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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1958
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Posted - 2015.03.24 21:55:00 -
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Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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DarthJT5
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
353
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Posted - 2015.03.24 21:56:00 -
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I concur with this. Tried out the fit yesterday, nothing could kill me.
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Veteran Python Pilot for 1 year.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1958
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Posted - 2015.03.24 21:58:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:I concur with this. Tried out the fit yesterday, nothing could kill me.
When you see a proto madrugar- what fit is it 90% of the time... 2 hardeners, 2 reps. Why? Because it literally is no risk.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5578
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Posted - 2015.03.24 22:23:00 -
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More evidence that passive regeneration as a primary means for HP recovery is not a good idea.
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
477
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Posted - 2015.03.24 22:49:00 -
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If we follow the waves of opportunity idea then it's working as intended, because as soon as the hardeners drop you're dead
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DarthJT5
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
354
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Posted - 2015.03.24 23:10:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:If we follow the waves of opportunity idea then it's working as intended, because as soon as the hardeners drop you're dead
Then where is the over half a minute COMPLETE invulnerability for the Gunnlogi? No fit can even compare
Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta.
Veteran Python Pilot for 1 year.
The awnser is always XT missiles....
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Godin Thekiller
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
2996
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Posted - 2015.03.24 23:52:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
How to fix: Make it so what ever % hardening you get, your rep rate goes down by that %. 2 hardeners= 70-60% resistance, your armor rep rate should go down 70-60%.
Hell no. Making them active would work much better.
Also, are you combatting them at a distance?
ALSO, last time I checked, you should be able to tank a rail longer than a Gal HAV. Do you mean Ion cannon? Because if so, scrub, you let the BLASTER fit get on top of you.
click me
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
477
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Posted - 2015.03.25 00:49:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:If we follow the waves of opportunity idea then it's working as intended, because as soon as the hardeners drop you're dead Then where is the over half a minute COMPLETE invulnerability for the Gunnlogi? No fit can even compare
Shield tanking is a different game, it's not a brawler
Just need to roll back the shield hardener fitting nerf
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
1658
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Posted - 2015.03.25 00:58:00 -
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The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess?
Mace yourself, blame someone else itGÇÖs okay, no one will believe you
AIV member.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1962
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Posted - 2015.03.25 01:00:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess?
Lol that is the most B.S. answer I have ever herd. My Proto Missile does maybe like 200 damage per missile x 12= 2400 and that is raw damage over their two hardeners without adding in the fact that they are easily repping 250+/ sec. Edit: even with one hardener, they can literally beast you.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
546
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Posted - 2015.03.25 01:37:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess?
So yeah missiles do nothing, because they will pop both hardeners. 2 hardener 2 rep madruger is overpowered. <--- period.
End of discussion.
Anyone defending this **** is an idiot or an ass. |
THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
1660
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:08:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess? So yeah missiles do nothing, because they will pop both hardeners. 2 hardener 2 rep madruger is overpowered. <--- period. End of discussion. Anyone defending this **** is an idiot or an ass.
During normal usage the tank won't have both hardeners to use at the same time.
If they do then that just means they have a long period of downtime.
Armor tanks are balanced. Just make shields just as useful.
Mace yourself, blame someone else itGÇÖs okay, no one will believe you
AIV member.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1962
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:17:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess? So yeah missiles do nothing, because they will pop both hardeners. 2 hardener 2 rep madruger is overpowered. <--- period. End of discussion. Anyone defending this **** is an idiot or an ass. During normal usage the tank won't have both hardeners to use at the same time. If they do then that just means they have a long period of downtime. Armor tanks are balanced. Just make shields just as useful.
I and 90% of this community has fast enough reflexes to turn on hardeners while i'm skill knick picking at his shields with my slow RoF missiles.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
477
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:37:00 -
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It may require a more tactical approach, anyone running that fit will turn the hardeners on as soon as they take any damage, take pot shots to keep them running to the redline, get them frustrated so they don't run back and crush them when they're down
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TheEnd762
SVER True Blood
733
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:40:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:If we follow the waves of opportunity idea then it's working as intended, because as soon as the hardeners drop you're dead
Hardeners don't drop until after they've retreated deep into the redline. |
Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
477
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:46:00 -
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TheEnd762 wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:If we follow the waves of opportunity idea then it's working as intended, because as soon as the hardeners drop you're dead Hardeners don't drop until after they've retreated deep into the redline.
