Actually, everyone here is wrong. The reason reason...

At Proto:
Minmatar: 4High + 4Low + 4Equipment = 12
Gallente: 3H + 5L + 4E = 12
Caldari: 5H + 4L + 3E = 12
Amarr: 3H + 5L + 3E = 11

Amarr had one less slot at proto compared to the rest, so they gave the proto amarr logi the sidearm to make up for it...then sometime later they decided to buff the amarr logi and give it to standard and advanced to make the sidearm its "unique" factor.

Edit: I can't remember if the Amarr logi used to only have 4 lows, or if that was the assault suit...but either way this is the actual reason for it.

Rattati at one point asked the logi community if they wanted to remove the sidearm and fix the horrid logi progression (gallente logi only having 2 lows at basic, caldari adv->proto going from 3H 2L -> 5H 4L, etc), but because he also proposed nerfing logi speed and some other things, the logi community bitched at him instead of providing feedback and we never got that update >.>

The way I see it, if you remove the sidearm you need to add a high slot or an equipment...since both of those options seem weird for the Amarr logi, we might as well just let it keep the sidearm. Or heck, why not also take away the 4th low slot from the Cal Logi and give it a sidearm too, since it only has 3 equipment.

Amarr logi bonus should be heat reduction and the current uplink bonus ...

If anyone has a side arm its the Caldari .

(pro)
Ama logi has 3 equipment, one side arm.
Cal logi has 3 equipment, most fitting slots (low resources)
Gal logi has 4 equipment, loses a high slot for equipment.
Min logi is balanced all around.

Wow

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Philosophically speaking, the amarr are the stand and fight. The gal are the strike hard and retreat, the cal are the long range and the min are the hit and run. The amarr logi having a sidearm makes sense from this alone, coupled with the fact they toss an eq and 2 slots to have the sidearm, its really not the sweetest deal out there. The gal and min have too good of a slot layout to warrant a sidearm, and the cal albeit the worst logi, doesnt really spring from the combat style to warrant having one. I, as an almost full time logi don't personally care who has a sidearm and who doesnt, but they should have to suffer from the penalty the same as the amarr. Take away the sidearm and give me more slots, idgaf either way tbh. It isn't like the suit is overpowered.

I have consistently asked this to be fixed but the logis keep protesting.

Inversely they do not want any other logis to have a sidearm which makes me think there is something amiss with the class generally.

This is only in my personal opinion.

The Amarr logi is the only one that does not have bonuses to passively defending itself through the nature of its job.

Minmatar - bonus to rep tool keeping everyone around them alive as a defense.

Caldari - bonus to ammo and repair of people around them from nanohives.

Gallente - bonus to scans keeping everyone lit up so that they can actively evade as well as make the people scanned more likely to die.

Amarr - Well if everyone dies they may or may not be back in a few seconds depending on if the links got popped or if they want to spawn there. You can argue that team mates are able to spawn faster thus giving a passive defense in that way but this only feeds clones once they are already dead and those people are now lost for atleast some amount of time while in other cases they are not.



There are also other factors such as their movement speeds and passive scans that come into play but I see the above list as the primary reason that it is fair and balanced that the Amarr logi has a sidearm. Ultimately logi suits are about surviving and helping your team survive and the Amarr logi is the only one who does not have an equipment bonus in line with this. Why is it not fair that an Amarr logi atleast has a slightly better chance of defending his uplinks while team members try to spawn back in and keep the fight going.

This is only my 2 ISK and was probably not the exact line of thinking when the suit was created but whatever reasons lead to it I think it worked out very well.

The Amarr logi barely even has an equipment bonus!


I've dropped viziam flux uplinks with a few different racial suits and each time it's always a three second spawn.
Even with my proto amarr logi, I cannot get that uplink to drop below three seconds. I also realize that there is another bonus to spawns per link, but really how usefull is that? Links don't last....unless of course you are in one of those boring battles.

So let em have their sidearm, it's really the only thing that makes the suit worth running.

Seriously... please give me a constructive answer...

Light weapons are for a last line of defense if their assaults and sentinels drop. The grenades could go too, if I'm being honest.

You keep your hands of my grenade slot.

I, also, almost exclusively logi and I don't need or want a side arm slot, but stay away from my fluxes.

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I know losing the grenade slot isn't a popular opinion. Really the only thing I consider a necessity to balance logis is for the Amarr to lose it's sidearm. After that we can move forward with balancing the logis.

Side note: you guys need more survivability; eHP, walk speed, something.

Seriously... please give me a constructive answer...

"Hit and run" and "strike hard and retreat" are the same thing, and neither apply to the gallente- the gallente are "Be on top of their ass dishing out damage before they know what's going on"

Logis don't need a sidearm. Anyone attempting to throw the "Amarr are the combat logi" argument at you needs to walk on off.

Logis are not a combat anything. They are a support role and should be treated as such. Remove the sidearm from the Amarr logi, and while you are at it, give them all logis a small buff to eHP and maybe walk speed (but not sprint).

-Sincerely, a diehard fan of the Amarr dropsuits

I do not mean to derail the thread but this is why CPM stands to be a flawed system.

You have now openly stated that you are lobbying for something AGAINST what the community is saying. Almost no one says anything about this and obviously CCP has even accepted that there is not a problem but you continue to push your agenda with little to no backing from the community which you are suppose to represent.

OP asked a simple question and never even said there was actually a problem with it himself and you just used his thread and a sounding board to attempt to push your agenda. Not only that you could not even state what the problem is.


How about instead of bickering over what you feel is an imbalance you do what you were elected to do and try to get some community feedback on what needs to be done to balance all logis with the rest of the field. This is what the rest of the CPM are doing. They not only present them self as being passionate about the game but passionate about what the community wants to see.

Thanks you for being constructive. I appreciate. This wasn't sarcasm. But my last sentence was sarasm. Use your brain, if you have one, to understand what I mean by this.