DUST Search - Why Jarryd Hayne will fail in the NFL

squatdog quadbox wrote:

Aramis Madrigal wrote:

Chris Johnson is a good point of comparison given that he has been timed both electronically and using the NFL hybrid method. He was ~.2 of a second slower in high school than an eventual Bronze medal winner in the 100m (he came in 4th at the state meet). Had he specialized in track rather than in football, he would have a decent chance of qualifying as an Olympic alternate or as a member of the 4x100. By any account, that is freakishly fast. Moreover, I repeat my assertion that NFL players have won ~20 gold medals in track and field events. There is no other league in the world that can make a similar claim.

No, Johnson was hand-timed and timed with and the NFL's supposed 'hybrid method'...which (big surprise) gave exactly the same result.

"Meantime, TSX was told that the times announced by the NFL again will be the result of a hybrid process -- with clocks started by hand and stopped electronically. This yields results that are slower than purely hand-held clockings and faster than fully automated times.

What's the big deal?

The disparity in results among those processes could create a culture shock with football players who, historically, believed elite runners are timed in the 4.3-second range.

The fastest time announced at the combine this century was 4.24 seconds by East Carolina (Tennessee Titans) running back Chris Johnson in 2008. That happened to be both his hand held and hybrid time.

Based on empirical data kept for the last few years, his fully automated time might have been as high as 4.49 seconds -- hardly elite in football circles."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24450816/nfl-combine-popular-40-shrouded-in-secrecy