Then that's a ****, but valid tactic.
I see no difference to red line rails or changing to AV suits at a supply depot
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1962
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:49:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:It may require a more tactical approach, anyone running that fit will turn the hardeners on as soon as they take any damage, take pot shots to keep them running to the redline, get them frustrated so they don't run back and crush them when they're down
What you don't realize is that a tank isn't a one sided fight. You shoot them, they shoot you, you have to turn on your hardeners. If you are a shield tank, your hardeners don't last long at all compared to Armor Hardeners. Anyway, they rep right through all form of AV. It's lie 45 seconds of immunity, 90 in you spread out the Armor Hardeners. Anyway, once in the redline, they don't come out till the hardeners are ready.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
477
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:54:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:It may require a more tactical approach, anyone running that fit will turn the hardeners on as soon as they take any damage, take pot shots to keep them running to the redline, get them frustrated so they don't run back and crush them when they're down What you don't realize is that a tank isn't a one sided fight. You shoot them, they shoot you, you have to turn on your hardeners. If you are a shield tank, your hardeners don't last long at all compared to Armor Hardeners. Anyway, they rep right through all form of AV. It's lie 45 seconds of immunity, 90 in you spread out the Armor Hardeners. Anyway, once in the redline, they don't come out till the hardeners are ready.
 are you running blasters? If not why are they close enough to hit you?
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
477
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:57:00 -
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If they are to be nerfed I would prefer a stacking penalty increase rather than reducing effectiveness/increasing fitting
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1962
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:57:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:It may require a more tactical approach, anyone running that fit will turn the hardeners on as soon as they take any damage, take pot shots to keep them running to the redline, get them frustrated so they don't run back and crush them when they're down What you don't realize is that a tank isn't a one sided fight. You shoot them, they shoot you, you have to turn on your hardeners. If you are a shield tank, your hardeners don't last long at all compared to Armor Hardeners. Anyway, they rep right through all form of AV. It's lie 45 seconds of immunity, 90 in you spread out the Armor Hardeners. Anyway, once in the redline, they don't come out till the hardeners are ready. are you running blasters? If not why are they close enough to hit you?
Because
1. Armor tanks are not restricted to Blasters
2. because they can be.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Doc DDD
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
421
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:23:00 -
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I disagree
However
Shield tanks are underpowered
Large Rails are underpowered
Large Missiles are underpowered
Leaving blaster madrugars on the top of the mountain.
As was predicted with all the nonsensical nerfs. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:35:00 -
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Armor tanks versus infantry right now is fully justified. Against shield tanks, its... well, yea. A rail tank is obviously still going to wreck a blaster tank on a long straightaway, regardless of which kind of HP buffer they have.
Missiles should, ultimately, be a viable means of conquering armor tanks. I don't feel large rails are UP, I feel they are doing what they are supposed to do... as a support weapon from range that can win 1v1's when the environment allows them to.
I think the shock factor here that leads to the idea of rails being UP is that its never actually been a support weapon instead of a 1v1 win-everything weapon before. You can blame CCP for screwing up the balance on that thing since the dawn of time. Only recently has it really been put where it should have been from the start.
I think in the current meta if you try to 1v1 with a shield rail, you're going to lose and you frankly deserve to lose. If you try to 1v1 with a shield missile tank and can simply find no success, there may be some legitimate cause for complaining.
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Tread Loudly 2
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
111
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:52:00 -
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In my opinion tanks pre echo could've remain unchanged other than the bonus fitting capabilities to the madrugar... All of the other buffs/nerfs that came with it is what's causing the issue we have now.
I Like Tanks, Nova Knives and MagSec SMG's.
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tritan abbattere
DBAG CORE
60
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:58:00 -
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This is why we need capacitor in the game to help balance vehicles ......
I am the all mighty Tritan. Fear me for I am a MassHole
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WeapondigitX V7
The Exemplars
306
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:16:00 -
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I have suggested a increase in the activation delay for hardeners modules, it is currently 0.7 to 1 seconds.
I suggest increasing it to 3- 5 seconds. That would allow tanks to ambush each other when hardeners are down.
