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GENERAL FCF Sentinels of New Eden 74	Posted - 2015.03.29 02:01:00 - [1] - Quote 1. Take away the red line and make it a yellow line for a warning GÜá sign. 2. Equip the MCC with more turrets (the same ones that deal ludicrous amounts of damage to damage other MCC's) specifically for trespassers whether they be land/air 3. Equip the MCC with passive radial scans that ping trespassers therefore making them visible (on field) as long as they're behind enemy lines to decloak cloaking devices. 4. Watch trespassers red-lineing get targeted by the MCC guns and instantly get blown to poop piles. No random exploding, legitimate "you crossed, you're screwed ".
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5599	Posted - 2015.03.29 02:17:00 - [2] - Quote I don't see how this is a "fix" more so a simply change in how you die, that is functionally the same thing. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
GENERAL FCF Sentinels of New Eden 74	Posted - 2015.03.29 02:20:00 - [3] - Quote Read it carefully again.... Then you will answer your own question.... Understanding will come, I hope....
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 527	Posted - 2015.03.29 06:00:00 - [4] - Quote Red line should = a force field can't shoot in or out but if you leave you cannot enter back in. And add vehicle nanohives and supply depots. Caldari Loyalist. buff swarms... D
vogon mugwump Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 36	Posted - 2015.03.29 09:25:00 - [5] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Red line should = a force field can't shoot in or out but if you leave you cannot enter back in. And add vehicle nanohives and supply depots. Like a staging ground near the MCC :) Something like this was shown in the original DUST concept but without the force field. It supposedly was put there by the MCC commander - a role that is yet to appear in game and who also was also supposed to be responsible for placement of turrets to aim his team. Something else that could aid a struggling team :)
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2598	Posted - 2015.03.29 16:48:00 - [6] - Quote GENERAL FCF wrote: 1. Take away the red line and make it a yellow line for a warning GÜá sign. 2. Equip the MCC with more turrets (the same ones that deal ludicrous amounts of damage to damage other MCC's) specifically for trespassers whether they be land/air 3. Equip the MCC with passive radial scans that ping trespassers therefore making them visible (on field) as long as they're behind enemy lines to decloak cloaking devices. 4. Watch trespassers red-lineing get targeted by the MCC guns and instantly get blown to poop piles. No random exploding, legitimate "you crossed, you're screwed ". It works and is immersive, which is a big bonus. It might be a bit more demanding of game resources, not sure. In thinking about the 'redline problem' two thoughts that always come to mind are: 1) Do we really need to load that giant map into memory? Assuming that we still are, ofc, but it looks like it. We know the memory budget is tight, why not chop the map off at 200 m past the redline, just obscure it with some mist or something equivalent. If it gives us more frames it's justified imo. 2) How would New Eden corporations really write the contract for employing mercs? What features would we mercs insist on in the contracts? Besides immersion-for-free(There should be a reference document that mercs can actually read in their quarters or while hiding on the battlefield, as well as a 'Do you accept the terms of this Contract?' signoff button before every contract match(someday we'll have custom corporation contracts were we do the same thing for District Maintenance, harassment, auto-defense, etc.)), investing in re-thinking public contracts can prolly contribute to resolving some of our redline issues. It's worth a second look for the immersion alone, but also for gameplay. PSN: RationalSpark
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 952	Posted - 2015.03.29 16:48:00 - [7] - Quote Move the redzone back, add the permanently scanned idea where the redzone used to be. The MCC blowing you up, would be cool, but it's still the same as the timer... something to hide behind when you're losing/lazy. Some of the maps would need the MCC pushed back, or some other spawn point further back.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1184	Posted - 2015.03.29 19:44:00 - [8] - Quote The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. /Faceplam
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2433	Posted - 2015.03.29 21:24:00 - [9] - Quote Lingering within your own redline for 'long' periods of time (per clone) should cause loss of warpoints. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2840	Posted - 2015.03.29 21:40:00 - [10] - Quote Just add invincible superAI Large Blaster Turrets around the spawning areas and below the MCCs, and remove redlines. >Perfect tracking and headshot aim out to 80m. >Shoots slow moving projectiles out of the air. Plasma Cannons, Swarms, Forge Guns, Ect... >Cloaks can't hide from them. >300% damage to vehicles. >Not player controllable. Home at Last <3

GENERAL FCF Sentinels of New Eden 85	Posted - 2015.03.31 04:13:00 - [11] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: It works and is immersive, which is a big bonus. It might be a bit more demanding of game resources, not sure. In thinking about the 'redline problem' two thoughts that always come to mind are: 1) Do we really need to load that giant map into memory? Assuming that we still are, ofc, but it looks like it. We know the memory budget is tight, why not chop the map off at 200 m past the redline, just obscure it with some mist or something equivalent. If it gives us more frames it's justified imo. 2) How would New Eden corporations really write the contract for employing mercs? What features would we mercs insist on in the contracts? Besides immersion-for-free(There should be a reference document that mercs can actually read in their quarters or while hiding on the battlefield, as well as a 'Do you accept the terms of this Contract?' signoff button before every contract match(someday we'll have custom corporation contracts were we do the same thing for District Maintenance, harassment, auto-defense, etc.)), investing in re-thinking public contracts can prolly contribute to resolving some of our redline issues. It's worth a second look for the immersion alone, but also for gameplay. Plenty of good ideas here! I especially like the having something to do in the merc quarters. As far as running low on resources, it's inevitable without going to the PS4. CCP plans on releasing much more content this year so I think they're getting better at compressing although I wouldn't mind more frames! Especially a CCP* one ;) :D aww snap!
