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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22311	Posted - 2015.05.12 09:57:00 - [1] - Quote Dear data enthusiasts, here are the average Kill Death Ratios of dropsuits, per race and role for the last 30 days. The reason why I rigged this up, was to check for myself whether Minsaults are as OP as reported, and it doesn't really look like it. What I am surprised at, is actually the overall balance of dropsuits, there are a few outliers, f.ex. Galassaults, but I think it's more the weapon, than the suit. Study, enjoy, comment. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8654	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:09:00 - [2] - Quote I see my calsent isn't nearly as underpowered as everyone claims. IN YOUR FACE, HATERS! We need an emoticon for being smug or gloating. Oh ... right... Uh... first? How the hell did that happen? There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22314	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:15:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I see my calsent isn't nearly as underpowered as everyone claims. IN YOUR FACE, HATERS! We need an emoticon for being smug or gloating. Oh ... right... Uh... first? How the hell did that happen? Calsent is a sniper fit, there is no guarantee that this dropsuit is effective at killing, only that it is either good at killing or not dying (or both). "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8654	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:18:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I see my calsent isn't nearly as underpowered as everyone claims. IN YOUR FACE, HATERS! We need an emoticon for being smug or gloating. Oh ... right... Uh... first? How the hell did that happen? Calsent is a sniper fit, there is no guarantee that this dropsuit is effective at killing, only that it is either good at killing or not dying (or both). Oh you just took away my birthday. You bastard. I was thinking it was competitive with the HMG/forge. Silly me. I'm also NOT talking about the 7+KD calmando. I use that one for killing snipers. I mean the proto caldari sentinel that slightly edges out the amsent at proto but is slightly behind at ADV/STD There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Miokai Zahou WarRavens 474	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:21:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I see my calsent isn't nearly as underpowered as everyone claims. IN YOUR FACE, HATERS! We need an emoticon for being smug or gloating. Oh ... right... Uh... first? How the hell did that happen? Calsent is a sniper fit, there is no guarantee that this dropsuit is effective at killing, only that it is either good at killing or not dying (or both). Oh you just took away my birthday. You bastard. I was thinking it was competitive with the HMG/forge. Silly me. I'm also NOT talking about the 7+KD calmando. I use that one for killing snipers. I mean the proto caldari sentinel that slightly edges out the amsent at proto but is slightly behind at ADV/STD Don't underestimate the power of the calsent on all levels as it can be far more effective than the peasant armor users out there (cover, use a lot of cover) Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head. pâ+(n+ƒ-ön+ƒ)n+ë
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1047	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:28:00 - [6] - Quote cal assault has the highest rating of all suits... interesting.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 22315	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:36:00 - [7] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: cal assault has the highest rating of all suits... interesting. what the hell fit is on that caldari logi!? that rating is double that of the other racial suits. EDIT: this data is inconclusive. the data is for KDR in a 30 day period. it doesnt show how many battles were fought with each suit. that said if only one guy used a cal commando for one battle to get his 7.22 KDR, then that's what we're looking at here. how many suits were used in this 30 day period for each suit? depends, and I can get it, but I am going to say millions "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12405	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:37:00 - [8] - Quote Interesting. For all the Caldari assaults constantly whining about their poor shields, Caldari assault is doing great compared to other assaults. And Minmatar assault, which is supposed to be the FOTM according to the forums doesn't seem nearly as OP as people claim. I would love to see the KDR chart for the weapons also. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 602	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:38:00 - [9] - Quote Thanks for the data, one question though,does this exclude pilots? ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1047	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:43:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: cal assault has the highest rating of all suits... interesting. what the hell fit is on that caldari logi!? that rating is double that of the other racial suits. EDIT: this data is inconclusive. the data is for KDR in a 30 day period. it doesnt show how many battles were fought with each suit. that said if only one guy used a cal commando for one battle to get his 7.22 KDR, then that's what we're looking at here. how many suits were used in this 30 day period for each suit? depends, and I can get it, but I am going to say millions I'd really like to get a look at the bigger picture. People say that shields are UP but this data says otherwise. I'm thinking there's more going on but I just don't see it in the data. perhaps a pie chart showing the percentage of all suits used would be sufficient? then we could get a better idea of what people are running if those KDR's are realistic
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 1174	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:47:00 - [11] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: what the hell fit is on that caldari logi!? that rating is double that of the other racial suits. Snipers. Some brainstorming about why we see so similar kdrs even though performance subjectively varies wildly: I assume there's a non-independency between player behavior and suit power. Players will only use a suit of tier x if they can manage a kdr (or 'performance') of y with it. If certain suits only achieve this performance in very small nieches then the suit is consumed less, rather than having a lower kdr. Basically players are adjusting usage to fit for a certain desired performance that is based off ISK sustainability.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8655	Posted - 2015.05.12 10:50:00 - [12] - Quote Calassaults have the most high slots for sniper ririfle damage mods plus an extender or recharger. You can get higher damage values than a calmando and be more mobile. Most calassaults die like chumps in rifle fights. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Haerr The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2897	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:09:00 - [13] - Quote Neat! Would you mind giving us War Points per Death as well?
