DUST Search - FW SKINs have the same cost as an APEX dropsuit

Vrain Matari wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed

I also agree.

But when thinking about it, i agree because APEX-style suits are so damaging to the game, allowing players to put significant force ad infinitum onto the field without running much of an ISK risk. Personally i'd rather see them priced at $100.

We know from past experience that peeps will run even STD BPOs to avoid/ensure ISK loss/profit. Expanding on better-than-standard BPO dropsuits and adding fitting flexibility(CPU/PG differences notwithstanding) takes players out of Dust's risk-vs-reward ecology.

Dust is going to pay a price in immersion for these APEX dropsuits, New Eden is going to be pushed a little farther away from us. What is it CCP gains from APEX? What is it Dust gains from APEX? What is it New Eden gains from APEX?

Personally, i'll run ISK dropsuits. Risk vs. reward is what makes Dust different. Looks to me like CCP wants to take the brutal edge off that equation. That's a loss of courage and a lack of faith in what Dust was intended to be. You guys are in danger of re-marketing this unique product all the way to uninteresting.

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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10030	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:47:00 - [1] - Quote Okay, real talk, what is going on here? Why are FW SKINs the same price as an APEX? It's a paint job, for chrissakes. Let's put this into perspective, shall we? Depending on who your favorite faction is, we are talking about weeks of grinding for the ability to turn your dropsuit a different color. First AUR SKINs are $20 and now this. Some more cost analysis for you... if you want to run a SKIN on every size dropsuit of your favorite race: 30mil ISK + 300k LP Even for Minmatar FW, that's a good bit of grinding. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 1104	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:50:00 - [2] - Quote My cat headbutted a piano last night by sprinting into it, even he knows that pricing is bonkers Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4647	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:51:00 - [3] - Quote Wasn't this expected? Shaman's Shack - A place to trade Training to be a packed RE master launcher
cray cray FISH Caught Me With My Pants Down 54	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:53:00 - [4] - Quote FFS i bought a state apex (my 2nd) 4 days ago, why didn't i save that 100k lp... .#Stormtrooper4life Team BD's Resident Fish
Jack Boost Zarena Family 771	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:55:00 - [5] - Quote Most of BPO will be converted to SKYNS :) Now tell me is 100K LP + 10kk ISK ok? Seams legit. Not much time left...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10036	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:56:00 - [6] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Wasn't this expected? The AUR SKINs being $10 a piece should have tipped us off at how disconnected CCP is from cost vs. benefit ratios. I genuinely hoped the FW SKINs were going to be attainable though; 50k LP or so. Perhaps 25k LP + 10mil ISK. cray cray FISH wrote: FFS i bought a state apex (my 2nd) 4 days ago, why didn't i save that 100k lp... There isn't really much reason to buy the FW SKINs so long as an APEX dropsuit is the same price, to be honest. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22331	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:01:00 - [7] - Quote it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16628	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:02:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Impossible in my case. Nobody runs Factional during my waking hours >_> "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 1108	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:02:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Sure, but having it the same as an APEX suit is pretty silly. Bare in mind that 99% of people wont see the skin of a suit midmatch, this is only for basic customisation for the player and thats it Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
cray cray FISH Caught Me With My Pants Down 54	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:03:00 - [10] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: shaman oga wrote: Wasn't this expected? The AUR SKINs being $10 a piece should have tipped us off at how disconnected CCP is from cost vs. benefit ratios. I genuinely hoped the FW SKINs were going to be attainable though; 50k LP or so. Perhaps 25k LP + 10mil ISK. cray cray FISH wrote: FFS i bought a state apex (my 2nd) 4 days ago, why didn't i save that 100k lp... There isn't really much reason to buy the FW SKINs so long as an APEX dropsuit is the same price, to be honest. Yeah you're probably right, the apex will be more useful, because it isn't the calmando... .#Stormtrooper4life Team BD's Resident Fish

ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1759	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:03:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed If it was a 'master' print that could fit all size suits, maybe. Hell, the Light only effects basic and Scout, kind of crazy.. I looked forward to getting one, not anymore though, I'll buy another LP suit for that cost.. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10042	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:04:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: It was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Get an informal poll from players. The majority will recommend something between 25k - 50k LP + 0mil - 5mil ISK. Please, I encourage you to do so. Whoever told you it was okay to make the FW SKINs cost this much needs their head checked. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22331	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:04:00 - [13] - Quote also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22331	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:04:00 - [14] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Sure, but having it the same as an APEX suit is pretty silly. Bare in mind that 99% of people wont see the skin of a suit midmatch, this is only for basic customisation for the player and thats it it's really up to you, you can maybe trade it later for isk from someone who worked for it "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10042	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:05:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16628	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:06:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first Actually you said that earlier, but I'm going to pretend like you blew my mind. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Evan Gotabor Prima Gallicus 177	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:07:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed I got barely 2000LP (lvl8) for winning fights on behalf of my beloved Gallente federation. Currently, that means I need to win 50 fights for the gallente federation. And it's not like FW was popular. After all, there is no domination in FW... Prima Gallicus diplomat New Eden France, actualités Dust Eve et Valkyrie en français
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 6108	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:08:00 - [18] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP? The coalition of the willing is difficult to muster at times, but maybe you can rouse the hearts of a few for the glory of dem pixels! Dust 514 Market Trello. The essential resource for trading in Dust.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10046	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:11:00 - [19] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: The coalition of the willing is difficult to muster at times, but maybe you can rouse the hearts of a few for the glory of dem pixels! At this point we are forced to grind it out. I hate that we are no longer fighting mercenaries, but CCP for the ability enjoy new content added to Dust 514. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 300	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:15:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed QFT. I haven't even earned my imperial skin yet but when I do I'll be glad it's not overly common. At least requires a commitment to a faction to earn one. I'm glad some of the coolest content can't be bought, too.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10048	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:17:00 - [21] - Quote Sardonk Eternia wrote: QFT. I haven't even earned my imperial skin yet but when I do I'll be glad it's not overly common. At least requires a commitment to a faction to earn one. I'm glad some of the coolest content can't be bought, too. It would have been better to implement a minimum Standing level to fit the FW SKINs. That would have denoted commitment without causing FW SKINs to cost this much. I am glad that the FW SKINs are not available for aurum though. That is a good thing. Unfortunately, in order to grind for them FW boosters are required so, in effect, they still require aurum. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1759	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:18:00 - [22] - Quote Sardonk Eternia wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed QFT. I haven't even earned my imperial skin yet but when I do I'll be glad it's not overly common. At least requires a commitment to a faction to earn one. I'm glad some of the coolest content can't be bought, too. When you wear that very particular suit, yes, it will be impressive. Problem is I switch between multiple size and race of suits... Picking one is impossible, and unless I want to grind forever and a day, it just seems fruitless to not get another LP suit.. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2752	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:18:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed I also agree. But when thinking about it, i agree because APEX-style suits are so damaging to the game, allowing players to put significant force ad infinitum onto the field without running much of an ISK risk. Personally i'd rather see them priced at $100. We know from past experience that peeps will run even STD BPOs to avoid/ensure ISK loss/profit. Expanding on better-than-standard BPO dropsuits and adding fitting flexibility(CPU/PG differences notwithstanding) takes players out of Dust's risk-vs-reward ecology. Dust is going to pay a price in immersion for these APEX dropsuits, New Eden is going to be pushed a little farther away from us. What is it CCP gains from APEX? What is it Dust gains from APEX? What is it New Eden gains from APEX? Personally, i'll run ISK dropsuits. Risk vs. reward is what makes Dust different. Looks to me like CCP wants to take the brutal edge off that equation. That's a loss of courage and a lack of faith in what Dust was intended to be. You guys are in danger of re-marketing this unique product all the way to uninteresting. Edit: Apologies, wrong thread/topic, but i'll leave it here anyway. Visual customization is cool and i'm totally neutral on pricing. The above comment was sparked by the APEX model being forced on the game. PSN: RationalSpark
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9796	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:21:00 - [24] - Quote I love the pricing, but maybe that's because I assumed this would be the case and already had over 300k LP in the bank. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 300	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:24:00 - [25] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed I also agree. But when thinking about it, i agree because APEX-style suits are so damaging to the game, allowing players to put significant force ad infinitum onto the field without running much of an ISK risk. Personally i'd rather see them priced at $100. We know from past experience that peeps will run even STD BPOs to avoid/ensure ISK loss/profit. Expanding on better-than-standard BPO dropsuits and adding fitting flexibility(CPU/PG differences notwithstanding) takes players out of Dust's risk-vs-reward ecology. Dust is going to pay a price in immersion for these APEX dropsuits, New Eden is going to be pushed a little farther away from us. What is it CCP gains from APEX? What is it Dust gains from APEX? What is it New Eden gains from APEX? Personally, i'll run ISK dropsuits. Risk vs. reward is what makes Dust different. Looks to me like CCP wants to take the brutal edge off that equation. That's a loss of courage and a lack of faith in what Dust was intended to be. You guys are in danger of re-marketing this unique product all the way to uninteresting. I think apex suits are ok but the customization is a slippery slope. It's cool but I think they need to keep a close eye on them. Also would love some comment on how apex suits fit with advanced or proto weapons contribute to isk payout and salvage.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10048	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:25:00 - [26] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I love the pricing, but maybe that's because I assumed this would be the case and already had over 300k LP in the bank. This doesn't sting nearly as much to you since you have been grinding Amarr FW for months before today. Imagine if you had less than 5k Amarr LP, like many players. Put yourself in their boots. 100k Amarr LP is a long, hard road for a SKIN. There are prices that would have preserved the rarity of the SKINs while not causing near-psychotic-breaks and self harm. : Which is, let's face it, just a paintjob. It's not anything wondrous or amazing. Just a cool color for your merc's dropsuit. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 568	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:25:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Even earning 50k LP feels pretty hard these days. 100k just is.. well a lot.
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4528	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:28:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Half as hard would have been fine... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1373	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:29:00 - [29] - Quote It would take me at least few busy weeks if i would try to grind 100k lp. That much time for a skin is silly. Caldari Loyalist thecreaturehub fan
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 421	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:29:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: it was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Yes but not as much so as a BPO.... BRB, looking for socks PSN: tommygunboy2080 I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives



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