Greiv Rabbah M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command 302	Posted - 2015.03.31 04:46:00 - [12] - Quote i feel like the best non-gimmick redline fix is to have a way to get rid of the redline without it being an abusable "first team to spanwcamp wins" scenario... working on ideas for that, nothing good to share right now... will try to come back with something decent eventually Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
Greiv Rabbah M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command 302	Posted - 2015.03.31 04:49:00 - [13] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: GENERAL FCF wrote: 1. Take away the red line and make it a yellow line for a warning GÜá sign. 2. Equip the MCC with more turrets (the same ones that deal ludicrous amounts of damage to damage other MCC's) specifically for trespassers whether they be land/air 3. Equip the MCC with passive radial scans that ping trespassers therefore making them visible (on field) as long as they're behind enemy lines to decloak cloaking devices. 4. Watch trespassers red-lineing get targeted by the MCC guns and instantly get blown to poop piles. No random exploding, legitimate "you crossed, you're screwed ". It works and is immersive, which is a big bonus. It might be a bit more demanding of game resources, not sure. In thinking about the 'redline problem' two thoughts that always come to mind are: 1) Do we really need to load that giant map into memory? Assuming that we still are, ofc, but it looks like it. We know the memory budget is tight, why not chop the map off at 200 m past the redline, just obscure it with some mist or something equivalent. If it gives us more frames it's justified imo. 2) How would New Eden corporations really write the contract for employing mercs? What features would we mercs insist on in the contracts? Besides immersion-for-free(There should be a reference document that mercs can actually read in their quarters or while hiding on the battlefield, as well as a 'Do you accept the terms of this Contract?' signoff button before every contract match(someday we'll have custom corporation contracts were we do the same thing for District Maintenance, harassment, auto-defense, etc.)), investing in re-thinking public contracts can prolly contribute to resolving some of our redline issues. It's worth a second look for the immersion alone, but also for gameplay. i'm completely in favor of re-evaluating how public contracts work, especially considering that when i get put in a fight with holdfast vs TLF, as a sebiestor how in the world am i supposed to fight my hardest for the slavers against my people when all theyre doing is trying to liberate slaves?! some things like this make no sense. its like a gallennte fighting for CPD, theres no way. Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 19362	Posted - 2015.03.31 05:47:00 - [14] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3147	Posted - 2015.03.31 06:06:00 - [15] - Quote Move the redline back a few hundred meters so everyone has to come out and risk some ISK. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5523	Posted - 2015.03.31 06:11:00 - [16] - Quote vogon mugwump wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Red line should = a force field can't shoot in or out but if you leave you cannot enter back in. And add vehicle nanohives and supply depots. Like a staging ground near the MCC :) Something like this was shown in the original DUST concept but without the force field. It supposedly was put there by the MCC commander - a role that is yet to appear in game and who also was also supposed to be responsible for placement of turrets to aid his team. Something else that could aid a struggling team :) And something that will never happen because someone at Shanghai coded the turrets in such a way that they can only fall onto pre-built sockets on the map. CCP's programmers are apparently fans of irreversible technical debt that directly contradicts the stated design documents. Sure would love to know who was supervising that one. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7768	Posted - 2015.03.31 07:50:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! Add to this for the inevitable spawn camp push that results In a massacre: Spend 150 WP to engage a targeted skydrop. You said it was compelling... Once. But if it becomes a warpoint-spend tactical option it has more meaning than "feature for the sake of a feature." CONCORD kills (insert nerd here) with Limited Precision Strike. them jovian targeting systems. Thread a needle from orbit, or so they say. AV
Genral69 death Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 138	Posted - 2015.03.31 08:34:00 - [18] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Red line should = a force field can't shoot in or out but if you leave you cannot enter back in. And add vehicle nanohives and supply depots. I'm mot so sure about this idea. I was playing around with a logi with kincats and myrofibs and was doing quite well. Had to run back to the redline for ammo twice. Yes I am a logi I could bring my own ammo but id rather have support for the blues when it comes to it (needle,rep and uplinks) . Also this would be a pain in the arse when calling on a vechile. Countless times I've called in a vehicle and its dropped it in the redline . However It is about stupid that I can rush into the redline and kill someone and make it out in time. Your sincerely the Cookie Monster General limited: warming failure to pay, may lead to death,massive amount of pain or even lose of family. Since 1995
Regis Blackbird Dust University Ivy League 685	Posted - 2015.03.31 09:37:00 - [19] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Move the redline back a few hundred meters so everyone has to come out and risk some ISK. This ^ In fact, why not just remove the redline altogether apart from around the MCC? What would happen if we actually use the gigantic maps that we do have? Would the PS3 melt? If we open up the maps and only block around the MCC, we don't need portals etc to escape red-lining. You just "slip out the back" and do a huge flanking manouvere using fast LAVs. Redlining is only effective right now since you have a firing squad on one side, and "CONCORD" on the other.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7768	Posted - 2015.03.31 09:46:00 - [20] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Move the redline back a few hundred meters so everyone has to come out and risk some ISK. Make rail tanks unable to hang back and casually snipe at people and trivially back up to recover without serious fear of retaliation? I'm sold. I like this idea better than the concord kill. Far more satisfying To actually have the bastards having nowhere to run to, running them down and executing them like rabid dogs. AV

Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 240	Posted - 2015.03.31 09:56:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! Headcanon becoming realcanon? Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3672	Posted - 2015.03.31 10:30:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! Win. I always just assumed we had a inbuilt safety catch that went off if we left the battlefield to stop 514s from escaping =ƒÿå bring more new Eden into dust is frankly a must Gÿ¦ You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Miokai Zahou warravens 456	Posted - 2015.03.31 10:57:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! If that is the case then wouldn't it be logical to also add some civilian buildings into the red line to make look like they are livable habitats ie. small department blocks on both sides? Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head. pâ+(n+ƒ-ön+ƒ)n+ë
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 947	Posted - 2015.03.31 11:49:00 - [24] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Move the redline back a few hundred meters so everyone has to come out and risk some ISK. with their BPO's? what risk?
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7770	Posted - 2015.03.31 11:55:00 - [25] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! If that is the case then wouldn't it be logical to also add some civilian buildings into the red line to make look like they are livable habitats ie. small department blocks on both sides? Graphical limits. If we can fix the rendering issues that seem endemic, we can squeeze more range out of the guns and potentially more background detail. But one consideration is that the biomass outpost in line harvest (the towers) wouldn't actually be manned by mercs, but by civilians. And. When a shotgun is vomiting ambiplasma to kill a target you have to consider the residual hazards the mercs are creating. Radiation, heat pollution, damaged facilities that can collapse/explode. Concord is there to enforce limits on persons whose antitank landmines are often low-yield tactical antimatter charges. AV
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4421	Posted - 2015.03.31 12:20:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! So yesterday i went into the enemy redline 3 times to kill a redline rail tank. If i did this with this terrible idea in place i get concorded and the redline rail tank gets all the protection without any risk and can still ping me from the redline in safety. Bottom line this is another safety net in addition to the redline. How easy is this game going to get? Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game RUST415 706	Posted - 2015.03.31 12:24:00 - [27] - Quote I personally like to think the redline is the limit of range from the mcc that your mind can be transferred to a new clone upon death. This would allow mcc's to fly around a large battlefield projecting an area where mercs can operate. Maybe in a future iteration of the game.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 976	Posted - 2015.03.31 12:55:00 - [28] - Quote GENERAL FCF wrote: 1. Take away the red line and make it a yellow line for a warning GÜá sign. 2. Equip the MCC with more turrets (the same ones that deal ludicrous amounts of damage to damage other MCC's) specifically for trespassers whether they be land/air 3. Equip the MCC with passive radial scans that ping trespassers therefore making them visible (on field) as long as they're behind enemy lines to decloak cloaking devices. 4. Watch trespassers red-lineing get targeted by the MCC guns and instantly get blown to poop piles. No random exploding, legitimate "you crossed, you're screwed ". I always thought the problem with the redline was with the pussies that hid in it? You seem to think that the problem is that you're not even safe.inside it? LOL
Aeon Amadi Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 9373	Posted - 2015.03.31 13:11:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! Wasn't the redline already explained as being a kill-signal to the implant in the clone's head whenever they ventured outside the pre-determined battlespace? I like this explanation as it sort of expands on that, but only if there's no fundamental change to how redline mechanics work. On the topic of MCC guns though, I'd love it if we had turrets we could man on the MCC specifically for Redline camping defense - not unlike AC-130 use in Battlefield. Just make it to where they can't be operated unless the enemy team has all of the objectives or something, that way you discourage AFKers chilling in the guns for the duration of the match. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3672	Posted - 2015.03.31 13:55:00 - [30] - Quote The idea itself could be natural growth as we become more powerful. It's natural to assume we could find ways around any kill switch. So concord has to look to other methods and a off map blap cannon fixes the problem. Concord will end up being refs in games of war. Immortally is a fun concept =ƒÿå You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance

Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1520	Posted - 2015.03.31 14:47:00 - [31] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Move the redline back a few hundred meters so everyone has to come out and risk some ISK. I would vastly prefer that to shrinking the battlefield with artificial mechanics. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Brush Master Onslaught Inc 1473	Posted - 2015.03.31 15:36:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! At least extend the redzone out further for dropships, smaller maps, you can literally not fly due to redzone being so close that it locks you into tank / forge guns range. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 964	Posted - 2015.03.31 16:10:00 - [33] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So yesterday i went into the enemy redline 3 times to kill a redline rail tank. If i did this with this terrible idea in place i get concorded and the redline rail tank gets all the protection without any risk and can still ping me from the redline in safety. Bottom line this is another safety net in addition to the redline. How easy is this game going to get? I was under the impression people shooting in and people shooting out get the same warning. Let people get 3 warnings that refresh every 5 - 10 minnutes of gameplay. On your 3rd the MCC aims it's turret at you and just goes nuts. Aeon Amadi wrote: On the topic of MCC guns though, I'd love it if we had turrets we could man on the MCC specifically for Redline camping defense - not unlike AC-130 use in Battlefield. Just make it to where they can't be operated unless the enemy team has all of the objectives or something, that way you discourage AFKers chilling in the guns for the duration of the match. But people could stand around and wait for the match to go so badly that they can jump into one they've been running into the whole match, to avoid getting kicked.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4422	Posted - 2015.03.31 16:20:00 - [34] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So yesterday i went into the enemy redline 3 times to kill a redline rail tank. If i did this with this terrible idea in place i get concorded and the redline rail tank gets all the protection without any risk and can still ping me from the redline in safety. Bottom line this is another safety net in addition to the redline. How easy is this game going to get? I was under the impression people shooting in and people shooting out get the same warning. Let people get 3 warnings that refresh every 5 - 10 minnutes of gameplay. On your 3rd the MCC aims it's turret at you and just goes nuts. It gets even worse then espc for vehicles because your only supply depot is in the back and you need ammo or you need to wait for your mods to cooldown because going out cold is the worst thing you can do with AV being about and invisible. Why would your MCC target you? That makes no sense CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 964	Posted - 2015.03.31 16:31:00 - [35] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So yesterday i went into the enemy redline 3 times to kill a redline rail tank. If i did this with this terrible idea in place i get concorded and the redline rail tank gets all the protection without any risk and can still ping me from the redline in safety. Bottom line this is another safety net in addition to the redline. How easy is this game going to get? I was under the impression people shooting in and people shooting out get the same warning. Let people get 3 warnings that refresh every 5 - 10 minnutes of gameplay. On your 3rd the MCC aims it's turret at you and just goes nuts. It gets even worse then espc for vehicles because your only supply depot is in the back and you need ammo or you need to wait for your mods to cooldown because going out cold is the worst thing you can do with AV being about and invisible. Why would your MCC target you? That makes no sense Because you're endangering the civilians? Shooting guns too close to them... Also hiding in the redzone is 1 of 2 things we want gone, if you bring out your tank you should keep it alive by avoiding the AV while they cooldown, some maps are big and have decent obstacles for this. Not really sure how it affects the vehicles though... If you go in the redzone, you can't shoot and people can't shoot at you (more than twice, without being obliterated and potentially kicked from the match.) Currently you have AV camped on your redzone through some matches anyway, waiting for vehicles to be called in/driven out... The difference being that they wouldn't be able to shoot (safely) until you leave... With swarms you could reverse back into the red before they hit and get them a warning.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4422	Posted - 2015.03.31 17:03:00 - [36] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So yesterday i went into the enemy redline 3 times to kill a redline rail tank. If i did this with this terrible idea in place i get concorded and the redline rail tank gets all the protection without any risk and can still ping me from the redline in safety. Bottom line this is another safety net in addition to the redline. How easy is this game going to get? I was under the impression people shooting in and people shooting out get the same warning. Let people get 3 warnings that refresh every 5 - 10 minnutes of gameplay. On your 3rd the MCC aims it's turret at you and just goes nuts. It gets even worse then espc for vehicles because your only supply depot is in the back and you need ammo or you need to wait for your mods to cooldown because going out cold is the worst thing you can do with AV being about and invisible. Why would your MCC target you? That makes no sense Because you're endangering the civilians? Shooting guns too close to them... Also hiding in the redzone is 1 of 2 things we want gone, if you bring out your tank you should keep it alive by avoiding the AV while they cooldown, some maps are big and have decent obstacles for this. Not really sure how it affects the vehicles though... If you go in the redzone, you can't shoot and people can't shoot at you (more than twice, without being obliterated and potentially kicked from the match.) Currently you have AV camped on your redzone through some matches anyway, waiting for vehicles to be called in/driven out... The difference being that they wouldn't be able to shoot (safely) until you leave... With swarms you could reverse back into the red before they hit and get them a warning. This isn't Ukraine Simulator 2015 While it is nice to say avoiding AV my tank cannot fly, swarms bend round corners and infantry gets around quick on some maps and if JLAV is about your not safe anywhere outside the redline. If you are going to have a buffer zone then the redline needs to go back further but might as well move the redline back anyways and forc players to go 500m out to get the the area CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 964	Posted - 2015.03.31 17:35:00 - [37] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: This isn't Ukraine Simulator 2015 While it is nice to say avoiding AV my tank cannot fly, swarms bend round corners and infantry gets around quick on some maps and if JLAV is about you're not safe anywhere outside the redline. If you are going to have a buffer zone then the redline needs to go back further but might as well move the redline back anyways and forc players to go 500m out to get the the area Move the redzone back, yes... Safest from jihaads in the redzone? no wonder you hate them, that's the easiest place to kill a tank with them, 20 seconds and you die, doesn't even have to ram, just stick to the side of it and everyone goes out in a blaze of glory. May not be Ukraine Sim, but if you read Rattati's post...
