DUST Search - Why are Amar Logis the only ones to have a sidearm in all logistics?

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Reign Omega wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

I have consistently asked this to be fixed but the logis keep protesting.

Inversely they do not want any other logis to have a sidearm which makes me think there is something amiss with the class generally.

Philosophically speaking, the amarr are the stand and fight. The gal are the strike hard and retreat, the cal are the long range and the min are the hit and run. The amarr logi having a sidearm makes sense from this alone, coupled with the fact they toss an eq and 2 slots to have the sidearm, its really not the sweetest deal out there. The gal and min have too good of a slot layout to warrant a sidearm, and the cal albeit the worst logi, doesnt really spring from the combat style to warrant having one. I, as an almost full time logi don't personally care who has a sidearm and who doesnt, but they should have to suffer from the penalty the same as the amarr. Take away the sidearm and give me more slots, idgaf either way tbh. It isn't like the suit is overpowered.

Amarr logi bonus should be heat reduction and magazine size then...

If anyone has a side arm its the minmatar.

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Koldy Lyte Marven DUST University Ivy League 61	Posted - 2015.04.21 03:44:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously... please give me a constructive answer... ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 530	Posted - 2015.04.21 03:46:00 - [2] - Quote Because space magic. Sandwich maker LVL. 5 You've been like by Twelve Gauge = her grabbing your @$$. My like button is back. C:<
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6133	Posted - 2015.04.21 03:47:00 - [3] - Quote Hmm, thought they changed that. They wanted Amarr logis to be frontline-y to fit the amarr. Why it's just the Amarr and not Gallente is beyond me. Perhaps it's because they figured the plasma pistol is worthless anyway. Some details can be ignored
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6133	Posted - 2015.04.21 03:48:00 - [4] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: Because space magic. It's called biotics! Gawd. Some details can be ignored
Koldy Lyte Marven DUST University Ivy League 61	Posted - 2015.04.21 03:48:00 - [5] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: Because space magic. Thanks you for being constructive. I appreciate. This wasn't sarcasm. But my last sentence was sarasm. Use your brain, if you have one, to understand what I mean by this. ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 16019	Posted - 2015.04.21 03:49:00 - [6] - Quote Because old CCP did stuff without even thinking, and people got attached to that. Nothing more than that. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 982	Posted - 2015.04.21 03:50:00 - [7] - Quote They're considered the combat logi, if you feel this is "unfair" be happy to know they're only good at ADV level. PIE Lasers4life "See these marks... Don't overheat your gun"
Koldy Lyte Marven DUST University Ivy League 61	Posted - 2015.04.21 03:52:00 - [8] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: They're considered the combat logi, if you feel this is "unfair" be happy to know they're only good at ADV level. Well I'd like Matars to be combat Logis too. Sometimes, I struggle to kill a scout with my RS-90, and I don't like the BK-42, so I just wish I had my SMG. ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 531	Posted - 2015.04.21 04:37:00 - [9] - Quote Koldy Lyte Marven wrote: Twelve Guage wrote: Because space magic. Thanks you for being constructive. I appreciate. This wasn't sarcasm. But my last sentence was sarasm. Use your brain, if you have one, to understand what I mean by this. Brain module not found. Sandwich maker LVL. 5 You've been like by Twelve Gauge = her grabbing your @$$. My like button is back. C:<
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19347	Posted - 2015.04.21 04:55:00 - [10] - Quote I have consistently asked this to be fixed but the logis keep protesting. Inversely they do not want any other logis to have a sidearm which makes me think there is something amiss with the class generally. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked

Tectonic Fusion 2373	Posted - 2015.04.21 05:03:00 - [11] - Quote To make the game more dynamic. Just like how the sucky versions of the gal and cal have 1 or 2 less slots than the amarr and min. (GIF)
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1419	Posted - 2015.04.21 05:48:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I have consistently asked this to be fixed but the logis keep protesting. Inversely they do not want any other logis to have a sidearm which makes me think there is something amiss with the class generally. Philosophically speaking, the amarr are the stand and fight. The gal are the strike hard and retreat, the cal are the long range and the min are the hit and run. The amarr logi having a sidearm makes sense from this alone, coupled with the fact they toss an eq and 2 slots to have the sidearm, its really not the sweetest deal out there. The gal and min have too good of a slot layout to warrant a sidearm, and the cal albeit the worst logi, doesnt really spring from the combat style to warrant having one. I, as an almost full time logi don't personally care who has a sidearm and who doesnt, but they should have to suffer from the penalty the same as the amarr. Take away the sidearm and give me more slots, idgaf either way tbh. It isn't like the suit is overpowered. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6186	Posted - 2015.04.21 05:51:00 - [13] - Quote Jelly aren't you?!?! (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1936	Posted - 2015.04.21 06:17:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Because old CCP did stuff without even thinking, and people got attached to that. Nothing more than that. It was actually planned when the other (non-min) logis were introduced. That also was reason why Amarr Logi was lacking for so so long. Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6137	Posted - 2015.04.21 13:28:00 - [15] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I have consistently asked this to be fixed but the logis keep protesting. Inversely they do not want any other logis to have a sidearm which makes me think there is something amiss with the class generally. Philosophically speaking, the amarr are the stand and fight. The gal are the strike hard and retreat, the cal are the long range and the min are the hit and run. The amarr logi having a sidearm makes sense from this alone, coupled with the fact they toss an eq and 2 slots to have the sidearm, its really not the sweetest deal out there. The gal and min have too good of a slot layout to warrant a sidearm, and the cal albeit the worst logi, doesnt really spring from the combat style to warrant having one. I, as an almost full time logi don't personally care who has a sidearm and who doesnt, but they should have to suffer from the penalty the same as the amarr. Take away the sidearm and give me more slots, idgaf either way tbh. It isn't like the suit is overpowered. "Hit and run" and "strike hard and retreat" are the same thing, and neither apply to the gallente- the gallente are "Be on top of their ass dishing out damage before they know what's going on" Some details can be ignored
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9477	Posted - 2015.04.21 13:43:00 - [16] - Quote Logis don't need a sidearm. Anyone attempting to throw the "Amarr are the combat logi" argument at you needs to walk on off. Logis are not a combat anything. They are a support role and should be treated as such. Remove the sidearm from the Amarr logi, and while you are at it, give them all logis a small buff to eHP and maybe walk speed (but not sprint). -Sincerely, a diehard fan of the Amarr dropsuits @Ripley_Riley
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2680	Posted - 2015.04.21 13:44:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I have consistently asked this to be fixed but the logis keep protesting. Inversely they do not want any other logis to have a sidearm which makes me think there is something amiss with the class generally. The sidearm is nice, but I find the biggest perk of having a proto amarr logi is the powergrid and cpu. A lot of the old argument was situated around their need to protect uplinks (and themselves) in order to keep their bonus active. If their reduction to spawn time and increased spawns weren't lost on death, amarr logi's would probably be considerably more amicable to losing the sidearm for an additional slot. That said, I think many logi's would favor 4 equipment over sidearm. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Elpedo Hughes Intara Direct Action Caldari State 42	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:01:00 - [18] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Logis don't need a sidearm. Anyone attempting to throw the "Amarr are the combat logi" argument at you needs to walk on off. Logis are not a combat anything. They are a support role and should be treated as such. Remove the sidearm from the Amarr logi, and while you are at it, give them all logis a small buff to eHP and maybe walk speed (but not sprint). -Sincerely, a diehard fan of the Amarr dropsuits Why do they all have Light weapon and Grenade slots if they're not combat anything?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 19349	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:03:00 - [19] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I have consistently asked this to be fixed but the logis keep protesting. Inversely they do not want any other logis to have a sidearm which makes me think there is something amiss with the class generally. Philosophically speaking, the amarr are the stand and fight. The gal are the strike hard and retreat, the cal are the long range and the min are the hit and run. The amarr logi having a sidearm makes sense from this alone, coupled with the fact they toss an eq and 2 slots to have the sidearm, its really not the sweetest deal out there. The gal and min have too good of a slot layout to warrant a sidearm, and the cal albeit the worst logi, doesnt really spring from the combat style to warrant having one. I, as an almost full time logi don't personally care who has a sidearm and who doesnt, but they should have to suffer from the penalty the same as the amarr. Take away the sidearm and give me more slots, idgaf either way tbh. It isn't like the suit is overpowered. Amarr logi bonus should be heat reduction and magazine size then... If anyone has a side arm its the minmatar. CPM 1, Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= ADV HAVs =// Unlocked
hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 774	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:06:00 - [20] - Quote Because its friken awesome that's why. And for those with no points in amarr logis, becuase of equiptment slots, their suit bonus, CPU/pg you can only use them effectivly at proto level to logi, unlike the min where you can be effective in a sevr bpo. Low and behold the real reason why this thread is made is because a minlogi wants a sidearm to slay stuff on top of his suit bonus. If they now could only fix the amount carried for proto hives the cal logi might finally be a contender.