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GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 175	Posted - 2015.04.06 12:50:00 - [61] - Quote squatdog quadbox wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: I personally train Legs with a retired 27 year old CFL player. The man is 6'7 and 270lbs and easily under 10 percent body fat. I cannot imagine a CFL player in their trainning prime, let alone a NFL player!!! Your Rugby boy hero is going to get ****** up Who is the single strongest player in the NFL, according to the NFL's own metrics? Oh that's right, it's New Zealand-born former Rugby player Stephen Paea. Whoops. He was 16 when he moved to Kansas. 49 reps @ 225lbs in a bench is impressive, by any standard. I remember watching a 185lb college defensive back doing 41 @ 225 Justin Ernest holds the NFL record at 51 reps.
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5961	Posted - 2015.04.06 13:20:00 - [62] - Quote GLOBAL RAGE wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: The NFL has better athletes all around due to its aggressive nature of always having to be the best... It will always have the strongest,fastest, and biggest players out there buuut its boring as hell to watch and that's why rugby is cooler. Yeah, the flow of NFL games are completely ******. Rugby is just a better sport to watch, a Rugby team of NFL players would give any other team a good match, but they'd probably still lose to experience. Well, I'm interested because with the Olympics and the attention to rugby it will garner here in the US, there will be some players who do not have "enough" to play in the NFL that will cross over-we have thousands of College players, that are bigger, stronger and a lot faster than any thing you guys have ever seen. No doubt the US team will have great athletes, I just don't think we'll see them win any major international Rugby competitions yet, not until they get a few good years of experience.
squatdog quadbox Kinsho Swords Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.04.06 13:22:00 - [63] - Quote Quote: I be rooting for this downunder worlder, but he is slow, can not speak "the language of football", and catches the ball with his body and not his hands-rugby style. LOL@'slow'... Only five Running Backs recorded a faster 40 yards time in the 2015 combine: http://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker#day=saturday HILARIOUS.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 905	Posted - 2015.04.06 13:23:00 - [64] - Quote GLOBAL RAGE wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: The NFL has better athletes all around due to its aggressive nature of always having to be the best... It will always have the strongest,fastest, and biggest players out there buuut its boring as hell to watch and that's why rugby is cooler. Yeah, the flow of NFL games are completely *****. Rugby is just a better sport to watch, a Rugby team of NFL players would give any other team a good match, but they'd probably still lose to experience. Well, I'm interested because with the Olympics and the attention to rugby it will garner here in the US, there will be some players who do not have "enough" to play in the NFL that will cross over-we have thousands of College players, that are bigger, stronger and a lot faster than any thing you guys have ever seen. Bro, the Olympic games for Rugby don't mean sht. You want to see how good your country is in a real man's sport? Watch the Rugby World Cup later this year. Also keep in mind that the Olympic version is Rugby 7s, not full on Rugby. Also I saw the USA vs Australian match live in the 2011 World Cup. I felt embarrassed for your nation. Sure you beat the Russians but they are only slightly better than USA in rugby. Like I said before, stick to your pads bro. I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
squatdog quadbox Kinsho Swords Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.04.06 13:27:00 - [65] - Quote Quote: Rugby tackling..lol! "Carroll and his staff put out a video last summer showing rugby players and their tackling skills. In addition to showing it to his team, he said he wanted the video to get into the hands of youth groups, and high school and college coaches to show GÇ£that the game can be played safely and at a high level.GÇ¥ Rugby players tackle by leading with the shoulder rather than the head. That helps avoid major injuries and is a sounder way of tackling, with fewer missed tackles. "Carroll was fascinated by the tackling in rugby. He watched it often. He was impressed by the fact that in a sport in which players donGÇÖt wear helmets, the tackling is superb, and safe. GÇ£Rugby players take the head out of the game,GÇ¥ Carroll said. GÇ£We practice this without helmets, without pads.GÇ¥ "After winning a Super Bowl, CarrollGÇÖs video carried major cachet. Two Super Bowl wins would give him even more credibility when he says that tackling with the shoulder and producing a fast, hard-hitting defense is the way to win the ultimate game." http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/27/seahawks-coach-pete-carroll-tells-his-players-tackle-like-rugby-player/OQy6KCmN7zfSPgKDCzthhM/story.html Yes, LOL! LOL! LOL!