If they only let there hardeners run out while they are in the redline (retreating before hardeners run out) then that is a valid tactic that is designed by the DEVS (waves of opportunity, its just that the retreat position is chosen by the player to be further away in the redline instead of just 200m away)
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Tread Loudly 2
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
112
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:18:00 -
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WeapondigitX V7 wrote:I have suggested a increase in the activation delay for hardeners modules, it is currently 0.7 to 1 seconds.
I suggest increasing it to 3- 5 seconds. That would allow tanks to ambush each other when hardeners are down.
If they only let there hardeners run out while they are in the redline (retreating before hardeners run out) then that is a valid tactic that is designed by the DEVS (waves of opportunity, its just that the retreat position is chosen by the player to be further away in the redline instead of just 200m away)
Now I understand the redline idea... However I don't mind blowing up my tanks due to redline as long as I get the kill on that enemy tank... As that's supposedly our job in the war zone
I Like Tanks, Nova Knives and MagSec SMG's.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
1663
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Posted - 2015.03.25 07:54:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
I and 90% of this community has fast enough reflexes to turn on hardeners while i'm skill knick picking at his shields with my slow RoF missiles.
You, along with 90% of the DUST community are also all whiny bitches who continue to complain time and time again about whatever kills you.
Get over yourself
Mace yourself, blame someone else itGÇÖs okay, no one will believe you
AIV member.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1902
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:46:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
I and 90% of this community has fast enough reflexes to turn on hardeners while i'm skill knick picking at his shields with my slow RoF missiles.
You, along with 90% of the DUST community are also all whiny bitches who continue to complain time and time again about whatever kills you. Get over yourself
Agreed 100%
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
943
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:50:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:I concur with this. Tried out the fit yesterday, nothing could kill me.
actually, i can kill it with a ion cannon complex heat sink, and complex blaster damage mod.
dual hardener and reps
armor hardeners last longer and cooldown faster than shield hardeners while providing the same 40% damage reduction.
i think someone purposely imbalanced armor vs shield tankin in favor of armor tanking |
Racro 01 Arifistan
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
522
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:54:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
How to fix: Make it so what ever % hardening you get, your rep rate goes down by that %. 2 hardeners= 70-60% resistance, your armor rep rate should go down 70-60%.
my ion cannon maddy fit has been eating these fits for breakfeast/lunch/dinner eversince people started using it.
2 hardners/2 heavy reps still wont stand up to a ion cannon running complex blaster damage amp and complex heatsink.
complex heavy/light rep
complex 120mm plate
complex armour hardner
beats
2 complex heavy reps
2 .....armour hardners
iam comeing from both using/killing said maddy railtank fit.
Elite Gallenten Soldier
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
943
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:33:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
How to fix: Make it so what ever % hardening you get, your rep rate goes down by that %. 2 hardeners= 70-60% resistance, your armor rep rate should go down 70-60%. my ion cannon maddy fit has been eating these fits for breakfeast/lunch/dinner eversince people started using it. 2 hardners/2 heavy reps still wont stand up to a ion cannon running complex blaster damage amp and complex heatsink. complex heavy/light rep complex 120mm plate complex armour hardner beats 2 complex heavy reps 2 .....armour hardners iam comeing from both using/killing said maddy railtank fit.
railguns are not viable. its either blasters... or blasters.
sometimes i use missiles.... sometimes |
Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
224
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:59:00 -
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Just nerf the armor hardeners... They seriously need one.
Same resistance as shield hardener but longer duration, shorter cool down, Continuously repairing and easier to fit.
Why must they be 40/40? i have no idea.
30a/40s or 35a/40s or 35a/45s... Not this 40/40 without them being the exact same thing. It's simply *UNBALANCED*
Entering the void and becoming wind.
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Hell Destroyer
Eternal Beings
14
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Posted - 2015.03.25 12:54:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess? So yeah missiles do nothing, because they will pop both hardeners. 2 hardener 2 rep madruger is overpowered. <--- period. End of discussion. Anyone defending this **** is an idiot or an ass.
Missiles also don't get shot as fast as they used to. Making the does significantly lower and almost pointless as of current. And the reload takes a lot longer too I have herd 6 seconds to start. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
4388
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Posted - 2015.03.25 13:45:00 -
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Nope
Buff the shield to be on par with armor so you have choice and variety not more nerfs because it is too hard.
