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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1958
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Posted - 2015.03.24 21:55:00 -
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Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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DarthJT5
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
353
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Posted - 2015.03.24 21:56:00 -
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I concur with this. Tried out the fit yesterday, nothing could kill me.
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Veteran Python Pilot for 1 year.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1958
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Posted - 2015.03.24 21:58:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:I concur with this. Tried out the fit yesterday, nothing could kill me.
When you see a proto madrugar- what fit is it 90% of the time... 2 hardeners, 2 reps. Why? Because it literally is no risk.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5578
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Posted - 2015.03.24 22:23:00 -
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More evidence that passive regeneration as a primary means for HP recovery is not a good idea.
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
477
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Posted - 2015.03.24 22:49:00 -
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If we follow the waves of opportunity idea then it's working as intended, because as soon as the hardeners drop you're dead
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DarthJT5
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.03.24 23:10:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:If we follow the waves of opportunity idea then it's working as intended, because as soon as the hardeners drop you're dead
Then where is the over half a minute COMPLETE invulnerability for the Gunnlogi? No fit can even compare
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Veteran Python Pilot for 1 year.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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Godin Thekiller
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
2996
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Posted - 2015.03.24 23:52:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
How to fix: Make it so what ever % hardening you get, your rep rate goes down by that %. 2 hardeners= 70-60% resistance, your armor rep rate should go down 70-60%.
Hell no. Making them active would work much better.
Also, are you combatting them at a distance?
ALSO, last time I checked, you should be able to tank a rail longer than a Gal HAV. Do you mean Ion cannon? Because if so, scrub, you let the BLASTER fit get on top of you.
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
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Posted - 2015.03.25 00:49:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:If we follow the waves of opportunity idea then it's working as intended, because as soon as the hardeners drop you're dead Then where is the over half a minute COMPLETE invulnerability for the Gunnlogi? No fit can even compare
Shield tanking is a different game, it's not a brawler
Just need to roll back the shield hardener fitting nerf
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
1658
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Posted - 2015.03.25 00:58:00 -
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The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess?
Mace yourself, blame someone else itGÇÖs okay, no one will believe you
AIV member.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1962
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Posted - 2015.03.25 01:00:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess?
Lol that is the most B.S. answer I have ever herd. My Proto Missile does maybe like 200 damage per missile x 12= 2400 and that is raw damage over their two hardeners without adding in the fact that they are easily repping 250+/ sec. Edit: even with one hardener, they can literally beast you.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
546
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Posted - 2015.03.25 01:37:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess?
So yeah missiles do nothing, because they will pop both hardeners. 2 hardener 2 rep madruger is overpowered. <--- period.
End of discussion.
Anyone defending this **** is an idiot or an ass. |
THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:08:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess? So yeah missiles do nothing, because they will pop both hardeners. 2 hardener 2 rep madruger is overpowered. <--- period. End of discussion. Anyone defending this **** is an idiot or an ass.
During normal usage the tank won't have both hardeners to use at the same time.
If they do then that just means they have a long period of downtime.
Armor tanks are balanced. Just make shields just as useful.
Mace yourself, blame someone else itGÇÖs okay, no one will believe you
AIV member.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1962
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:17:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess? So yeah missiles do nothing, because they will pop both hardeners. 2 hardener 2 rep madruger is overpowered. <--- period. End of discussion. Anyone defending this **** is an idiot or an ass. During normal usage the tank won't have both hardeners to use at the same time. If they do then that just means they have a long period of downtime. Armor tanks are balanced. Just make shields just as useful.
I and 90% of this community has fast enough reflexes to turn on hardeners while i'm skill knick picking at his shields with my slow RoF missiles.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
477
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:37:00 -
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It may require a more tactical approach, anyone running that fit will turn the hardeners on as soon as they take any damage, take pot shots to keep them running to the redline, get them frustrated so they don't run back and crush them when they're down
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TheEnd762
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:40:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:If we follow the waves of opportunity idea then it's working as intended, because as soon as the hardeners drop you're dead
Hardeners don't drop until after they've retreated deep into the redline. |
Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
477
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:46:00 -
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TheEnd762 wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:If we follow the waves of opportunity idea then it's working as intended, because as soon as the hardeners drop you're dead Hardeners don't drop until after they've retreated deep into the redline.
Then that's a ****, but valid tactic.
I see no difference to red line rails or changing to AV suits at a supply depot
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1962
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:49:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:It may require a more tactical approach, anyone running that fit will turn the hardeners on as soon as they take any damage, take pot shots to keep them running to the redline, get them frustrated so they don't run back and crush them when they're down
What you don't realize is that a tank isn't a one sided fight. You shoot them, they shoot you, you have to turn on your hardeners. If you are a shield tank, your hardeners don't last long at all compared to Armor Hardeners. Anyway, they rep right through all form of AV. It's lie 45 seconds of immunity, 90 in you spread out the Armor Hardeners. Anyway, once in the redline, they don't come out till the hardeners are ready.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
477
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:54:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:It may require a more tactical approach, anyone running that fit will turn the hardeners on as soon as they take any damage, take pot shots to keep them running to the redline, get them frustrated so they don't run back and crush them when they're down What you don't realize is that a tank isn't a one sided fight. You shoot them, they shoot you, you have to turn on your hardeners. If you are a shield tank, your hardeners don't last long at all compared to Armor Hardeners. Anyway, they rep right through all form of AV. It's lie 45 seconds of immunity, 90 in you spread out the Armor Hardeners. Anyway, once in the redline, they don't come out till the hardeners are ready.
 are you running blasters? If not why are they close enough to hit you?
