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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.14 00:33:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:
Not just sniper kills but all kills over 70m.
That would a number of weapons ... Forge Guns, Scrambler Rifles, Laser Rifles, Rail Rifles, etc. Why 70m?
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Songs of Seraphim
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.05.14 01:34:00 -
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KDR shouldn't be the only metric used; this rather points that the numbers are inconclusive since it only has a narrow variable.
There are plenty of things to skew the data. Hell, I know for a fact that I skewed the data on ADV and PRO Caldari Assaults, as well as PRO Caldari Scouts and Caldari Logistics.
And since someone said "Shield suits aren't UP", try using the Caldari suits without any armor modules.
Try not to die. >:D
As an avid Caldari user, I can explain why each role has the KD it has.
Commando: It is mainly used as a sniping platform. 3 damage mods plus 10% rail damage bonus... Personally, I use it as AV/AI mix, but it has horrendous regen and hitbox for its movement speed.
Sentinel: Great AV platform. And pretty decent with a Six Kin HMG. Again, mostly used for AV with an Ishukone Assault Forge Gun. Great delay times with a regulator, and somewhat mobile.
Scout: No comment other than speed and regen is sublime.
Assault: I feel somewhat personal in skewing the data for this suit. 3 regulators and an Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle plus Kaalakiota Bolt Pistol is no joke at taking out multiple enemies. Other than that, people armor stack it and die off quickly. I hardly ever see any properly fitted Caldari Assaults. I'm even surprised that the suit is ahead of the Gallente Assault, much more when they seem to have the highest KDR. There seldom is a Caldari Assault sniping, as the commando is better suited for it.
Logistics: There ARE a few factors to it. Primarily that seldom anyone uses it, and the few that do... Even when I fit it to support via Uplinks, Scans, and Repair Hives, it has no tank, but low delays and high-ish shield regen. All I know is that there a handful of players who use this suit -- Nelo and myself -- and there are under certain situations in which they are used in.
That's some of my "insight".
Feel free to comment/critique.
Caldari Loyalist
Join Caldari FW via Kirjuun Saaja
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2015.05.14 02:32:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:
Not just sniper kills but all kills over 70m.
That would a number of weapons ... Forge Guns, Scrambler Rifles, Laser Rifles, Rail Rifles, etc. Why 70m?
Exactly. All the long range weapons. And 70m is the optimal range of a rail rifle. Basically, by removing these kills we would only have data showing kills that are reasonably possible by the majority of weapons. The KDR should drop for most of the long range weapons.
You could also just show the kills for weapons under 60m. This should in theory show that there are less long range weapons earning kills at shorter ranges. And you could do the opposite show all kills above 70m and see how weapons perform.
This data shows only suit efficiency. We need weapon data and also to see at what ranges the kills are made. If 60% of forge fun kills are made at 30m then I'd say something is wrong. |
Marcus Stormfire
G.R.A.V.E
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.14 15:49:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:I see my calsent isn't nearly as underpowered as everyone claims.
IN YOUR FACE, HATERS!
We need an emoticon for being smug or gloating.
Oh ... right...
Uh... first?
How the hell did that happen? Calsent is a sniper fit, there is no guarantee that this dropsuit is effective at killing, only that it is either good at killing or not dying (or both).
Thought that the sniper fit was the Calmmando with the damage bonus and reload bonus. If you set up the Calsent right, it is quite effective at killing it is just pretty slow with low stamina regen. I found it is good for medium range support of your team.
-Marcus
-I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
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PLAYSTTION
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.15 02:19:00 -
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LOL Cal logi has highest logi K/D!
Other then that it seems pretty balanced.
Gassault Galogi Galsent
Open Beta Vet - 43 mil sp
Director of Corrosive Synergy
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2015.05.16 00:37:00 -
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Caldari is a surprise across the board for me.
I think a huge chunk was taken out of the protostompers "It isn't the suit, it is the player" argument.
Because, that's why.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.05.20 13:24:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:This data is inaccurate sadly.
There's no info of how many suits were used.
For example.
Sure caldari assault has 3.5+ kdr here but we don't know how many suits were used. Probably not much, that's why the score is at equal level as of the rest.
Because there's way more amarr, gal and min assaults out there and thier KDR is divided by higher number.
inaccurate.. not so much, completely useless .. indeed they are 
With the current playerbase - 15% stompers - 25% dust mercs - 60% those guys we farm WP from killing
It is damn near impossible to gain any accurate data from battle stats, as even in PC most matches are uneven
So a list of blueberries run Am/Ga Assaults, getting stomped daily..
Where the list of them learned the Cal Assault is suicide so they stopped using it
Same for logi - Mn/Ga worse stats - because they are more common...
less Am/Cal get used so the stats are higher than the common suits.