squatdog quadbox Kinsho Swords Caldari State 12	Posted - 2015.04.06 13:35:00 - [66] - Quote Quote: , there will be some players who do not have "enough" to play in the NFL that will cross over-we have thousands of College players, that are bigger, stronger and a lot faster than any thing you guys have ever seen. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!! There have been literally DOZENS of former Div.I College Football players who have attempted to play Rugby professionally over the last 20 years. Every single one of them has failed miserably. Once again, the vast majority of players in the NFL (let alone College Football) aren't even remotely exceptional compared to elite athletes from other sports.
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1427	Posted - 2015.04.06 14:32:00 - [67] - Quote What do micheal jordan, tiger woods, micheal phelps, and bo jackson all have in common? They are all considered by many to be the greatest athletes to ever live. They are also all american. The only other country to even come close to producing the amount of great athletes that America has, is Russia. And even then I can only think of a couple boxers and gymnasts.. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. 493	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:05:00 - [68] - Quote As a life long Niner fan I have been following some of the stories, etc. about Jarryd Hayne. He is actually the second Rugby star the Niners have on the roster. Lawrence Okoye has been on the practice squad for the past two years and this year will likely be a make or break year for him. As far as Rugby vs. NFL talent I thought I would post this pic. This is from recent workouts in Arizona that included current 49er quarterback Colin Kaepernick, and several NFL receivers. Jarryd is the one in the back. Phoenix Training Camp
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 393	Posted - 2015.04.06 16:48:00 - [69] - Quote He will likely not make a roster because everyone at the NFL level has exceptional measureables. He is without question an impressive athlete, but so is everyone else when you reach an elite level. Believe it or not, technique and decision making actually do play a part. There are a number of mediocre (by NFL standards) athletes who made careers for themselves with effective release, stemming, route running, defense reading and superior hands. I've always been a little offended by the belief that practice and technique were somehow ancillary to performance. I was a decent college running back who found playing time by being an effective blocker, pass catcher and runner with exceptional ball security (zero lost fumbles in my entire career... my only impressive stat). Not having a football background is definitely going to hurt his chances. Oddly, I really miss running into people at high speed. Now the closest I get to beast mode is chasing people around with a chainsaw... http://i.imgur.com/KXMGKrw.jpg
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 394	Posted - 2015.04.06 18:41:00 - [70] - Quote GLOBAL RAGE wrote: squatdog quadbox wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: I personally train Legs with a retired 27 year old CFL player. The man is 6'7 and 270lbs and easily under 10 percent body fat. I cannot imagine a CFL player in their trainning prime, let alone a NFL player!!! Your Rugby boy hero is going to get ****** up Who is the single strongest player in the NFL, according to the NFL's own metrics? Oh that's right, it's New Zealand-born former Rugby player Stephen Paea. Whoops. He was 16 when he moved to Kansas. 49 reps @ 225lbs in a bench is impressive, by any standard. I remember watching a 185lb college defensive back doing 41 @ 225 Justin Ernest holds the NFL record at 51 reps. Reps at 225 is a poor metric for strength and isn't the least bit predictive of football success/likelihood of earning a roster spot. Squat, dead lift and particularly cleans are more predictive of football success, but relative levels of experience and technique dilute the value of these measures. My reps at 225 would place me in the top quarter of running backs at this years combine and I was never anywhere near good enough to earn a training camp invite, much less a spot on a roster. Anyone want to wager some ISK I could do at least 18x225? I'm at work so it will have to be on a smith machine, but I can post a video :).