hold that Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 774	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:08:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I have consistently asked this to be fixed but the logis keep protesting. Inversely they do not want any other logis to have a sidearm which makes me think there is something amiss with the class generally. Philosophically speaking, the amarr are the stand and fight. The gal are the strike hard and retreat, the cal are the long range and the min are the hit and run. The amarr logi having a sidearm makes sense from this alone, coupled with the fact they toss an eq and 2 slots to have the sidearm, its really not the sweetest deal out there. The gal and min have too good of a slot layout to warrant a sidearm, and the cal albeit the worst logi, doesnt really spring from the combat style to warrant having one. I, as an almost full time logi don't personally care who has a sidearm and who doesnt, but they should have to suffer from the penalty the same as the amarr. Take away the sidearm and give me more slots, idgaf either way tbh. It isn't like the suit is overpowered. Amarr logi bonus should be heat reduction and magazine size then... If anyone has a side arm its the minmatar. Dam man you make some of the worse suggestions possible.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 9481	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:13:00 - [22] - Quote Elpedo Hughes wrote: Why do they all have Light weapon and Grenade slots if they're not combat anything? Light weapons are for a last line of defense if their assaults and sentinels drop. The grenades could go too, if I'm being honest. @Ripley_Riley
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 266	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:17:00 - [23] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I have consistently asked this to be fixed but the logis keep protesting. Inversely they do not want any other logis to have a sidearm which makes me think there is something amiss with the class generally. Amarr Logi here...I'm not opposed to other logis getting sidearms...provided that having a sidearm has a reasonable penalty associated with it (For instance, having a sidearm means -1 Equipment slot...would even be in favor of having two types of logi suits for everyone) Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3854	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:19:00 - [24] - Quote Because it is "balanced around Prototype." I am not going to get into the philosophy of the races because if I can't Passive Tank any suit to take sustained damage like even a Raven can, it does not apply over to DUST that well. Same goes for the idea of "hit and run" when the TTK on most suits is less than 2 seconds; it just becomes a matter of "who is faster?" and "who takes a half second longer to kill?" I think some of the issues in DUST exist because of developers trying to put EVE style ship philosophy into Dropsuits. If you refer to the link, you can see that the Logistics lay out makes some semblance of sense. Minmatar are 4/4 and Gallente are 3/5. They both have 4 equipment making out to 12 slots. Caldari is 5/4 with 3 equipment, makes out to 12. Amarr has 3/4 with 3 Equipment and a Sidearm, makes out to 11. It is just a matter if a sidearm is worthless more or less than a low slot and an equipment slot. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 1517	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:24:00 - [25] - Quote In before elitist Amarr logi.... hold that wrote: Because its friken awesome that's why. And for those with no points in amarr logis, becuase of equiptment slots, their suit bonus, CPU/pg you can only use them effectivly at proto level to logi, unlike the min where you can be effective in a sevr bpo. Low and behold the real reason why this thread is made is because a minlogi wants a sidearm to slay stuff on top of his suit bonus. If they now could only fix the amount carried for proto hives the cal logi might finally be a contender. Dammit. IF YOU CAN READ THIS YOU DON'T NEED GLASSES
Mex-0 569	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:31:00 - [26] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: Because space magic. Wow much constructive BWAH
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5377	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:36:00 - [27] - Quote Actually, everyone here is wrong. The reason reason... At Proto: Minmatar: 4High + 4Low + 4Equipment = 12 Gallente: 3H + 5L + 4E = 12 Caldari: 5H + 4L + 3E = 12 Amarr: 3H + 5L + 3E = 11 Amarr had one less slot at proto compared to the rest, so they gave the proto amarr logi the sidearm to make up for it...then sometime later they decided to buff the amarr logi and give it to standard and advanced to make the sidearm its "unique" factor. Edit: I can't remember if the Amarr logi used to only have 4 lows, or if that was the assault suit...but either way this is the actual reason for it. Rattati at one point asked the logi community if they wanted to remove the sidearm and fix the horrid logi progression (gallente logi only having 2 lows at basic, caldari adv->proto going from 3H 2L -> 5H 4L, etc), but because he also proposed nerfing logi speed and some other things, the logi community bitched at him instead of providing feedback and we never got that update >.> The way I see it, if you remove the sidearm you need to add a high slot or an equipment...since both of those options seem weird for the Amarr logi, we might as well just let it keep the sidearm. Or heck, why not also take away the 4th low slot from the Cal Logi and give it a sidearm too, since it only has 3 equipment. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Sleepy Shadow Qualified Scrub 324	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:38:00 - [28] - Quote Caldari should have a sidearm too. Amarr and Caldari bonus relies on dropping equipment so they are both more GÇ£combat orientatedGÇ¥ than the other two. Amarr already gives up two slots to have that sidearm, pretty steep but still worth it. Feel free to take it away, but I expect to be refunded all the SP I put in it. I chose Amarr logi for 2 reasons; sidearm and a bonus to armour repair modules. One of them has already been removed, remove the other, and you will have to refund me my SP so I can choose another logi. =ƒÿ¦
VALCORE72 Vengeance Unbound RUST415 300	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:39:00 - [29] - Quote it was changed cause that class was better at assault then assaults . with the nerfs to them might be better they all get there side arm back. asian haters united lol .
Sleepy Shadow Qualified Scrub 324	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:41:00 - [30] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Actually, everyone here is wrong. The reason reason... At Proto: Minmatar: 4High + 4Low + 4Equipment = 12 Gallente: 3H + 5L + 4E = 12 Caldari: 5H + 4L + 3E = 12 Amarr: 3H + 5L + 3E = 11 Amarr only has 4 low slots. 3H + 4L + 3E = 10 It climbs to 11 slots with the sidearm. So it is one slot short from all the other logis. =ƒÿ¦



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