Armor already got nerfs in rep/base hp/plate hp not too mention every main AV weapon is armor damaging to begin with.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
3125
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Posted - 2015.03.25 15:34:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
How to fix: Make it so what ever % hardening you get, your rep rate goes down by that %. 2 hardeners= 70-60% resistance, your armor rep rate should go down 70-60%.
Why is the answer to always nerf a vehicle?
Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
224
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Posted - 2015.03.25 16:51:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nope
Buff the shield to be on par with armor so you have choice and variety not more nerfs because it is too hard.
Armor already got nerfs in rep/base hp/plate hp not too mention every main AV weapon is armor damaging to begin with.
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Then, what you think it should be for shielding vehicle?
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Tread Loudly 2
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2015.03.25 16:56:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:I disagree
However
Shield tanks are underpowered
Large Rails are underpowered
Large Missiles are underpowered
Leaving blaster madrugars on the top of the mountain.
As was predicted with all the nonsensical nerfs.
+1 I remember us talking about these issues, and telling everyone that tank v tank was in a good place. Except the disposition between PG/CPU between the maddie/ g logi... However too many nerfs/buffs happened. Which caused this current state...
I Like Tanks, Nova Knives and MagSec SMG's.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1965
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Posted - 2015.03.25 19:48:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
How to fix: Make it so what ever % hardening you get, your rep rate goes down by that %. 2 hardeners= 70-60% resistance, your armor rep rate should go down 70-60%. Why is the answer to always nerf a vehicle?
We're not nerfing a vehicle, we are putting armor hardeners in their place. Right now, they are OP.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1965
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Posted - 2015.03.25 19:53:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
I and 90% of this community has fast enough reflexes to turn on hardeners while i'm skill knick picking at his shields with my slow RoF missiles.
You, along with 90% of the DUST community are also all whiny bitches who continue to complain time and time again about whatever kills you. Get over yourself
Complaining is the only thing that ever get's anything done smart one. If nobody ever complained scouts would still be OP, If nobody ever complained about vehicles getting murdered by AV, vehicles would still be sh*tty. You're part of that 10% of forum users that don't even play the game. Seriously, do you ever think about what you post? The crap that comes out of your mouth is the least intelligent sh*t I have ever herd.
You're the type of person to bad mouth a kid in school because he has better grades than you. Bish please.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5583
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Posted - 2015.03.25 19:58:00 -
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Shield Boosters should be easier to fit and have a slightly higher HP recovery per minute as compared to armor repairers. Oh and actually work properly, but that's more of a tech issue than a balance issue.
Because I know people just get so twitchy when I post numbers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10NKHP2NoOFau_jULBEAGkmYGwt0z8WwZGaDqCMbZmCc/edit?usp=sharing
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
943
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:08:00 -
[41] - Quote
Nerf reps while hardener is active, then everything will be fine.
Large blaster is still the best anti-infantry weapon in the game though... But now it can thrash vehicles as well, Id say that's probably not balanced.
Madruga's not stacking hardener + reps give a nice fight... Gunnlogi can be fit with decent enough hp to beat the crap out of a lot of things, while still being a total turd to AV if you don't play stupid.
Just fix the issues, don't make more.
Buff the Gunnlogi = OP Gunnlogi... Learn to use it's mobility to your advantage, maybe do something about the Large blasters turn speed to stop it being able to track absolutely everything. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
2045
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:09:00 -
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After testing the armour tanks thus build I can say (with a reluctant heart as i hate to think any form of tanking needs nerfing) armour tanks are quite literally op as **** .
This was the fit i was running and it was nigh on destructible
Proto maddy
2 complex armour hardners , 1 complex 120 plate and 1 complex light repair .
1 enhanced scanner , 1 complex nitro and 1 basic cru
ion cannon.
I'm telling you its a hard slog to break this tank it took 2 rails and a forge to pop me in one game yesterday other than that i haven't lost another 1 yet .
The high resist high hp and constant high reps make the maddy almost unkillable .