Greiv Rabbah M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command 305	Posted - 2015.03.31 18:49:00 - [38] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. this is the most sensible thing i can think to maintain/increase immersion while explaining the presence of a redline. two questions: 1) does CONCORD operate planetside? i may be missing something in the lore(theres a lot of it, a LLOOOTT of it) but i was under the impression that CONCORD kept to spacefaring affairs and left the little people on the planets to our own devices. 2) Rattati suggested redline deaths as CONCORD kills.. as CONCORD never aggresses and only acts in the defense of others to maintain the balance, this explanation breaks immersion a little. can you offer a counter suggestion to why redline deaths occur that makes more sense in-universe? My previous thoughts were that redline deaths could be explained by sleeper drone presence in the redline, but this is only applicable to absolute redlines, and doesnt work for a teams home base(because if there were sleeper drones in your homebase, why would they be attacking the enemy but not you?) i'd like to say i've got a good idea, but my best thoughts on how to handle this arent well formed at the moment. overall, great idea! cant believe i missed this one Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
Dropship One DROPSHIP ONE OPERATIONS 1	Posted - 2015.03.31 20:51:00 - [39] - Quote If the red lines go away, proto stomping will be more fun or even less fun on the receiving end. People will hide in the MCC or quit the game making the game even more boring for the people stomping. People shouldn't be forced to die! They should be encouraged to fight!! Extra war points for killing the top slayers for example!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2604	Posted - 2015.03.31 21:13:00 - [40] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! Wasn't the redline already explained as being a kill-signal to the implant in the clone's head whenever they ventured outside the pre-determined battlespace? I like this explanation as it sort of expands on that, but only if there's no fundamental change to how redline mechanics work. On the topic of MCC guns though, I'd love it if we had turrets we could man on the MCC specifically for Redline camping defense - not unlike AC-130 use in Battlefield. Just make it to where they can't be operated unless the enemy team has all of the objectives or something, that way you discourage AFKers chilling in the guns for the duration of the match. Looking at what's been proposed so far, the final document outlining the terms of merc contracts is likely going to be defined by the needs of New Eden corporations, but as constrained by Concord law. If we really want to add realism, Concord and/or the empires will be taxing these legally sanctioned business activities. Each battle would require a permit, let's call it a 'Transfer of Operations' permit. As we move out from high to null sec the contracts will have the Concord inefficiencies removed to allow more streamlined business practices..... That might mean that in nullsec/PC there are no redlines. Sounds like a great place to be a civilian. PSN: RationalSpark

DJINN Jecture MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 315	Posted - 2015.04.01 05:25:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! Redline sniping, stupid people who can't figure out how to push out of the redline should still be valid targets regardless of where they are sitting, remove the redline completely, its for people who are failing anyways. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
