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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.05.12 12:47:00 -
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Okay, real talk, what is going on here? Why are FW SKINs the same price as an APEX? It's a paint job, for chrissakes.
Let's put this into perspective, shall we? Depending on who your favorite faction is, we are talking about weeks of grinding for the ability to turn your dropsuit a different color. First AUR SKINs are $20 and now this.
Some more cost analysis for you... if you want to run a SKIN on every size dropsuit of your favorite race: 30mil ISK + 300k LP
Even for Minmatar FW, that's a good bit of grinding.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 12:56:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Wasn't this expected? The AUR SKINs being $10 a piece should have tipped us off at how disconnected CCP is from cost vs. benefit ratios. I genuinely hoped the FW SKINs were going to be attainable though; 50k LP or so. Perhaps 25k LP + 10mil ISK.
cray cray FISH wrote:FFS i bought a state apex (my 2nd) 4 days ago, why didn't i save that 100k lp... There isn't really much reason to buy the FW SKINs so long as an APEX dropsuit is the same price, to be honest.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 13:04:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It was commonly requested that it would be hard to earn them, I agreed Get an informal poll from players. The majority will recommend something between 25k - 50k LP + 0mil - 5mil ISK. Please, I encourage you to do so. Whoever told you it was okay to make the FW SKINs cost this much needs their head checked.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 13:05:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:also some ISK on it's way to FW, you heard it here first That doesn't stop the LP grind. How many Caldari or Amarr FW matches do you run per week? Do you know how long it takes to get 10k LP as an Amarr or Caldari loyalist, much less 100k LP?
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Posted - 2015.05.12 13:11:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:The coalition of the willing is difficult to muster at times, but maybe you can rouse the hearts of a few for the glory of dem pixels!  At this point we are forced to grind it out. I hate that we are no longer fighting mercenaries, but CCP for the ability enjoy new content added to Dust 514.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 13:17:00 -
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Sardonk Eternia wrote:QFT. I haven't even earned my imperial skin yet but when I do I'll be glad it's not overly common. At least requires a commitment to a faction to earn one. I'm glad some of the coolest content can't be bought, too. It would have been better to implement a minimum Standing level to fit the FW SKINs. That would have denoted commitment without causing FW SKINs to cost this much.
I am glad that the FW SKINs are not available for aurum though. That is a good thing.
Unfortunately, in order to grind for them FW boosters are required so, in effect, they still require aurum.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 13:25:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I love the pricing, but maybe that's because I assumed this would be the case and already had over 300k LP in the bank. This doesn't sting nearly as much to you since you have been grinding Amarr FW for months before today. Imagine if you had less than 5k Amarr LP, like many players. Put yourself in their boots. 100k Amarr LP is a long, hard road for a SKIN*.
There are prices that would have preserved the rarity of the SKINs while not causing near-psychotic-breaks and self harm.
*: Which is, let's face it, just a paintjob. It's not anything wondrous or amazing. Just a cool color for your merc's dropsuit.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 13:50:00 -
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Aidualc wrote:Maybe if Rattati low 50K lp and up to 20,000,000 ISK ... could work, because is only a paint job. not bonuses... The ISK cost can be increased. I don't really mind that part since it acts as an ISK sink. The LP cost is what really pisses me off.
I would accept 50k LP + 20mil ISK, sure.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 14:24:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Just make the requirements be lvl 10 in rank and 50k lp 5million isk. 10 is way too high. I like the idea I saw someone post: three tiers of SKIN. Standing level 3, 6, and 9 or something like that. Each one looks a bit cooler. They all cost similar amounts of ISK/LP, but they have Standing fitting requirements.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 14:41:00 -
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1913 DfLo wrote:The amount should be lowered for a Skin. Both ISK/LP. Too much time needed to grind for a Skin. Did you make sure you cast your vote here: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/ ?
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Posted - 2015.05.12 15:02:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I would have made them require loyalty rank 8-10.
You know, actual faction loyalty That people want to see more of? By the time you accumulated enough victories in Amarr or Caldari FW to reach Standing level 8 - 10 you would have earned far more than 300k LP.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 15:57:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:This, or at least giving a certain discount per level of loyalty to the point of where it's almost free if you're rank 10, because let's face it, those guys need something for their dedication. A price determined by Standing would be interesting. The SKIN starts at 100k LP and 10mil ISK, then decreases by 10% per Standing rank down to free at Standing level 10.