Today I also ran across a maddy that when down past its armour it literally took no dammage from my swarms whirl it's hardners were active I think some how they were running 3 or 4 of them and tbh I was like wtf
Proud Caldari purist . Rank 10 colonel omiwarrior.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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Godin Thekiller
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
2998
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:12:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Nerf reps while hardener is active, then everything will be fine.
Large blaster is still the best anti-infantry weapon in the game though... But now it can thrash vehicles as well, Id say that's probably not balanced.
Madruga's not stacking hardener + reps give a nice fight... Gunnlogi can be fit with decent enough hp to beat the crap out of a lot of things, while still being a total turd to AV if you don't play stupid.
Just fix the issues, don't make more.
Buff the Gunnlogi = OP Gunnlogi... Learn to use it's mobility to your advantage, maybe do something about the Large blasters turn speed to stop it being able to track absolutely everything.
lolno
The only moving thing a blaster can easily kill is a heavy suit, or a vehicle (not DS's mind you)
Also, if you're combating it in CQ, you're ******* fault.
click me
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Godin Thekiller
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
2998
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:15:00 -
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tritan abbattere wrote:This is why we need capacitor in the game to help balance vehicles ......
cap won't change jack ****, it'll just make it worse.
click me
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:15:00 -
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Shamarskii Simon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nope
Buff the shield to be on par with armor so you have choice and variety not more nerfs because it is too hard.
Armor already got nerfs in rep/base hp/plate hp not too mention every main AV weapon is armor damaging to begin with.
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The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 Then, what you think it should be for shielding vehicle?
Need to reverse the current shield nerfs
Add back in PDS/rechargers
Move and lower fitting req on regulators
Lower fitting req on boosters and hardeners
Constant passive shield regen, active armor reps remove passive armor reps
Complete overhaul on the vehicle tree and bonuses
Buff rail/missiles either with OH mechanics/adding splash/increase ROF for missile etc
Buff all vehicles fitting
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Godin Thekiller
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:18:00 -
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Shamarskii Simon wrote:Just nerf the armor hardeners... They seriously need one.
Same resistance as shield hardener but longer duration, shorter cool down, Continuously repairing and easier to fit.
Why must they be 40/40? i have no idea.
30a/40s or 35a/40s or 35a/45s... Not this 40/40 without them being the exact same thing. It's simply *UNBALANCED*
This is a legit statement. I like the second one, we can see how that one goes, and if more is needed to be changed, go down another 5 %? I don't think the third option would work, because it's already hard as hell to wear down a double or tripple hardened Gunnlogi.
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:19:00 -
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Hell Destroyer wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess? So yeah missiles do nothing, because they will pop both hardeners. 2 hardener 2 rep madruger is overpowered. <--- period. End of discussion. Anyone defending this **** is an idiot or an ass. Missiles also don't get shot as fast as they used to. Making the does significantly lower and almost pointless as of current. And the reload takes a lot longer too I have herd 6 seconds to start.
Rockets/assault missiles needs a rework. It's definetly shouldn't be a gank weapon, and it being just bad is not necessary. Rails are fine though, I don't get the bitchin and moaning about it.
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:20:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
I and 90% of this community has fast enough reflexes to turn on hardeners while i'm skill knick picking at his shields with my slow RoF missiles.
You, along with 90% of the DUST community are also all whiny bitches who continue to complain time and time again about whatever kills you. Get over yourself Complaining is the only thing that ever get's anything done smart one. If nobody ever complained scouts would still be OP, If nobody ever complained about vehicles getting murdered by AV, vehicles would still be sh*tty. You're part of that 10% of forum users that don't even play the game. Seriously, do you ever think about what you post? The crap that comes out of your mouth is the least intelligent sh*t I have ever herd. You're the type of person to bad mouth a kid in school because he has better grades than you. Bish please.
This complaining makes no sense, seeing as it's is leading to silly suggestions.
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
943
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:28:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Also, if you're combating it in CQ, you're ******* fault.
I'm doing no such thing to whoever fault is O__o.
Godin Thekiller wrote:The only moving thing a blaster can easily kill is a heavy suit, or a vehicle (not DS's mind you)
Having farmed like crazy with mah scrubby large blaster tank, I'd have to say you're doing something wrong if you can't down anything with it.
dropships have gone boom, scouts die if you look at them, heavies can at least take a hit before they waddle to their death.