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
477
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:57:00 -
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If they are to be nerfed I would prefer a stacking penalty increase rather than reducing effectiveness/increasing fitting
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1962
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:57:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:It may require a more tactical approach, anyone running that fit will turn the hardeners on as soon as they take any damage, take pot shots to keep them running to the redline, get them frustrated so they don't run back and crush them when they're down What you don't realize is that a tank isn't a one sided fight. You shoot them, they shoot you, you have to turn on your hardeners. If you are a shield tank, your hardeners don't last long at all compared to Armor Hardeners. Anyway, they rep right through all form of AV. It's lie 45 seconds of immunity, 90 in you spread out the Armor Hardeners. Anyway, once in the redline, they don't come out till the hardeners are ready. are you running blasters? If not why are they close enough to hit you?
Because
1. Armor tanks are not restricted to Blasters
2. because they can be.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Doc DDD
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:23:00 -
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I disagree
However
Shield tanks are underpowered
Large Rails are underpowered
Large Missiles are underpowered
Leaving blaster madrugars on the top of the mountain.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:35:00 -
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Armor tanks versus infantry right now is fully justified. Against shield tanks, its... well, yea. A rail tank is obviously still going to wreck a blaster tank on a long straightaway, regardless of which kind of HP buffer they have.
Missiles should, ultimately, be a viable means of conquering armor tanks. I don't feel large rails are UP, I feel they are doing what they are supposed to do... as a support weapon from range that can win 1v1's when the environment allows them to.
I think the shock factor here that leads to the idea of rails being UP is that its never actually been a support weapon instead of a 1v1 win-everything weapon before. You can blame CCP for screwing up the balance on that thing since the dawn of time. Only recently has it really been put where it should have been from the start.
I think in the current meta if you try to 1v1 with a shield rail, you're going to lose and you frankly deserve to lose. If you try to 1v1 with a shield missile tank and can simply find no success, there may be some legitimate cause for complaining.
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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Tread Loudly 2
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
111
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:52:00 -
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In my opinion tanks pre echo could've remain unchanged other than the bonus fitting capabilities to the madrugar... All of the other buffs/nerfs that came with it is what's causing the issue we have now.
I Like Tanks, Nova Knives and MagSec SMG's.
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tritan abbattere
DBAG CORE
60
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:58:00 -
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This is why we need capacitor in the game to help balance vehicles ......
I am the all mighty Tritan. Fear me for I am a MassHole
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WeapondigitX V7
The Exemplars
306
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:16:00 -
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I have suggested a increase in the activation delay for hardeners modules, it is currently 0.7 to 1 seconds.
I suggest increasing it to 3- 5 seconds. That would allow tanks to ambush each other when hardeners are down.
If they only let there hardeners run out while they are in the redline (retreating before hardeners run out) then that is a valid tactic that is designed by the DEVS (waves of opportunity, its just that the retreat position is chosen by the player to be further away in the redline instead of just 200m away)
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Tread Loudly 2
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
112
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:18:00 -
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WeapondigitX V7 wrote:I have suggested a increase in the activation delay for hardeners modules, it is currently 0.7 to 1 seconds.
I suggest increasing it to 3- 5 seconds. That would allow tanks to ambush each other when hardeners are down.
If they only let there hardeners run out while they are in the redline (retreating before hardeners run out) then that is a valid tactic that is designed by the DEVS (waves of opportunity, its just that the retreat position is chosen by the player to be further away in the redline instead of just 200m away)
Now I understand the redline idea... However I don't mind blowing up my tanks due to redline as long as I get the kill on that enemy tank... As that's supposedly our job in the war zone
I Like Tanks, Nova Knives and MagSec SMG's.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.25 07:54:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
I and 90% of this community has fast enough reflexes to turn on hardeners while i'm skill knick picking at his shields with my slow RoF missiles.
You, along with 90% of the DUST community are also all whiny bitches who continue to complain time and time again about whatever kills you.
Get over yourself
Mace yourself, blame someone else itGÇÖs okay, no one will believe you
AIV member.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1902
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:46:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
I and 90% of this community has fast enough reflexes to turn on hardeners while i'm skill knick picking at his shields with my slow RoF missiles.
You, along with 90% of the DUST community are also all whiny bitches who continue to complain time and time again about whatever kills you. Get over yourself
Agreed 100%
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
943
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:50:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:I concur with this. Tried out the fit yesterday, nothing could kill me.
actually, i can kill it with a ion cannon complex heat sink, and complex blaster damage mod.
dual hardener and reps
armor hardeners last longer and cooldown faster than shield hardeners while providing the same 40% damage reduction.
i think someone purposely imbalanced armor vs shield tankin in favor of armor tanking |
Racro 01 Arifistan
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
522
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:54:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
How to fix: Make it so what ever % hardening you get, your rep rate goes down by that %. 2 hardeners= 70-60% resistance, your armor rep rate should go down 70-60%.
my ion cannon maddy fit has been eating these fits for breakfeast/lunch/dinner eversince people started using it.
2 hardners/2 heavy reps still wont stand up to a ion cannon running complex blaster damage amp and complex heatsink.
complex heavy/light rep
complex 120mm plate
complex armour hardner
beats
2 complex heavy reps
2 .....armour hardners
iam comeing from both using/killing said maddy railtank fit.
Elite Gallenten Soldier
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