DJINN Jecture MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 315	Posted - 2015.04.01 05:33:00 - [42] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! So yesterday i went into the enemy redline 3 times to kill a redline rail tank. If i did this with this terrible idea in place i get concorded and the redline rail tank gets all the protection without any risk and can still ping me from the redline in safety. Bottom line this is another safety net in addition to the redline. How easy is this game going to get? Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 My point exactly...and besides which CONCORD does not actually police planets and is only sanctioned to act in space in retaliation to acts of agression, its not there to stop people from killing each other only to punish them when they do, couple that with the fact that contracts take place in 1.0-0.1 security space and Concorde doesn't even patrol in lowsec you are breaking stuff that works fine now as is in EVE on TQ when mechanics exist only to keep the team under the hottest pressure from being wiped out too early and make them squirm a bit. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game RUST415 499	Posted - 2015.04.01 07:02:00 - [43] - Quote Disable the ability to run back in the redline, add supply depot everywhere, and make 100m or more range weapon impossible to shoot while inside the redline (i.e. Railgun tanks and snipers) Fix the game before trying to add anything else. (Hint: hit detection, lags, glitches,.. you've got some work :) )
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3155	Posted - 2015.04.01 17:17:00 - [44] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Move the redline back a few hundred meters so everyone has to come out and risk some ISK. Make rail tanks unable to hang back and casually snipe at people and trivially back up to recover without serious fear of retaliation? I'm sold. I like this idea better than the concord kill. Far more satisfying To actually have the bastards having nowhere to run to, running them down and executing them like rabid dogs. Yes, because you see me in matches so much that you know I hide in the redline. Play the game. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3015	Posted - 2015.04.01 17:48:00 - [45] - Quote GENERAL FCF wrote: 1. Take away the red line and make it a yellow line for a warning GÜá sign. 2. Equip the MCC with more turrets (the same ones that deal ludicrous amounts of damage to damage other MCC's) specifically for trespassers whether they be land/air 3. Equip the MCC with passive radial scans that ping trespassers therefore making them visible (on field) as long as they're behind enemy lines to decloak cloaking devices. 4. Watch trespassers red-lineing get targeted by the MCC guns and instantly get blown to poop piles. No random exploding, legitimate "you crossed, you're screwed ". **** no, There's legit reasons to go into the redline (traveling paths for vehicles). Denied. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 2045	Posted - 2015.04.01 17:49:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! Please to god make it happen ..... you could go as far as having a concord ship decloak like a Bolas and blap you on the spot say 3 seconds after you kill a red in the protected area. I would also go as far as having the protected zones kill friendly aswell thusly disabling red line snipers and rail tanks. You could even say increase the protected zones by say 150 m if all the points are capped by 1 team . Proud Caldari purist . Rank 10 colonel omiwarrior. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
emm kay Direct Action Resources 294	Posted - 2015.04.01 18:08:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! can we have sec statuses, too? aside from that, if CONCORD is protecting civillians, then tanks should be limited to transport only while in the redline. Godin Thekiller wrote: **** no, There's legit reasons to go into the redline (traveling paths for vehicles). Denied. step 1: put HAV in reverse. step 2:??? step 3: profit. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE Immortals of War 1337	Posted - 2015.04.01 18:54:00 - [48] - Quote the redlines for the attacker and defender need to be looked at entirely as well as adding redline "spots" where gross strategic imbalances happen to protect defender/attacker safezones. prime example is the train map 2 tanks can trap the team from escaping the readline because of lack of cover if ccp had the new maps in the map feedback section (hint hint) it would be easier to visually display my point. *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist x5)* Caldari Loyalist 22 million sp in drop suit upgrades
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 880	Posted - 2015.04.01 18:56:00 - [49] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. I like this, +1 Know what cannot be known.