squatdog quadbox Kinsho Swords Caldari State 15	Posted - 2015.04.06 20:39:00 - [71] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: What do micheal jordan, tiger woods, micheal phelps, and bo jackson all have in common? They are all considered by many to be the greatest athletes to ever live. They are also all american. The only other country to even come close to producing the amount of great athletes that America has, is Russia. And even then I can only think of a couple boxers and gymnasts.. How about the tiny island nation of Jamaica completely dominating Olympic track events, with Usain Bolt being a global superstar and arguably the greatest sprinter ever? Virtually no-one outside of America would even have a clue who 'Bo Jackson' is.
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 394	Posted - 2015.04.06 20:53:00 - [72] - Quote squatdog quadbox wrote: P14GU3 wrote: What do micheal jordan, tiger woods, micheal phelps, and bo jackson all have in common? They are all considered by many to be the greatest athletes to ever live. They are also all american. The only other country to even come close to producing the amount of great athletes that America has, is Russia. And even then I can only think of a couple boxers and gymnasts.. How about the tiny island nation of Jamaica completely dominating Olympic track events, with Usain Bolt being a global superstar and arguably the greatest sprinter ever? Virtually no-one outside of America would even have a clue who 'Bo Jackson' is. Jamaica has a very strong track tradition, but their dominance in short and short-middle distances is relatively recent. Moreover, the population is predominantly of West African descent, a genetic group that has done particularly well in sprints. Small countries have been able to do well in events in which they focus, that require limited infrastructure, and require a particular configuration of attributes (boxing, wrestling, weight lifting, some track events). Team sports and/or those that require more complicated training infrastructure have traditionally been dominated by larger countries, with the US doing particularly well. I would say that the US has more than a representative number of internationally known athletes, although this likely owes to the cultural power of the nation as much as their sports prowess. This is particularly surprising given the US has a relatively weak soccer tradition, a sport with more international presence than almost any other.
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 394	Posted - 2015.04.06 21:00:00 - [73] - Quote squatdog quadbox wrote: Quote: , there will be some players who do not have "enough" to play in the NFL that will cross over-we have thousands of College players, that are bigger, stronger and a lot faster than any thing you guys have ever seen. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!! There have been literally DOZENS of former Div.I College Football players who have attempted to play Rugby professionally over the last 20 years. Every single one of them has failed miserably. Once again, the vast majority of players in the NFL (let alone College Football) aren't even remotely exceptional compared to elite athletes from other sports. From the perspective of a combination of strength, speed and explosive power, the best NFL players are among the finest athletes on earth. I don't think there is another team sports league where a handful of players could make an Olympic 100m semi-final or final. NFL players have won more than 20 gold medals in Olympic track and field events and the fastest man over 45 in the world is a former NFL wide receiver. Regarding your comment about Div I football players who attempted to play rugby at the highest levels, ~1.6% of Div I football players will make an NFL roster, so Div I football players are not very representative of the level of talent in the NFL.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 574	Posted - 2015.04.06 21:09:00 - [74] - Quote I came to say, Rugby is awesome. And I respect those dudes for putting on the line with no padding. And americans...you need to get over yourselves. There's a world outside of the so called land of the free and brave. Saying what's on people's minds
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 394	Posted - 2015.04.06 21:22:00 - [75] - Quote My comments were not intended to be jingoistic in any way, merely an attempt to show that even a great athlete is unlikely to succeed at a complicated sport they have limited experience in. I added additional clarification regarding the general athletic quality of NFL football players, which is objective high given that no other league has produced so many Olympic medalists in a sport other than that played by said league. Any international takers for my ISK bet (20x225 on bench)? I'm in my late 30's and I only weigh ~190lbs these days, so it's kind of a toss up if I can do it or not.