A flaw here is more experienced players are likely to use the less popular suits = better KDR
This is almost as dumb as checking market data to try and see whats more common..
'Aha, they bought 50,000 scouts suits last week, it's poularity is growing'
- No. You imbecile.. they die by the hundreds and need to be restocked often
'The Amarr Assault has low market use, maybe it needs a buff?'
- No. that one suit just lasted 5 battles, no need to restock..
If we keep playing to the numbers.. and not actually playing the game..
I can't believe I'm saying this but it may infact get even worse !! GG
Te Sbundo'd
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gggggggg rrrrrrrrrrrr
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.20 14:20:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Dear data enthusiasts,
here are the average Kill Death Ratios of dropsuits, per race and role for the last 30 days.
The reason why I rigged this up, was to check for myself whether Minsaults are as OP as reported, and it doesn't really look like it.
What I am surprised at, is actually the overall balance of dropsuits, there are a few outliers, f.ex. Galassaults, but I think it's more the weapon, than the suit.
[img]http://puu.sh/hKpgl/5c519a649f.png[/img]
Study, enjoy, comment.
so this is the data that you have used to nerf the caldari logi, AGAIN. It does appear you need to be told that you are WAY wrong with your interpretation of the data as usual, the reason the stats are like the way they are is simple, NO ONE USES THE CALDARI LOGI TO LOGI, NO ONE AT ALL, they just shoot people with it, and why? i hear you ask, well you see it's impossible to fit as a logi suit without using a cpu extender, the only suit in the whole game that is like this, and all you have done by nerfing it is make it harder to logi with, but still fine to kill with, all you have done is hurt those few who use it for what it is intended for, this is just the most recent example of you guys at ccp just missing the point entirely, congratulations, and with the statistical skills that you have it appears you've all missed your calling, y'all should go into politics, cause they too are great at getting the wrong idea from statistical data, i wait with baited breath as to which way you are going to alienate those few of us left that play regularly |
Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.05.21 03:52:00 -
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I love how the Cal-Logi blows the others out of the water, despite it's reputation as the hands down "worst logi".
!--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust on both current Gen consoles--!
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.21 10:18:00 -
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gggggggg rrrrrrrrrrrr wrote:
Strong Derp
So if folks are only using the CalLogi to slay, and are doing so effectively, what do you expect would happen if the CalLogi got a survivability buff?
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Booby Tuesdays
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.21 12:20:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:gggggggg rrrrrrrrrrrr wrote:
Strong Derp
So if folks are only using the CalLogi to slay, and are doing so effectively, what do you expect would happen if the CalLogi got a survivability buff?
You force all equipment slots to be filled on all Logi suits. Won't completely eliminate slaying, but it will help curb it a tad.
That said, I'm not a big fan of forcing fits on people. This would cause me to lose my speed hack Min logi fit. However, if it stops the ignant slayer logi QQ, then I'm all for it. |
MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.05.23 11:31:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:I love how the Cal-Logi blows the others out of the water, despite it's reputation as the hands down "worst logi".
Core locus nades & nanohive spam? Locus Grenades are what, 8nanites each? If using proto hives you can get 9 grenades out per hive... and carrying 6-9 hives (gauged hives carry a stupid amount iirc) that gives you 54-81 core grenades, per spawn.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.23 11:44:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:I love how the Cal-Logi blows the others out of the water, despite it's reputation as the hands down "worst logi". Core locus nades & nanohive spam? Locus Grenades are what, 8nanites each? If using proto hives you can get 9 grenades out per hive... and carrying 6-9 hives (gauged hives carry a stupid amount iirc) that gives you 54-81 core grenades, per spawn.
So you're saying that the calogi is actually the grenadier dropsuit?
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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jace silencerww
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2015.05.24 19:16:00 -
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lol the light suit vs scouts were funny. Minnie basic frames are doing well. however once your in the real scout suit look what happens. both the amarr and Minnie are way behind. I am surprised about the amarr scout is not better but guess the amarr scout players are not using it right. LOL I knew the Minnie scout would be low. even with the few great Minnie nova knivers but with no ewar bonus & lowest pg scout. it is very hard to play. can not run both max shield and speed most Minnie scouts has about 250-275 shield and 9.5-11.12 sprint using proto even less with adv or a joke basic. funny thing even with my Minnie proto scout I have neen ohk by a basic scr at 65 meters while at full ehp. I want to keep the nova knife damage and hacking but need something better. also I mean how many caldari scout or any suits for the matter runs the complex range amp anymore? it was nerfed too hard. from 45% to 15% what a joke. hell any logi suit have almost as good as scan range as a proto caldari scout. lol the logi can beat all the other scouts in scan range. maybe it should have been at 25% for the complex. |
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.25 07:07:00 -
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That's it for now, we will share more data on Dropsuit KDR at a later date.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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