I like that. It would be an incentive to win FW matches instead of AFK for LP.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 16:27:00 -
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Quick update on the poll: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/r
41 votes
38 Reduce the cost
03 Price is fine
00 Increase the cost
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Posted - 2015.05.12 16:33:00 -
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Aidualc wrote:Make a spreadsheet, Rattati loves the smell of a spreadsheet in the morning.  I will, but I want the poll to be open for at least 24 hours first.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 17:27:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:The cheaper you make skins, the less special you get to feel when you wear it. It would still be a challenge to earn 50k LP and 5mil ISK, making FW SKINs a rarer sight that one of the AUR SKINs.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 17:44:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:If you want your skins and apex suits, you should be working for them.... or as I've seen some people do, be prepared to spend a few hundred matches afking through faction warfare. With the 100k LP pricetag being this high you will see more grind fatigue than you would with 50k LP cost, I assure you. AFK'ing continue to be a problem, possibly even worse than before.
Also: https://strawpoll.me/4341661/ vote if you don't mind 
MINA Longstrike wrote:No, it isn't. I get 1600 a win without any boosters for caldari. That's a grand total of 31 wins per skin and I can easily get 10-15 wins IN A DAY if I'm going hard at it. That would make it take less than a week for me to have all the caldari FW skins. And that's great! I'm proud of you. Please realize that your own experiences with FW are a great deal different that your peers though. Amarr and Caldari FW are typically a massive shitshow.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 17:52:00 -
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The Lion ElJonson wrote:great observation skills, did you get them to lvl 3 yet? They are at least as high as your trolling skills, m8
If you are running Gallente or Minmatar then 300k LP isn't much of a hurdle since the greatest challenges Gal/Min FW has to face are long wait times and figuring out where to spend their LP 
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Posted - 2015.05.12 18:12:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Yes, it's a '****** progression treadmill'... only if you don't enjoy the slog. Players who are interested in earning the SKINs will play a handful of matches like they are srsbiz. If they are Amarr or Caldari, getting stomped will wear on them. Eventually grind fatigue sets in. If they still want the SKIN they will semi-AFK, halfass around the match. Hacking unattended objectives or dropping deployable equipment here and there for WPs. Maybe blow up red turrets for their daily missions.
The high price tag on FW SKINs could end up being more of a detriment to FW attendance...
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Posted - 2015.05.12 19:38:00 -
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Bump.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 20:23:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:not for me tho. Once you have the best players in the game as contacts i can get over 30k LP or 50k LP a day with boosters if the ball keeps going. But In reality ive never really cared about FW and probably never will. Well, you've got it made then, homie The rest of us window lickers will just have to slog through months of getting our asses handed to us in Amarr/Caldari FW.
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Posted - 2015.05.13 12:48:00 -
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Ladies and gentlemen,
The poll now sits at: 58 of 65 votes to reduce the ISK/LP cost of FW SKINs
https://strawpoll.me/4341661/r
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Posted - 2015.05.14 12:29:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:If the ISK payouts are fair (equal to Ambush) I'm sure FW will become more popular at all hours. More popular? Yes. It will remain a grindfest for SKINs though.
I have to ask myself, are SKINs this highly priced to encourage FW booster sales? That seems to be the only reason that makes sense, considering player feedback seems to indicate they want more affordable SKINs but CCP Rattati is ignoring them.
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Posted - 2015.05.14 12:41:00 -
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cris bleu wrote:At this price they mean something. They're a medal to be proudly displayed, not just another paint job. Unless the coloration is gaudy (see: Quafe or APEX) I rarely, if ever, notice someone is wearing a SKIN. The SKINs are most important to the wearer, as they will actually see the SKIN the most often. As one of those wearers: I could give less than a damn about how many 100's of thousands of LPs it took to earn the FW SKINs, I just want a neat paintjob for my dropsuits.
The majority of players want FW SKINs to be more easily attained, Rattati. What are you going to do about that?
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Posted - 2015.05.14 12:57:00 -
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cris bleu wrote:If you mean that Apex suits that can be bought for irl cash make them meaningless, yes, I agree. I'm not missing something am aI? I was hoping these SKINs were lp exclusive And you can triple stack FW boosters to reduce the time to earn a FW SKIN. What's your point? You are still spending aurum either way.