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 47	Posted - 2015.04.02 01:48:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: The redline should be a concord sanctioned boundary, everything within is an active battlefield anything outside is protected by concord to prevent the deaths of lets say civilians. You kill anyone while within the redzone you get concorded just like in EVE. Nothing fancy just stick to the the already existing structure of how Concord works withing the New Edan universe. That's actually pretty cool, thanks for that. I would love for the warning to say "CONCORD is protecting the safety of civilians in this area" And redline suicides would be "CONCORD kills" This goes on the list! The Kill Feed should read (Concordokken'd !!!) Marcus Stormfire Concord (OMGWTFBBQ) Marcus Stormfire Sorry, when I hear of anything concord related I immediately think of this youtube video from 8 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiE8_pz013g Back to the Thread at hand. I like the idea of the Red Zone becoming a Yellow zone where anyone can go however any hostile act will result in a Merc BBQ. This would definitely cut down on redline snipers and Rail Tanks as well as those who redline others. For immersion purposes I would suggest perhaps having Concord installations act like immobile sentries protecting this area. At a later date it would be cool to have a small concord MCC to lay down the law for any violators. (Make a light show for everyone to see when someone violates the law. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1902	Posted - 2015.04.02 03:38:00 - [51] - Quote GENERAL FCF wrote: 1. Take away the red line and make it a yellow line for a warning GÜá sign. 2. Equip the MCC with more turrets (the same ones that deal ludicrous amounts of damage to damage other MCC's) specifically for trespassers whether they be land/air 3. Equip the MCC with passive radial scans that ping trespassers therefore making them visible (on field) as long as they're behind enemy lines to decloak cloaking devices. 4. Watch trespassers red-lineing get targeted by the MCC guns and instantly get blown to poop piles. No random exploding, legitimate "you crossed, you're screwed ". But... That is a gimmick by definition =/ Looking at both sides of the coin. Even Aurum one.
DJINN Jecture MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 315	Posted - 2015.04.02 04:54:00 - [52] - Quote Concord should stay in EvE and not even be considered as a viable tactic to safegaurd re-re-s who sit in the redline, the whole idea is ******. as is having a redline. -ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!! ß¦äß¦â-à**
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7776	Posted - 2015.04.02 09:50:00 - [53] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Move the redline back a few hundred meters so everyone has to come out and risk some ISK. Make rail tanks unable to hang back and casually snipe at people and trivially back up to recover without serious fear of retaliation? I'm sold. I like this idea better than the concord kill. Far more satisfying To actually have the bastards having nowhere to run to, running them down and executing them like rabid dogs. Yes, because you see me in matches so much that you know I hide in the redline. Play the game. It's nice to see you're delusional enough to believe everything is about you. Did I say anything about hunting you in the redline? No. Do I consider it likely that you're a redline camper? Absolutely. But hate to break it to you. Wasn't talking about you. You are required to pay rent to live inside my head. AV
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 50	Posted - 2015.04.02 16:20:00 - [54] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: Concord should stay in EvE and not even be considered as a viable tactic to safegaurd re-re-s who sit in the redline, the whole idea is ******. as is having a redline. I hate to break it to you but Dust 514 is part of EvE. Concord is like the United Nations of EvE. To deny their place in conflicts on the ground simply destroys a part of the Universe this game is set in. Concord is neutral and could care less who is in the proposed yellow line (both hostile and friendly). But they have a Really F* big stick to beat you with if you break the laws set by them. An idea could be that you can run up behind anyone yellow line and blast them with a shotgun, but you should get BBQ'd for it. To reduce the abuse of this tactic, The offending Merc should get flagged for 5 minutes where he gets BBQ'd whenever he enters the Yellow Zone. After the Flag he can then Re-Enter. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CONCORD -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
Ralden Caster KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 172	Posted - 2015.04.02 19:28:00 - [55] - Quote While being redlined, I had an epiphany for a redline fix: When a team is redlined, a friendly CRU is dropped from orbit into a random location in the map, so they can spawn in and launch an offensive from an unexpected angle. My pants are on fire.
