DUST Search - Why Jarryd Hayne will fail in the NFL

squatdog quadbox wrote:

Aramis Madrigal wrote:

Chris Johnson is a good point of comparison given that he has been timed both electronically and using the NFL hybrid method. He was ~.2 of a second slower in high school than an eventual Bronze medal winner in the 100m (he came in 4th at the state meet). Had he specialized in track rather than in football, he would have a decent chance of qualifying as an Olympic alternate or as a member of the 4x100. By any account, that is freakishly fast. Moreover, I repeat my assertion that NFL players have won ~20 gold medals in track and field events. There is no other league in the world that can make a similar claim.

No, Johnson was hand-timed and timed with and the NFL's supposed 'hybrid method'...which (big surprise) gave exactly the same result.

"Meantime, TSX was told that the times announced by the NFL again will be the result of a hybrid process -- with clocks started by hand and stopped electronically. This yields results that are slower than purely hand-held clockings and faster than fully automated times.

What's the big deal?

The disparity in results among those processes could create a culture shock with football players who, historically, believed elite runners are timed in the 4.3-second range.

The fastest time announced at the combine this century was 4.24 seconds by East Carolina (Tennessee Titans) running back Chris Johnson in 2008. That happened to be both his hand held and hybrid time.

Based on empirical data kept for the last few years, his fully automated time might have been as high as 4.49 seconds -- hardly elite in football circles."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24450816/nfl-combine-popular-40-shrouded-in-secrecy