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Posted - 2015.05.14 13:18:00 -
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cris bleu wrote:Boosters are a separate argument. They exist for SP too yet many mercs would say that their SP score is meaningful. Who says SP is meaningful? Useful, yes, but meaningful? SP is passively accrued even if you never login to your character. LP is not. You are not comparing apples to apples here.
Boosters are absolutely part of the equation. Triple stack FW boosters then AFK in FW matches and still earn 500-ish LP per match. Occasionally your team might earn a win which will increase your Standing and earn you even more LP for that match. Minimal effort. The "It represents hard work! It's a badge of honor!" argument is null.
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Posted - 2015.05.14 14:41:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Am I missing something? I don't play FW because it doesn't pay out ISK but I sat down the other day to play GFW and went from like 579 LP to like 30,000 LP in a day.
Is it harder in other factions? Amarr and Caldari FW are queue sync shitshows. Gallente and Minmatar are easier and have more participation from higher tier corps.
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Posted - 2015.05.15 00:27:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Except when it's not. I've been in a few today and won 50 percent of them.
Half of the wins we got were stomps and the other half were hard fought wins.
The half I lost were to Proto stomps. I believe I played eight matches today. I won two. Of the two matches I won, one was a stomp* and one was a decent fight where both sides were giving it their all.
To make matters worse, when I fight and I lose my Standing doesn't move at all. Even though I kept trying through the stomp the Amarr don't think I'm loyal enough apparently. Not even a +5 Standing "Thanks for not leaving the match".
*: It felt weird being on the other side of the stomp. I almost felt bad. Then I remember how badly one of the Min FW queue syncs were (officer weapons and dropsuits, logi trains, core locus spam, etc.) and I didn't feel quite as bad.
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Posted - 2015.05.15 00:53:00 -
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Lac Nokomis wrote:Are you fighting the urge to join a FW Q'ing channel? I'm pretty sure its common knowledge to not go at it alone in FW. But it sounds like you do it anyways?
Yeah, broken mechanics, but lets talk solutions instead of the pain, as I think FW players behavior speaks for itself. I don't go in alone, I have a squad put together of corpmates. Sometimes it's just one other person, other times I have a full time, but I do not solo queue FW. I know better than that.
I hate that queue syncing is the only way to consistently earn victories in FW. That seems like a huge flaw in the gamemode itself. Which makes the idea of saving up 100k LP more infuriating.
Also, for those who are just now joining the thread, please cast your vote: https://strawpoll.me/4341661 Is the 100k LP + 10mil ISK price for FW SKINs fair? Should it be decreased? Increased? Let your voice be heard.
Lac Nokomis wrote:After rediscovering my roots and grinding FW for the last week I plead you guys to raise the price.
Of both APEX and the skins. Both are way too low IMO. You shouldn't be able to grind FW for a week with boosters and buy 2 Apex suits. Hmm... without boosters the price is too high, but with boosters it seems attainable. Good catch Lac.
I don't think that is a coincidence.
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Posted - 2015.05.15 12:25:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:However in Dust there is no real way to run and go plexing elsewhere or in a safer, more limited plex, other than leaving the match and trying to re-queue. This right here. The problem with comparing FW in Eve and Dust is that you can choose your level of engagement in Eve to an extent. In Dust you either get participate in the stomp or are stomped. I don't see even matches. Which brings up a good question: Did the matchmaking update get applied to FW? Probably not considering it would add to the already high wait times.
There also isn't an incentive to stay and fight for your faction. New players have a standing 0 with every faction. When they lose a match (which will happen a lot) they will earn 200-ish LPs and 0 Standing. What is the incentive to stay, exactly? Why would anyone play for the faction that loses as often as the Amarr/Caldari?
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Posted - 2015.05.16 14:53:00 -
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Bumping for a few more votes in the poll.
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:33:00 -
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We are at 98 votes guys. Can I get just two more?
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:53:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Maybe we'd of stayed if losing a battle wasn't the most unrewarding thing ever. And this, ladies and genlemercs, is why FW is shite right now. Getting your ass handed to you has absolutely no gain (lol200LPs) so why bother sticking it out. And adding ISK won't provide enough incentive either, Rattati.
Banjo Robertson wrote:Fix FW, then evaluate whether the LP rice needs changed, current FW mechanics I'd say lower it. CCP Rattati seems to believe PC is the marquee feature of Dust 514 and FW is the redheaded step child. Except for potentially adding in ISK rewards I have not heard any improvements coming to FW.
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