squatdog quadbox Kinsho Swords Caldari State 15	Posted - 2015.04.06 22:14:00 - [76] - Quote Quote: Reps at 225 is a poor metric for strength and isn't the least bit predictive of football success/likelihood of earning a roster spot. It's the metric used by the NFL to measure strength. Quote: P.S. I doubt the OP can run a properly timed 40 in 4.5. Chris Johnson ran in the mid 4.2s and was competitive in college with a guy who would later win a bronze medal in the 100 at the Olympics. The NFL uses an electronic start with a hand timed finish, by professional timers. A good rule of thumb is to add at least .2-.3 seconds to any hand timed 40...more if the person doing it is inexperienced. The NFL uses a hand-timed start off the first step. The only reason why the test isn't fully automated is that it would drastically increase the times and the 'freak athletes' running 4.3 would suddenly be running 4.5+ Quote: Regarding your comment about Div I football players who attempted to play rugby at the highest levels, ~1.6% of Div I football players will make an NFL roster, so Div I football players are not very representative of the level of talent in the NFL. Some moron claimed that College players who weren't good enough to make the NFL would somehow easily walk into professional Rugby and dominate...except that no former player has successfully managed to make a professional Rugby team in the last 20 years.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 417	Posted - 2015.04.06 22:20:00 - [77] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: GLOBAL RAGE wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: GLOBAL RAGE wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: But what is his WP total? Not as much a Bo Jackson's 4.1 40 yrd dash What about KD? 0 and since he looks to be SP teams 0 prospects. Surely his SP is higher than zero. sounds like a proto amarr sentinel with no skills in biotics CPMs should stop acting like they have power and remember their true position. Scapegoats for CCP
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1429	Posted - 2015.04.06 22:30:00 - [78] - Quote squatdog quadbox wrote: P14GU3 wrote: What do micheal jordan, tiger woods, micheal phelps, and bo jackson all have in common? They are all considered by many to be the greatest athletes to ever live. They are also all american. The only other country to even come close to producing the amount of great athletes that America has, is Russia. And even then I can only think of a couple boxers and gymnasts.. How about the tiny island nation of Jamaica completely dominating Olympic track events, with Usain Bolt being a global superstar and arguably the greatest sprinter ever? Virtually no-one outside of America would even have a clue who 'Bo Jackson' is. Usain bolt is a freak. He breaks most of my cities speed limits on foot. Kenyans are known for their distance running. Western europe has a crap load of tennis stars, while eastern europe does soccer (futball.) But i just named 4 of the greatest athletes to ever touch on 5 different sports. And all you could retort was "no one outside the US knows bo jackson. Usain bolt, undoubtably the greatest sprinter ever. Roger Federer is undoubtably the greatest tennis player to date (17 grand slams ) Manny pacquio might be pound for pound the greatest boxer ever. Horace Gracie was a juijitsu god. Im not saying that there aren't greats from other countries, but look up any "top 50 athletes" list and you will see it dominated by american athletes. Btw, bo jackson won back to back mvps from 2 different sports. Just beacuse you have not heard of him, doesnt make his achievement any less great. 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 395	Posted - 2015.04.06 22:54:00 - [79] - Quote Chris Johnson is a good point of comparison given that he has been timed both electronically and using the NFL hybrid method. He was ~.2 of a second slower in high school than an eventual Bronze medal winner in the 100m (he came in 4th at the state meet). Had he specialized in track rather than in football, he would have a decent chance of qualifying as an Olympic alternate or as a member of the 4x100. By any account, that is freakishly fast. Moreover, I repeat my assertion that NFL players have won ~20 gold medals in track and field events. There is no other league in the world that can make a similar claim.
squatdog quadbox Kinsho Swords Caldari State 15	Posted - 2015.04.06 22:56:00 - [80] - Quote Quote: Btw, bo jackson won back to back mvps from 2 different sports. Just beacuse you have not heard of him, doesnt make his achievement any less great. Two AMERICAN sports, one of which struggles to even exist outside of North America.

