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Posted - 2015.04.06 01:37:00 -
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GLOBAL RAGE wrote:To those of you who do not know, a Rugby superstar was taken by the San Francisco 49ers as a prospect.
In no way do I want to hate, but:
He is too slow- a 4.5 40yd (I ran better than that in HS) He catches the ball with his body, not out stretched hands. He has a language deficit in technical Football language and everyone in the NFL is fast- and 70% are faster than this guy!!!
Sorry RUGBY, but you're hero is about to get blown up by the NFL!
OH and he runs upright like a target!
Jarryd Hayne's 40 yard time would have put him in the TOP TEN Running Backs at the most recent combine.
Your alleged '40 yard time' was hand-timed BS. Just like all the other highschool '40 yard times';
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Posted - 2015.04.06 01:53:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Otrera Goddess wrote:The guy is an Australian legend and beast. Your NFL players wear padding because otherwise they will get "hurt" where as our rugby players do not. He is used to taking heavy knocks and shrugging them off. Just wait and see.... Just wait and see The padding leads to more violent collisions. The NFL benefits from a few hundred years of terrible American history where a byproduct was genetic breeding. It's not even close. You could give a rugby coach 2 weeks with his choice of NFL players and they'd make the best rugby team in the world look stupid.
Even with six months of training, your mythical superstar team would fall to pieces after the first 20 minutes,
American Football players simply aren't exceptional compared to elite athletes from other sports. At least not to the point where they possess some kind of innate advantage.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 02:01:00 -
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Quote:Emmitt Smith probably ran a 4.6 - 4.7 if you'd made him run on a Sunday morning before a game and he's the all time leading rusher.
Emmit Smith was a 5'8, 190lb midget but possessed the ability, vision and intangible qualities that made him superior to NFL players much bigger and faster than him. |
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Posted - 2015.04.06 02:07:00 -
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Quote:They'd break the scoreboard in 20 minutes.
They'd walk off the field and let the other team score unopposed?
Sounds about right. |
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Posted - 2015.04.06 04:05:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I just watched the dude's highlight reel. He's a baller for sure. But I'm sorry to break it to you, those dudes he is playing against are scrubs to the tenth power in comparison to what he's about to be facing.
I'll actually be rooting for him because it's a cool story.
There are high schools in Texas that would be harder for him to run through than that crap. Is that a real professional league that people pay to go watch? Can you guys get NFL Sunday Ticket in Australia? If so, you should get it. There are much fewer lumbering, slow white dudes with try hard looks on their faces.
Why yes, just look at the weak, soft tackling in the NRL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq2Xb3BQZyY
Also, the champion Seahawks team copied Rugby tackling to create literally the most dominant defence in the history of the NFL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HihjPApzCg&list=LLJdeefD4edpCrAx1MT3KzNA&index=77
Maybe you should contact Pete Carroll and tell him that he's wrong and that you know better?
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Posted - 2015.04.06 06:31:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Your crazy if you think NFL players aren't some of the biggest, strongest, fastest athletes in the world. They may not have the endurance of other sports such as soccer or rugby, but watch a defense get pounded for 4 quarters straight and tell me they dont have heart. I'll call you a liar, because I've done it.
Statistically speaking, you have a snowballs chance in H311 of making it to the NFL. These guys are literally the top 1% of athletes in the world.
Edit: also iirc football has the youngest average death age of any sport but boxing/mma. So I wouldn't call the pads "pussified."
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Posted - 2015.04.06 09:37:00 -
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Quote:Yet there is nfl world league to recruit from outside of america, and also apparently rugby. Does it make you upset that the nfl uses your favorite sport the same way they use their B-league?
LOL@'NFL World League'...
Even in the supposed hotbed of Germany, American Football is a tiny niche sport played by a fringe of nerds and fatasses on deserted third division Soccer grounds. No-one cares.
Quote:Also, in terms of population, only two countries beat out the states; China and India. We probably have states with higher population than whatever island country you hail from. [/quote]
America makes up less than 5% of the world's population. |
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Posted - 2015.04.06 12:01:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:I personally train Legs with a retired 27 year old CFL player. The man is 6'7 and 270lbs and easily under 10 percent body fat. I cannot imagine a CFL player in their trainning prime, let alone a NFL player!!!