DJINN Jecture MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH 315	Posted - 2015.04.02 20:24:00 - [56] - Quote Marcus Stormfire wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: Concord should stay in EvE and not even be considered as a viable tactic to safegaurd re-re-s who sit in the redline, the whole idea is ******. as is having a redline. I hate to break it to you but Dust 514 is [kindof] part of EvE. Concord is like the United Nations of EvE. To deny their place in conflicts on the ground simply destroys a part of the Universe this game is set in. Concord is neutral and could care less who is in the proposed yellow line (both hostile and friendly). But they have a Really F* big stick to beat you with if you break the laws set by them. An idea could be that you can run up behind anyone yellow line and blast them with a shotgun, but you should get BBQ'd for it. To reduce the abuse of this tactic, The offending Merc should get flagged for 5 minutes where he gets BBQ'd whenever he enters the Yellow Zone. After the Flag he can then Re-Enter. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CONCORD -Marcus Concord does nothing in Eve other than agress people who agress others in High Sec. Nothing ELSE. As its just as likely that you play Eve as I do then I would say go try mining in a Hulk, Mackinaw, Retriever, Skiff, Procurer, or Ventrure around a C.O.D.E. camp and shout in local "DOWN WITH James 3:15!!" You will have a very likely quick demonstration on how Concord works. *-ç +æ+Ä ß+¦ß¦+Gé¦ß+¡ !!!* *ß¦äß¦â-à*
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 51	Posted - 2015.04.03 00:36:00 - [57] - Quote -Marcus[/quote] Concord does nothing in Eve other than agress (sic) people who agress (sic) others in High Sec. Nothing ELSE (sic). As its just as likely that you play Eve as I do then I would say go try mining in a Hulk, Mackinaw, Retriever, Skiff, Procurer, or Ventrure (sic) around a C.O.D.E. camp and shout in local "DOWN WITH James 3:15!!" You will have a very likely quick demonstration on how Concord works.[/quote] I am very well aware of how Concord works. I fly with C.O.D.E from time to time so I know a good deal on what can and can't be done with Concord. Sounds like you lost one too many Jump Freighters to us =P. [/quote] The idea that crossing a line is punishable by death is stupid, running through the redline killing people is more resasonable (sic) but no less stupid. [/quote] Try running across the border/line of a military installation in an active war zone. People can still run into the red zone and kill people just you have a time limit to get the job done. It is generally agreed that the red line is out dated thus this is why the OP started this thread. [/quote] Fully 75% of the battles fought in Dust are in Lows Sec areas, not subject to Concord policies or even punishment for aggression. [/quote] You get security loss penalties and you contend with the gate guns. They are not much I agree however Just because Concord doesn't have ships in space does not mean they have no presence. The only place Concord has no presence is Nullsec 0.0 with the exception of DED agents and some lore related stuff. I thought that over 75% of the battles were Highsec based. I will have to pay more attention to that. [/quote] Thus I submit to the whole community that asking Concord to punish those you should have killed for being in your "end zone" is ridiculous in the extreme and should be put away along with red-line camping by simply removing the red-line.[/quote] Then you have a major issue of spawn camping which is a reason the Red line exists. Would you like it if C.O.D.E had a Dust corp and camped your MCC and ground spawn with a bunch of sentinels and logi? You would never be able to do anything. You are quick to yell "Remove the Red line" however please elaborate on your reasoning to do so. How do you propose to solve the issues that redline removal will cause? I think that using the mechanics of Concord that Henchman21 suggested is not only lore friendly but something that can be done in a reasonable amount of time. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 980	Posted - 2015.04.03 02:10:00 - [58] - Quote How about we remove the redline, but if someone gets too close to under the MCC, then random orbitals start dropping, killing just about everyone on the other team. That might deter a lot of spawn camping.


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