular? Yes. It will remain a grindfest for SKINs though. I have to ask myself, are SKINs this highly priced to encourage FW booster sales? That seems to be the only reason that makes sense, considering player feedback seems to indicate they want more affordable SKINs but CCP Rattati is ignoring them. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 133	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:30:00 - [106] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Impossible in my case. Nobody runs Factional during my waking hours >_> Trust me, I would, but I can never get any. Optimal FW time is between 14:00 -5UTC and 01:00 -5UTC, from what I've observed. D: I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. RUST415 3290	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:31:00 - [107] - Quote BTW I will be buying the Caldari Light Skin for 50m when we can trade. Carry on. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
cris bleu Carbon 7 145	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:36:00 - [108] - Quote At this price they mean something. They're a medal to be proudly displayed, not just another paint job.
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 133	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:38:00 - [109] - Quote cris bleu wrote: At this price they mean something. They're a medal to be proudly displayed, not just another paint job. That's what they said about APEX suits...yeah...not so much. I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10161	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:41:00 - [110] - Quote cris bleu wrote: At this price they mean something. They're a medal to be proudly displayed, not just another paint job. Unless the coloration is gaudy (see: Quafe or APEX) I rarely, if ever, notice someone is wearing a SKIN. The SKINs are most important to the wearer, as they will actually see the SKIN the most often. As one of those wearers: I could give less than a damn about how many 100's of thousands of LPs it took to earn the FW SKINs, I just want a neat paintjob for my dropsuits. The majority of players want FW SKINs to be more easily attained, Rattati. What are you going to do about that? @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

cris bleu Carbon 7 145	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:53:00 - [111] - Quote Aiwha Bait wrote: cris bleu wrote: At this price they mean something. They're a medal to be proudly displayed, not just another paint job. That's what they said about APEX suits...yeah...not so much. If you mean that Apex suits that can be bought for irl cash make them meaningless, yes, I agree. I'm not missing something am aI? I was hoping these SKINs were lp exclusive
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10161	Posted - 2015.05.14 12:57:00 - [112] - Quote cris bleu wrote: If you mean that Apex suits that can be bought for irl cash make them meaningless, yes, I agree. I'm not missing something am aI? I was hoping these SKINs were lp exclusive And you can triple stack FW boosters to reduce the time to earn a FW SKIN. What's your point? You are still spending aurum either way. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
cris bleu Carbon 7 145	Posted - 2015.05.14 13:03:00 - [113] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: cris bleu wrote: If you mean that Apex suits that can be bought for irl cash make them meaningless, yes, I agree. I'm not missing something am aI? I was hoping these SKINs were lp exclusive And you can triple stack FW boosters to reduce the time to earn a FW SKIN. What's your point? You are still spending aurum either way. Boosters are a separate argument. They exist for SP too yet many mercs would say that their SP score is meaningful.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10162	Posted - 2015.05.14 13:18:00 - [114] - Quote cris bleu wrote: Boosters are a separate argument. They exist for SP too yet many mercs would say that their SP score is meaningful. Who says SP is meaningful? Useful, yes, but meaningful? SP is passively accrued even if you never login to your character. LP is not. You are not comparing apples to apples here. Boosters are absolutely part of the equation. Triple stack FW boosters then AFK in FW matches and still earn 500-ish LP per match. Occasionally your team might earn a win which will increase your Standing and earn you even more LP for that match. Minimal effort. The "It represents hard work! It's a badge of honor!" argument is null. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Aiwha Bait Demonic Cowboys 135	Posted - 2015.05.14 14:19:00 - [115] - Quote cris bleu wrote: Aiwha Bait wrote: cris bleu wrote: At this price they mean something. They're a medal to be proudly displayed, not just another paint job. That's what they said about APEX suits...yeah...not so much. If you mean that Apex suits that can be bought for irl cash make them meaningless, yes, I agree. I'm not missing something am aI? I was hoping these SKINs were lp exclusive I mean that they told us APEX suits were gonna be like a medal (more or less). I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
Michael Epic Horizons' Edge No Context 881	Posted - 2015.05.14 14:39:00 - [116] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? I can get about 10k loyalty pts in 6 matches bro...? 10 days of that and you should have your APEX or SKIN suit. Am I missing something? I don't play FW because it doesn't pay out ISK but I sat down the other day to play GFW and went from like 579 LP to like 30,000 LP in a day. Is it harder in other factions? Michael Epic's "EPIC" Proposal to his girlfriend :D
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10163	Posted - 2015.05.14 14:41:00 - [117] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Am I missing something? I don't play FW because it doesn't pay out ISK but I sat down the other day to play GFW and went from like 579 LP to like 30,000 LP in a day. Is it harder in other factions? Amarr and Caldari FW are queue sync shitshows. Gallente and Minmatar are easier and have more participation from higher tier corps. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
bogeyman m Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 463	Posted - 2015.05.14 15:58:00 - [118] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Just make the requirements be lvl 10 in rank and 50k lp 5million isk. 10 is way too high. I like the idea I saw someone post: three tiers of SKIN. Standing level 3, 6, and 9 or something like that. Each one looks a bit cooler. They all cost similar amounts of ISK/LP, but they have Standing fitting requirements. This^ Professional Logibro and avid AVer -- I support my team for the ISK, but I blow up vehicles for the LOLz.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 1153	Posted - 2015.05.14 16:03:00 - [119] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? I can get about 10k loyalty pts in 6 matches bro...? 10 days of that and you should have your APEX or SKIN suit. Am I missing something? I don't play FW because it doesn't pay out ISK but I sat down the other day to play GFW and went from like 579 LP to like 30,000 LP in a day. Is it harder in other factions? gall fw is easy mode. AE
bogeyman m Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 463	Posted - 2015.05.14 16:13:00 - [120] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Just think about it on the flipside of things. Since apex suits became costumisable the request for them is extremely high and once we can trade BPO's i highly doubt it that the players will pay the same amount of ISK for a skin as if they would for a apex suit. Suits and weapons help you to win matches skins on the other hand dont cause of the pure cosmetic purpose. I can allready predict the ISK worth ranking from BPO's: 1. APEX SUITS 2. BPO WEAPONS 3. BPO MODULES 4. BPO EQUIPMENT 5. STD BPO SUITS 6. SKINS You have to keep in mind that people will compare those skins to their AUR counterparts. And since the AUR skins are much cheaper then the apex suits its obvious that people wont pay nearly as much for them. It all comes down aswell on the 3 factors that determine the ISK trade pricetag: 1. is it usefull? 2. would i use it frequently? 3. how much would it cost for AUR? Only because a item is rather hard to obtain doesnt mean that people want it. A reasonable pricetag would be 50k LP due to the rather low activity in FW. PLus it would somewhat match the price for AUR skins. All excellent points. Professional Logibro and avid AVer -- I support my team for the ISK, but I blow up vehicles for the LOLz.



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