Your Rugby boy hero is going to get ****** up
Who is the single strongest player in the NFL, according to the NFL's own metrics?
Oh that's right, it's New Zealand-born former Rugby player Stephen Paea. Whoops.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 13:22:00 -
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Quote:I be rooting for this downunder worlder, but he is slow, can not speak "the language of football", and catches the ball with his body and not his hands-rugby style.
LOL@'slow'...
Only five Running Backs recorded a faster 40 yards time in the 2015 combine:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker#day=saturday
HILARIOUS.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 13:27:00 -
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Quote:Rugby tackling..lol!
"Carroll and his staff put out a video last summer showing rugby players and their tackling skills. In addition to showing it to his team, he said he wanted the video to get into the hands of youth groups, and high school and college coaches to show GÇ£that the game can be played safely and at a high level.GÇ¥
Rugby players tackle by leading with the shoulder rather than the head. That helps avoid major injuries and is a sounder way of tackling, with fewer missed tackles.
"Carroll was fascinated by the tackling in rugby. He watched it often. He was impressed by the fact that in a sport in which players donGÇÖt wear helmets, the tackling is superb, and safe.
GÇ£Rugby players take the head out of the game,GÇ¥ Carroll said. GÇ£We practice this without helmets, without pads.GÇ¥
"After winning a Super Bowl, CarrollGÇÖs video carried major cachet. Two Super Bowl wins would give him even more credibility when he says that tackling with the shoulder and producing a fast, hard-hitting defense is the way to win the ultimate game."
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/27/seahawks-coach-pete-carroll-tells-his-players-tackle-like-rugby-player/OQy6KCmN7zfSPgKDCzthhM/story.html
Yes, LOL!
LOL!
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Posted - 2015.04.06 13:35:00 -
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Quote:, there will be some players who do not have "enough" to play in the NFL that will cross over-we have thousands of College players, that are bigger, stronger and a lot faster than any thing you guys have ever seen.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!
There have been literally DOZENS of former Div.I College Football players who have attempted to play Rugby professionally over the last 20 years. Every single one of them has failed miserably.
Once again, the vast majority of players in the NFL (let alone College Football) aren't even remotely exceptional compared to elite athletes from other sports. |
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:39:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:What do micheal jordan, tiger woods, micheal phelps, and bo jackson all have in common? They are all considered by many to be the greatest athletes to ever live. They are also all american. The only other country to even come close to producing the amount of great athletes that America has, is Russia. And even then I can only think of a couple boxers and gymnasts..
How about the tiny island nation of Jamaica completely dominating Olympic track events, with Usain Bolt being a global superstar and arguably the greatest sprinter ever?
Virtually no-one outside of America would even have a clue who 'Bo Jackson' is.
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:14:00 -
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Quote:Reps at 225 is a poor metric for strength and isn't the least bit predictive of football success/likelihood of earning a roster spot.
It's the metric used by the NFL to measure strength.
Quote:P.S. I doubt the OP can run a properly timed 40 in 4.5. Chris Johnson ran in the mid 4.2s and was competitive in college with a guy who would later win a bronze medal in the 100 at the Olympics. The NFL uses an electronic start with a hand timed finish, by professional timers. A good rule of thumb is to add at least .2-.3 seconds to any hand timed 40...more if the person doing it is inexperienced.
The NFL uses a hand-timed start off the first step.
The only reason why the test isn't fully automated is that it would drastically increase the times and the 'freak athletes' running 4.3 would suddenly be running 4.5+
Quote: Regarding your comment about Div I football players who attempted to play rugby at the highest levels, ~1.6% of Div I football players will make an NFL roster, so Div I football players are not very representative of the level of talent in the NFL.
Some moron claimed that College players who weren't good enough to make the NFL would somehow easily walk into professional Rugby and dominate...except that no former player has successfully managed to make a professional Rugby team in the last 20 years. |
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:56:00 -
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Quote:Btw, bo jackson won back to back mvps from 2 different sports. Just beacuse you have not heard of him, doesnt make his achievement any less great.
