Philosophically speaking, the amarr are the stand and fight. The gal are the strike hard and retreat, the cal are the long range and the min are the hit and run. The amarr logi having a sidearm makes sense from this alone, coupled with the fact they toss an eq and 2 slots to have the sidearm, its really not the sweetest deal out there. The gal and min have too good of a slot layout to warrant a sidearm, and the cal albeit the worst logi, doesnt really spring from the combat style to warrant having one. I, as an almost full time logi don't personally care who has a sidearm and who doesnt, but they should have to suffer from the penalty the same as the amarr. Take away the sidearm and give me more slots, idgaf either way tbh. It isn't like the suit is overpowered.

I do not mean to derail the thread but this is why CPM stands to be a flawed system.

You have now openly stated that you are lobbying for something AGAINST what the community is saying. Almost no one says anything about this and obviously CCP has even accepted that there is not a problem but you continue to push your agenda with little to no backing from the community which you are suppose to represent.

OP asked a simple question and never even said there was actually a problem with it himself and you just used his thread and a sounding board to attempt to push your agenda. Not only that you could not even state what the problem is.


How about instead of bickering over what you feel is an imbalance you do what you were elected to do and try to get some community feedback on what needs to be done to balance all logis with the rest of the field. This is what the rest of the CPM are doing. They not only present them self as being passionate about the game but passionate about what the community wants to see.

read the description of each logi suit and for that matter all of the suits

it's because the amarr logi sucks overall, so it needs something to help balance it out

Just look at each of the suits at proto.

Amarr has the LEAST amount of slots, and equipment. 10 total, just for 1 side arm. (3H, 4L, 3E)

Cal has the most slots (5H, 4L) but it's offset by the low resources and low equipment. (5H, 4L, 3E)

Gal is similar to Cal, gives up a high slot for 4 equipment.
(3H, 5L, 4E)

Min is balanced all around. (4H, 4L, 4E)

In the end, amarr is weaker than all the others just for a sidearm. To give all logi's a sidearm, it's just a step you shouldn't take; unnecessary stress

What do you mean real logi? Just because it has a side arm doesn't automatically not make it a logi.

If they did I'd be the same bull just different people... The Amarr logi has a bonus that disappears as soon as it dies which is pointless because you will die in this slow ass suit.

Figure this may be a good time for me to rally the "Logi should ONLY have a sidearm!" Foil brigade.....

Lets be objective across the board for this shall we?

Every suit can use light weapons, and grenades as well as high and low modules.
Sentinel is the only heavy weapon user, but they dont have eq.
Logi don't have sidearm (Save for Amarr).
Commando have 2 lights.

This is about the long and short of variation, any suit can pretty much equip anything else At the risk of gimping the suit.

Cloaks are supposed to be for scouts, but I can squeeze it on any suit with eq.
any suit can use a sidearm in its light or heavy weapon slot.
any suit can fit any eq with no penalty, just no bonus.
Any suit can pilot any vehicle without hinderance.
I can damp any suit to get below most ewar, save for heavy frames

So essentially the only REAL diversity in the game is?

My point being, we should be striving for some uniqueness among all the suits and class types. Weapon bonuses, damage resistance, equipment bonus, fitting reduction, specialization, etc. We should be attempting to widen the space between suits, even of the same type.... not just hammering the mold and slapping modules on for variety.

I worry some of your new ideas may lead to more slayer logis than the amarr sidearm does now IWS, but I do agree the uniqueness of logis should come from the bonus. Instead of higher base hp, each race will get a defensive boost. Amarr gets plates, gal rep, cal extender and min get regulators. And for a logi bonus, all races get 5 % effectiveness to ALL equipment. This was my idea long ago, and among a myriad of other great ideas that should have been implemented instead of these lame bonuses we got.

Edit: I also agree with your faction/pirate statement. I would honestly have no issue losing my amarr sidearm as long as a faction/pirate variant became available for most/all races.