squatdog quadbox Kinsho Swords Caldari State 15	Posted - 2015.04.06 23:09:00 - [81] - Quote Aramis Madrigal wrote: Chris Johnson is a good point of comparison given that he has been timed both electronically and using the NFL hybrid method. He was ~.2 of a second slower in high school than an eventual Bronze medal winner in the 100m (he came in 4th at the state meet). Had he specialized in track rather than in football, he would have a decent chance of qualifying as an Olympic alternate or as a member of the 4x100. By any account, that is freakishly fast. Moreover, I repeat my assertion that NFL players have won ~20 gold medals in track and field events. There is no other league in the world that can make a similar claim. No, Johnson was hand-timed and timed with and the NFL's supposed 'hybrid method'...which (big surprise) gave exactly the same result. "Meantime, TSX was told that the times announced by the NFL again will be the result of a hybrid process -- with clocks started by hand and stopped electronically. This yields results that are slower than purely hand-held clockings and faster than fully automated times. What's the big deal? The disparity in results among those processes could create a culture shock with football players who, historically, believed elite runners are timed in the 4.3-second range. The fastest time announced at the combine this century was 4.24 seconds by East Carolina (Tennessee Titans) running back Chris Johnson in 2008. That happened to be both his hand held and hybrid time. Based on empirical data kept for the last few years, his fully automated time might have been as high as 4.49 seconds -- hardly elite in football circles." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24450816/nfl-combine-popular-40-shrouded-in-secrecy
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 395	Posted - 2015.04.06 23:16:00 - [82] - Quote squatdog quadbox wrote: Aramis Madrigal wrote: Chris Johnson is a good point of comparison given that he has been timed both electronically and using the NFL hybrid method. He was ~.2 of a second slower in high school than an eventual Bronze medal winner in the 100m (he came in 4th at the state meet). Had he specialized in track rather than in football, he would have a decent chance of qualifying as an Olympic alternate or as a member of the 4x100. By any account, that is freakishly fast. Moreover, I repeat my assertion that NFL players have won ~20 gold medals in track and field events. There is no other league in the world that can make a similar claim. No, Johnson was hand-timed and timed with and the NFL's supposed 'hybrid method'...which (big surprise) gave exactly the same result. "Meantime, TSX was told that the times announced by the NFL again will be the result of a hybrid process -- with clocks started by hand and stopped electronically. This yields results that are slower than purely hand-held clockings and faster than fully automated times. What's the big deal? The disparity in results among those processes could create a culture shock with football players who, historically, believed elite runners are timed in the 4.3-second range. The fastest time announced at the combine this century was 4.24 seconds by East Carolina (Tennessee Titans) running back Chris Johnson in 2008. That happened to be both his hand held and hybrid time. Based on empirical data kept for the last few years, his fully automated time might have been as high as 4.49 seconds -- hardly elite in football circles." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24450816/nfl-combine-popular-40-shrouded-in-secrecy Look at his Florida state meet results, where he was timed electronically, coming in fourth behind eventual Olympic medalist Walter Dix. Some of Johnson's electronically timed high school times are in line with the qualifying rounds of the Olympics. The guy is fast...
P14GU3 UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 1429	Posted - 2015.04.07 00:05:00 - [83] - Quote squatdog quadbox wrote: Quote: Btw, bo jackson won back to back mvps from 2 different sports. Just beacuse you have not heard of him, doesnt make his achievement any less great. Two AMERICAN sports, one of which struggles to even exist outside of North America. How many athletes from your country have gone back to back mvp in two of your national sports? 'Sault AK.0 - Logi AK.0 - Logi GK.0 - Scout GK.0 - 'Mando MK.0 - Masshole in every sense of the word.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 9142	Posted - 2015.04.07 00:09:00 - [84] - Quote squatdog quadbox wrote: Quote: Btw, bo jackson won back to back mvps from 2 different sports. Just beacuse you have not heard of him, doesnt make his achievement any less great. Two AMERICAN sports, one of which struggles to even exist outside of North America. This is just flat wrong. Baseball is popular in many places in South America and the Carribian, as well as in Japan. If football was so unpopular in EU, why does the NFL have 2 regular season games in London every year, selling them out, with people coming from all over Europe to watch? Don't be surprised if you see a London NFL team in the near future. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
squatdog quadbox Kinsho Swords Caldari State 15	Posted - 2015.04.07 06:09:00 - [85] - Quote Quote: . The fact that there is NFL Europe (used to be world league,) which yes is struggling, but exists. LOL...the failed NFL Europe league collapsed back in 2007 after it lost the NFL close to half a BILLION over the course of two decades. This represents the absolute very pinnacle of American Football in Britain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-slExIIV8I It's a collection of nerds, fatasses and Rugby rejects playing make-believe Madden on a deserted third division Soccer ground in front of a few dozen friends and family. No-one cares. Quote: If football was so unpopular in EU, why does the NFL have 2 regular season games in London every year, selling them out, with people coming from all over Europe to watch? American ex-pats and tourists coming from all over to watch, with the remainder being an assortment of pro-wrestling nerds and curious onlookers wanting to see a freakshow. Quote: Don't be surprised if you see a London NFL team in the near future. You have more chance of seeing the Loch Ness monster.
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 177	Posted - 2015.04.08 04:36:00 - [86] - Quote squatdog quadbox wrote: Quote: I be rooting for this downunder worlder, but he is slow, can not speak "the language of football", and catches the ball with his body and not his hands-rugby style. LOL@'slow'... Only five Running Backs recorded a faster 40 yards time in the 2015 combine: http://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker#day=saturday HILARIOUS. Combine times are for recruits and in no way represent NFL speed. Pro NFL speeds are off your graph, everyone in the NFL is fast 4.5 is slow!
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 177	Posted - 2015.04.08 04:39:00 - [87] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: squatdog quadbox wrote: Quote: Btw, bo jackson won back to back mvps from 2 different sports. Just beacuse you have not heard of him, doesnt make his achievement any less great. Two AMERICAN sports, one of which struggles to even exist outside of North America. This is just flat wrong. Baseball is popular in many places in South America and the Carribian, as well as in Japan. If football was so unpopular in EU, why does the NFL have 2 regular season games in London every year, selling them out, with people coming from all over Europe to watch? Don't be surprised if you see a London NFL team in the near future. IF you don't know BO you do not know pro sports! https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=81d0lmW1h58
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 177	Posted - 2015.04.08 06:05:00 - [88] - Quote This is what our college kids will give you the Olympics! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u_c8Ni_z0U&feature=player_detailpage
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 177	Posted - 2015.04.08 06:12:00 - [89] - Quote This is high school https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9qGJK_Ysps&feature=player_detailpage
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 177	Posted - 2015.04.08 06:35:00 - [90] - Quote then there is Walter Payton, he played on the worst pro team ever, but in the end he became a champion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3diOd5srLIs



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