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16621	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:11:00 - [14] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Calassaults have the most high slots for sniper ririfle damage mods plus an extender or recharger. You can get higher damage values than a calmando and be more mobile. Most calassaults die like chumps in rifle fights. I only see standard/advanced Cal Assault snipers. Everyone using proto snipers tends to run a highly bricked Calmando from my experience. Either that or a Logi for both uplinks and nanohives. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Knightshade Belladonna Kentucky Fried Clones 1491	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:16:00 - [15] - Quote so what exactly is these cal logis doing out there to get such a greater kdr over other logis? I always hear it's a crap logi..apparently the best slayer though heh
Imp Splat On The Brink CRONOS. 3	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:20:00 - [16] - Quote Glad to see data of this nature. It does not, however, give us an idea of how said suits are being used. Ratta, we could infer a LOT of info if you also added the total kills and/or total deaths to this. For example, Cal Commandos: Relatively few kills compared to other commandos but that KDR would imply sniping. It would be an exhaustive amount of work to break KDR down by gun so I'm not asking that. But ya, simply putting total kills by suit with the KDR would mean a lot.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1047	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:22:00 - [17] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: so what exactly is these cal logis doing out there to get such a greater kdr over other logis? I always hear it's a crap logi..apparently the best slayer though heh idk. im lost on that one myself. nade spam maybe? use core nades with protohives and youd never run out
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16621	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:24:00 - [18] - Quote Cal Logi is indeed interesting, and I would recommend Rattati to look at why its K/DR is what it is. "Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - *Cat wisdom*
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 10030	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:40:00 - [19] - Quote Edit: read the wrong stats. Was looking at the medium frames. @Ripley_Riley "Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Edgar Reinhart Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 101	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:40:00 - [20] - Quote Also have to bear in mind that if there are only 2 people running eg Cal Logi but are really good at what they do, that's going to throw these stats off a wee bit too.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12407	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:42:00 - [21] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Edit: read the wrong stats. Was looking at the medium frames. Maybe you should take a better look at the numbers again, and make sure you're reading the right rows because what you just said is clearly false. EDIT: I guess you edited your post just in time. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 5154	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:43:00 - [22] - Quote When I look at these statistics to me it shows the increasing need for tieracide or at least a soft tieracide like flattening slot progression. The disparity between basic, advanced, and proto tier suits seems far too great. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8657	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:47:00 - [23] - Quote Either way. Any chance we can get a chart with the most common weapon for each suit and the K/D for that suit and weapon combo? I have a feeling that it might not be tlqhat most expect or there are outliers who break the curve. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Haerr The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2898	Posted - 2015.05.12 11:59:00 - [24] - Quote Would be interesting to see a full range of: Dropsuit :: Dropsuit Tier :: Weapon :: Weapon Tier :: VS.Dropsuit :: VS.Dropsuit Tier But Weapon :: Weapon Tier :: VS.Dropsuit :: VS.Dropsuit Tier would be cool too
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10077	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:25:00 - [25] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Cal Logi is indeed interesting, and I would recommend Rattati to look at why its K/DR is what it is. Drop-and-Forget nature of Logi focus (nanohives) allows it to focus more on combat. Kinda hard to have your KDR impacted when you have a weapon in your hands as opposed to an Active Scanner or Repair Tool. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8663	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:32:00 - [26] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cal Logi is indeed interesting, and I would recommend Rattati to look at why its K/DR is what it is. Drop-and-Forget nature of Logi focus (nanohives) allows it to focus more on combat. Kinda hard to have your KDR impacted when you have a weapon in your hands as opposed to an Active Scanner or Repair Tool. Bonus to repair hives. Rifles in hand. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6518	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:35:00 - [27] - Quote Since Large Commando Frame is the suit of choice for Snipers, 7.22 KDR for that suit at Proto makes sense. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1007	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:37:00 - [28] - Quote Cal. mando= sniper, thats why it has a 7+ KD Cal. assault= camping at long range with a rail rifle doesnt mean that it is competetive Cal. logi= no idea how the heck thats so high i literally allmost never see any 1 running around with it. Cal. sentinel= for slaying scrubs a great suit however infeorior vs a bricktanked amarr sentinel that has a logi behind him For the assault and logi i think the only reason why thats so high is that before the other assaults have beeing introduced it was the only Assault suit of its kind. The logi K/D can be explained by back in the day it was massively spammed and misused as a slayer suit in pubs and PC. So overall i think that data is way too old to be reliable. It would be more accurate if you show the K/D ratio over a 30 day timeframe instead of all time. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9608	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:43:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The reason why I rigged this up, was to check for myself whether Minsaults are as OP as reported, and it doesn't really look like it. Assumption Right now, 2000 vets are running Prototype Assaults. 500 are running Assault gk.0. 1,500 are running Assault mk.0. Of the 500 running Assault gk.0, 250 are fair shooters and 250 are good shooters. Of the 500 running Assault mk.0, 500 are bad, 500 are fair and 500 are good. Count - Skill - KDR 500 - Bad - 2 500 - Fair - 3 500 - Good - 5 Average mk.0 KDR ~ 3.3 Count - Skill - KDR 0 - Bad - N/A 250 - Fair - 2.5 250 - Good - 4.1 Average gk.0 KDR ~ 3.3 Question If this scenario were true, could we cite it as indication that Assault gk.0 and Assault mk.0 are perfectly in balance? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6518	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:44:00 - [30] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Interesting. For all the Caldari assaults constantly whining about their poor shields, Caldari assault is doing great compared to other assaults. And Minmatar assault, which is supposed to be the FOTM according to the forums doesn't seem nearly as OP as people claim. I would love to see the KDR chart for the weapons also. The Min Assault has the least health of any Assault suit, so in the hands of the incompetent masses it will get more deaths. The number of people who use the Min Assault to its full advantage and do well with it is such a small number overall that they don't impact the numbers all that greatly even when they pull big numbers individually. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

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