What do you mean real logi? Just because it has a side arm doesn't automatically not make it a logi.

Dunno why do the amarrians have the only medic in the game? Shouldn't that be a gallente thing?

If they did I'd be the same bull just different people... The Amarr logi has a bonus that disappears as soon as it dies which is pointless because you will die in this slow ass suit.

Dunno why do the amarrians have the only medic in the game? Shouldn't that be a gallente thing?

And letting the side arm get in the way of fixing that is excusable?

During the great slot rebalancing of 2014 (2013? - I forget) all other classes were balanced as to slot layout. The logistics class was put in the backlog of things to come around to balance.

The community could not come to a consensus on how to balance all the logis as a group. Though many viable options were presented. Since that time there have been several constructive Logistics Balancing threads and many attempts by the logi community and the CPMs Cross Atu, Sir Manboy, and almost CPM Pokey Dravon - along with many strong Logibros - to bring balance to the class and each race.

Slot count, slot progression, side arms, bonuses and many other statistics are debated. CCP has yet to return comments, present a plan, or dictate what the changes will be. CPM's communication is relied upon to assure this small community that the dev's are aware of the situation.

As to a fix... there is no telling when or what it will be.



The Amarr sidearm was an outlier in the beginning and the price was a Low slot and and Equipment slot. The price is too high, and the arguments that with only 2EQ at standard level mean that any scout is basically a better logi as the bonus is not that great (as has been laid out) and speed tanking proves better than raw HP in many cases.

As Time went on and Bandwidth was introduced a classification of logis as Active and Defending logi types came into play with Caldari and Amarr being the defenders.... we know all this.

BASICALLY - Amarrr started with a sidearm to be an Assault/Logi Hybrid to have the all drawbacks of being a logi while having the benefit of 1 more equipment slot than the assault (2 at ADV and PRO). We've been awaiting a balancing of Logis for 2+ years and it has yet to take place. That is way the Amarr has a sidearm. If it will keep it or if other Logis will get it is unknown. But that is the why.

Figure this may be a good time for me to rally the "Logi should ONLY have a sidearm!" Foil brigade.....

Lets be objective across the board for this shall we?

Every suit can use light weapons, and grenades as well as high and low modules.
Sentinel is the only heavy weapon user, but they dont have eq.
Logi don't have sidearm (Save for Amarr).
Commando have 2 lights.

This is about the long and short of variation, any suit can pretty much equip anything else At the risk of gimping the suit.

Cloaks are supposed to be for scouts, but I can squeeze it on any suit with eq.
any suit can use a sidearm in its light or heavy weapon slot.
any suit can fit any eq with no penalty, just no bonus.
Any suit can pilot any vehicle without hinderance.
I can damp any suit to get below most ewar, save for heavy frames

So essentially the only REAL diversity in the game is?

My point being, we should be striving for some uniqueness among all the suits and class types. Weapon bonuses, damage resistance, equipment bonus, fitting reduction, specialization, etc. We should be attempting to widen the space between suits, even of the same type.... not just hammering the mold and slapping modules on for variety.

I worry some of your new ideas may lead to more slayer logis than the amarr sidearm does now IWS, but I do agree the uniqueness of logis should come from the bonus. Instead of higher base hp, each race will get a defensive boost. Amarr gets plates, gal rep, cal extender and min get regulators. And for a logi bonus, all races get 5 % effectiveness to ALL equipment. This was my idea long ago, and among a myriad of other great ideas that should have been implemented instead of these lame bonuses we got.

Edit: I also agree with your faction/pirate statement. I would honestly have no issue losing my amarr sidearm as long as a faction/pirate variant became available for most/all races.