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Posted - 2015.05.12 12:43:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:
The reason why I rigged this up, was to check for myself whether Minsaults are as OP as reported, and it doesn't really look like it.
Assumption
Right now, 2000 vets are running Prototype Assaults. 500 are running Assault gk.0. 1,500 are running Assault mk.0. Of the 500 running Assault gk.0, 250 are fair shooters and 250 are good shooters. Of the 500 running Assault mk.0, 500 are bad, 500 are fair and 500 are good.
Count - Skill - KDR
500 - Bad - 2
500 - Fair - 3
500 - Good - 5
Average mk.0 KDR ~ 3.3
Count - Skill - KDR
0 - Bad - N/A
250 - Fair - 2.5
250 - Good - 4.1
Average gk.0 KDR ~ 3.3
Question
If this scenario were true, could we cite it as indication that Assault gk.0 and Assault mk.0 are perfectly in balance?
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Posted - 2015.05.12 12:59:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:You also have to take into account for all the scrub players that want to be Good so they chased FoTM as well.
This is my thinking as well (kind of) on usage rates. Is it not possible that a disproportionately high number of "bads" are running MN Assault and artificially deflating its KDR?
I suspect there's more at play here then what this set of numbers is telling us, as these numbers do not jive with months of elevated usage rates and months of forum feedback.
Suggestion: We could filter out a high percentage of bads (and snipers) from the data by looking at PC usage and efficiency rates rather than global efficiency rates.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 13:46:00 -
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Parsed for your viewing pleasure:
Google Doc
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Posted - 2015.05.12 15:08:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Noticed the caldari logi AND assault top the chart. BOTH suits I run.
Personally suspect that KDR for all Caldari units are inflated on account of snipers.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 15:46:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:
Good point, I went on a sniping spree yesterday with my cal assault and did maintain a very positive KDR. I tend to when running my suit in the assault function too though, but not nearly as often.
Same here, especially in Ambush. If my scoutly arse is getting kicked or scanned, I swap out my MN/GA Scout for a CA Scout, and often "wait out" the rest of the match sniping. Same goes if the bulk of the enemy opts to megablob or rooftop camp.
The CalScout numbers fit this narrative. The CalScout numbers also fit the broken hitbox narrative.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 16:04:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Not enough for data to back up all the 'MIN ASSAULT IS SOO OP' threads.
http://dust.thang.dk/market_tryhardinator.php
^ All day, every day MN Assault outsells all else.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 16:47:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:No matter how many were sold if its was OP as people claim it should have the highest KD.
It isn't.
That isn't necessarily true. If this report were restricted it to the top X% of performers, then you would be correct. We're looking at averages here, not distributions.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 19:40:00 -
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RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:The Caldari logi... is the stat based on 3 years ago when the Caldari was the Killer Bee and all assaults ran it as well... could be something there.
CCP Rattati wrote:
... for the last 30 days.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 19:46:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:OMFG this is the funniest thread I've read lately.
People are crying about caldari suits being UP, when at the proto level, they have the best KD
We know that snipers occupy an uniquely high KDR bracket and that snipers favor Caldari suits. Is it not reasonable to assume that these Caldari KDR statistics are being inflated by outliers?
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Posted - 2015.05.12 21:50:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:OMFG this is the funniest thread I've read lately.
People are crying about caldari suits being UP, when at the proto level, they have the best KD We know that snipers occupy an uniquely high KDR bracket and that snipers favor Caldari suits. Is it not reasonable to assume that these Caldari KDR statistics are being inflated by outliers? For a few samples, specifically the Calmando, I completely agree. In others, though? The Callogi?
No idea what's up the CalLogi; if pressed to guess, I'd say something to do with myofibs. Either way, if this were my dataset to manipulate, I'd remove from it kills from sniper rifles. Why let an easily removed outlier affect interpretation?
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Posted - 2015.05.13 03:17:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Lol and people laughed at me when I said the assaults were more or less balanced.
More or less balanced against what?
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Posted - 2015.05.13 12:32:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:
I agree that KDR isn't the sole metric to go by. At the same time i'm seeing a lot of people on these forums rejecting this data because of thier own personal opions, more or less along the lines of 'it killed me it must be OP', or 'its popular it must be OP'.
All in all its looking at the data backward. Instead of
'here's the data what is OP and what isnt'
we have
'the Minmatar Assault is OP! Where is the data to justify this? But- i've been complaining how could i have been wrong and the data be right? Must find another source'
hence my 'SUCK IT NERDS' comment. Because there are few trhings i hate more than the second line of reasoning. Screw the emotional state of the forums and screw PC, that is no way to balance dust at all.
CCP Rattati writes:
Here's some data. Study, comment, enjoy.
Others write:
Observations on population makeup, averages vs distributions, effects of outliers, etc.
Tesfa Alem writes:
SUCK IT NERDS!
What Tesfa really wants is for others to learn to be logical and reasonable, just like him.
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Posted - 2015.05.14 00:33:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:
Not just sniper kills but all kills over 70m.
That would a number of weapons ... Forge Guns, Scrambler Rifles, Laser Rifles, Rail Rifles, etc. Why 70m?
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Posted - 2015.05.21 10:18:00 -
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gggggggg rrrrrrrrrrrr wrote:
Strong Derp
So if folks are only using the CalLogi to slay, and are doing so effectively, what do you expect would happen if the CalLogi got a survivability buff?
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