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Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 393	Posted - 2015.04.06 16:48:00 - [1] - Quote He will likely not make a roster because everyone at the NFL level has exceptional measureables. He is without question an impressive athlete, but so is everyone else when you reach an elite level. Believe it or not, technique and decision making actually do play a part. There are a number of mediocre (by NFL standards) athletes who made careers for themselves with effective release, stemming, route running, defense reading and superior hands. I've always been a little offended by the belief that practice and technique were somehow ancillary to performance. I was a decent college running back who found playing time by being an effective blocker, pass catcher and runner with exceptional ball security (zero lost fumbles in my entire career... my only impressive stat). Not having a football background is definitely going to hurt his chances. Oddly, I really miss running into people at high speed. Now the closest I get to beast mode is chasing people around with a chainsaw... http://i.imgur.com/KXMGKrw.jpg
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 394	Posted - 2015.04.06 18:41:00 - [2] - Quote GLOBAL RAGE wrote: squatdog quadbox wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: I personally train Legs with a retired 27 year old CFL player. The man is 6'7 and 270lbs and easily under 10 percent body fat. I cannot imagine a CFL player in their trainning prime, let alone a NFL player!!! Your Rugby boy hero is going to get ****** up Who is the single strongest player in the NFL, according to the NFL's own metrics? Oh that's right, it's New Zealand-born former Rugby player Stephen Paea. Whoops. He was 16 when he moved to Kansas. 49 reps @ 225lbs in a bench is impressive, by any standard. I remember watching a 185lb college defensive back doing 41 @ 225 Justin Ernest holds the NFL record at 51 reps. Reps at 225 is a poor metric for strength and isn't the least bit predictive of football success/likelihood of earning a roster spot. Squat, dead lift and particularly cleans are more predictive of football success, but relative levels of experience and technique dilute the value of these measures. My reps at 225 would place me in the top quarter of running backs at this years combine and I was never anywhere near good enough to earn a training camp invite, much less a spot on a roster. Anyone want to wager some ISK I could do at least 18x225? I'm at work so it will have to be on a smith machine, but I can post a video :).
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 394	Posted - 2015.04.06 20:53:00 - [3] - Quote squatdog quadbox wrote: P14GU3 wrote: What do micheal jordan, tiger woods, micheal phelps, and bo jackson all have in common? They are all considered by many to be the greatest athletes to ever live. They are also all american. The only other country to even come close to producing the amount of great athletes that America has, is Russia. And even then I can only think of a couple boxers and gymnasts.. How about the tiny island nation of Jamaica completely dominating Olympic track events, with Usain Bolt being a global superstar and arguably the greatest sprinter ever? Virtually no-one outside of America would even have a clue who 'Bo Jackson' is. Jamaica has a very strong track tradition, but their dominance in short and short-middle distances is relatively recent. Moreover, the population is predominantly of West African descent, a genetic group that has done particularly well in sprints. Small countries have been able to do well in events in which they focus, that require limited infrastructure, and require a particular configuration of attributes (boxing, wrestling, weight lifting, some track events). Team sports and/or those that require more complicated training infrastructure have traditionally been dominated by larger countries, with the US doing particularly well. I would say that the US has more than a representative number of internationally known athletes, although this likely owes to the cultural power of the nation as much as their sports prowess. This is particularly surprising given the US has a relatively weak soccer tradition, a sport with more international presence than almost any other.
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 394	Posted - 2015.04.06 21:00:00 - [4] - Quote squatdog quadbox wrote: Quote: , there will be some players who do not have "enough" to play in the NFL that will cross over-we have thousands of College players, that are bigger, stronger and a lot faster than any thing you guys have ever seen. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!! There have been literally DOZENS of former Div.I College Football players who have attempted to play Rugby professionally over the last 20 years. Every single one of them has failed miserably. Once again, the vast majority of players in the NFL (let alone College Football) aren't even remotely exceptional compared to elite athletes from other sports. From the perspective of a combination of strength, speed and explosive power, the best NFL players are among the finest athletes on earth. I don't think there is another team sports league where a handful of players could make an Olympic 100m semi-final or final. NFL players have won more than 20 gold medals in Olympic track and field events and the fastest man over 45 in the world is a former NFL wide receiver. Regarding your comment about Div I football players who attempted to play rugby at the highest levels, ~1.6% of Div I football players will make an NFL roster, so Div I football players are not very representative of the level of talent in the NFL.
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 394	Posted - 2015.04.06 21:22:00 - [5] - Quote My comments were not intended to be jingoistic in any way, merely an attempt to show that even a great athlete is unlikely to succeed at a complicated sport they have limited experience in. I added additional clarification regarding the general athletic quality of NFL football players, which is objective high given that no other league has produced so many Olympic medalists in a sport other than that played by said league. Any international takers for my ISK bet (20x225 on bench)? I'm in my late 30's and I only weigh ~190lbs these days, so it's kind of a toss up if I can do it or not.
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 395	Posted - 2015.04.06 22:54:00 - [6] - Quote Chris Johnson is a good point of comparison given that he has been timed both electronically and using the NFL hybrid method. He was ~.2 of a second slower in high school than an eventual Bronze medal winner in the 100m (he came in 4th at the state meet). Had he specialized in track rather than in football, he would have a decent chance of qualifying as an Olympic alternate or as a member of the 4x100. By any account, that is freakishly fast. Moreover, I repeat my assertion that NFL players have won ~20 gold medals in track and field events. There is no other league in the world that can make a similar claim.
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix 395	Posted - 2015.04.06 23:16:00 - [7] - Quote squatdog quadbox wrote: Aramis Madrigal wrote: Chris Johnson is a good point of comparison given that he has been timed both electronically and using the NFL hybrid method. He was ~.2 of a second slower in high school than an eventual Bronze medal winner in the 100m (he came in 4th at the state meet). Had he specialized in track rather than in football, he would have a decent chance of qualifying as an Olympic alternate or as a member of the 4x100. By any account, that is freakishly fast. Moreover, I repeat my assertion that NFL players have won ~20 gold medals in track and field events. There is no other league in the world that can make a similar claim. No, Johnson was hand-timed and timed with and the NFL's supposed 'hybrid method'...which (big surprise) gave exactly the same result. "Meantime, TSX was told that the times announced by the NFL again will be the result of a hybrid process -- with clocks started by hand and stopped electronically. This yields results that are slower than purely hand-held clockings and faster than fully automated times. What's the big deal? The disparity in results among those processes could create a culture shock with football players who, historically, believed elite runners are timed in the 4.3-second range. The fastest time announced at the combine this century was 4.24 seconds by East Carolina (Tennessee Titans) running back Chris Johnson in 2008. That happened to be both his hand held and hybrid time. Based on empirical data kept for the last few years, his fully automated time might have been as high as 4.49 seconds -- hardly elite in football circles." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24450816/nfl-combine-popular-40-shrouded-in-secrecy Look at his Florida state meet results, where he was timed electronically, coming in fourth behind eventual Olympic medalist Walter Dix. Some of Johnson's electronically timed high school times are in line with the qualifying rounds of the Olympics. The guy is fast...