Two AMERICAN sports, one of which struggles to even exist outside of North America. |
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Posted - 2015.04.06 23:09:00 -
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Aramis Madrigal wrote:Chris Johnson is a good point of comparison given that he has been timed both electronically and using the NFL hybrid method. He was ~.2 of a second slower in high school than an eventual Bronze medal winner in the 100m (he came in 4th at the state meet). Had he specialized in track rather than in football, he would have a decent chance of qualifying as an Olympic alternate or as a member of the 4x100. By any account, that is freakishly fast. Moreover, I repeat my assertion that NFL players have won ~20 gold medals in track and field events. There is no other league in the world that can make a similar claim.
No, Johnson was hand-timed and timed with and the NFL's supposed 'hybrid method'...which (big surprise) gave exactly the same result.
"Meantime, TSX was told that the times announced by the NFL again will be the result of a hybrid process -- with clocks started by hand and stopped electronically. This yields results that are slower than purely hand-held clockings and faster than fully automated times.
What's the big deal?
The disparity in results among those processes could create a culture shock with football players who, historically, believed elite runners are timed in the 4.3-second range.
The fastest time announced at the combine this century was 4.24 seconds by East Carolina (Tennessee Titans) running back Chris Johnson in 2008. That happened to be both his hand held and hybrid time.
Based on empirical data kept for the last few years, his fully automated time might have been as high as 4.49 seconds -- hardly elite in football circles."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24450816/nfl-combine-popular-40-shrouded-in-secrecy
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Posted - 2015.04.07 06:09:00 -
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Quote:. The fact that there is NFL Europe (used to be world league,) which yes is struggling, but exists.
LOL...the failed NFL Europe league collapsed back in 2007 after it lost the NFL close to half a BILLION over the course of two decades.
This represents the absolute very pinnacle of American Football in Britain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-slExIIV8I
It's a collection of nerds, fatasses and Rugby rejects playing make-believe Madden on a deserted third division Soccer ground in front of a few dozen friends and family. No-one cares.
Quote:If football was so unpopular in EU, why does the NFL have 2 regular season games in London every year, selling them out, with people coming from all over Europe to watch?
American ex-pats and tourists coming from all over to watch, with the remainder being an assortment of pro-wrestling nerds and curious onlookers wanting to see a freakshow.
Quote:Don't be surprised if you see a London NFL team in the near future.
You have more chance of seeing the Loch Ness monster. |
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Posted - 2015.04.08 12:36:00 -
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GLOBAL RAGE wrote:squatdog quadbox wrote:Quote:I be rooting for this downunder worlder, but he is slow, can not speak "the language of football", and catches the ball with his body and not his hands-rugby style. LOL@ 'slow'... Only five Running Backs recorded a faster 40 yards time in the 2015 combine: http://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker#day=saturdayHILARIOUS. Combine times are for recruits and in no way represent NFL speed. Pro NFL speeds are off your graph, everyone in the NFL is fast 4.5 is slow!
Nearly all the players currently in the NFL have participated in a combine.
Only five Running Backs ran the 40 yards under 4.5 seconds in the 2015 NFL combine.
I'm not sure if it's humanly possible for you to be more wrong.
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Posted - 2015.04.08 22:14:00 -
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soulreaper73 wrote:Otrera Goddess wrote:The guy is an Australian legend and beast. Your NFL players wear padding because otherwise they will get "hurt" where as our rugby players do not. He is used to taking heavy knocks and shrugging them off. Just wait and see.... Just wait and see Rugby is a fierce game. However, do not underestimate the sheer speed and size of an NFL player. They are larger and faster than the average rugby player. For the record, I think this rugby player is a fine athlete and may just very well stick in the NFL. He has the athletic ability to do so. His biggest hurdle will be learning new rules. The same would happen to an NFL player trying to play in rugby. Both would need to learn to adapt.
The only NFL players drastically larger than their Rugby counterparts are linemen, whose role is to slowly waddle around the line of scrimmage slapping and shoved at other fatties for 5 seconds at a time. The players actually running around in the open field are virtually identical to Rugby players.
For example, the top rusher in the NFL is 5'10 and 215lb, while the top try-scorer in Super Rugby is 6'5 and 275lb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38sCGMihKKw
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