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:35:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Also, if you're combating it in CQ, you're ******* fault. I'm doing no such thing to whoever fault is O__o. Godin Thekiller wrote:The only moving thing a blaster can easily kill is a heavy suit, or a vehicle (not DS's mind you) Having farmed like crazy with mah scrubby large blaster tank, I'd have to say you're doing something wrong if you can't down anything with it. dropships have gone boom, scouts die if you look at them, heavies can at least take a hit before they waddle to their death.
I've been able to dodge three blasters shooting at me at once. I'm not looking at it from a pilot, I'm looking at it as infantry.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1967
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:41:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
I and 90% of this community has fast enough reflexes to turn on hardeners while i'm skill knick picking at his shields with my slow RoF missiles.
You, along with 90% of the DUST community are also all whiny bitches who continue to complain time and time again about whatever kills you. Get over yourself Complaining is the only thing that ever get's anything done smart one. If nobody ever complained scouts would still be OP, If nobody ever complained about vehicles getting murdered by AV, vehicles would still be sh*tty. You're part of that 10% of forum users that don't even play the game. Seriously, do you ever think about what you post? The crap that comes out of your mouth is the least intelligent sh*t I have ever herd. You're the type of person to bad mouth a kid in school because he has better grades than you. Bish please. This complaining makes no sense, seeing as it's is leading to silly suggestions.
It does though. Your a vehicle user I guess. You don't get it. I'm a Scout, I don't get scout QQ. You have to see the other side before complaining. I have a Madrugar with this fit, I also have infantry and other stuff. This Madrugar fit is super OP. Why? Because Armor hardeners are OP.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:58:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
I and 90% of this community has fast enough reflexes to turn on hardeners while i'm skill knick picking at his shields with my slow RoF missiles.
You, along with 90% of the DUST community are also all whiny bitches who continue to complain time and time again about whatever kills you. Get over yourself Complaining is the only thing that ever get's anything done smart one. If nobody ever complained scouts would still be OP, If nobody ever complained about vehicles getting murdered by AV, vehicles would still be sh*tty. You're part of that 10% of forum users that don't even play the game. Seriously, do you ever think about what you post? The crap that comes out of your mouth is the least intelligent sh*t I have ever herd. You're the type of person to bad mouth a kid in school because he has better grades than you. Bish please. This complaining makes no sense, seeing as it's is leading to silly suggestions. It does though. Your a vehicle user I guess. You don't get it. I'm a Scout, I don't get scout QQ. You have to see the other side before complaining. I have a Madrugar with this fit, I also have infantry and other stuff. This Madrugar fit is super OP. Why? Because Armor hardeners are OP.
You clearly didn't read my statement.
The complaining going on is warranted. The specifics of the complaining doesn't make sense. That is specifically why I said THIS complaining doesn't make sense.
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2015.03.25 21:00:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Also, if you're combating it in CQ, you're ******* fault. I'm doing no such thing to whoever fault is O__o. Godin Thekiller wrote:The only moving thing a blaster can easily kill is a heavy suit, or a vehicle (not DS's mind you) Having farmed like crazy with mah scrubby large blaster tank, I'd have to say you're doing something wrong if you can't down anything with it. dropships have gone boom, scouts die if you look at them, heavies can at least take a hit before they waddle to their death.
****, that made no sense when I reread it. Tired, I'm sorry. jet lag is a *****.
Again: If you're combating a blaster with a rail in CQ, it's your ******* fault. better?
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
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Posted - 2015.03.25 21:06:00 -
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Okay what are you guys seriously arguing over?
Semantics? Who cares. Quit being kids and just give your opinion, or debate without calling each other names.
You all look silly. That's for somewhere else.. Simply put, you have a problem. You have your argument, and counter argument. Not "you're ignorant" or "you don't know anything."
Come on guys.
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
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Posted - 2015.03.25 21:09:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nope
Buff the shield to be on par with armor so you have choice and variety not more nerfs because it is too hard.
Armor already got nerfs in rep/base hp/plate hp not too mention every main AV weapon is armor damaging to begin with.
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The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 Then, what you think it should be for shielding vehicle? Need to reverse the current shield nerfs Add back in PDS/rechargers Move and lower fitting req on regulators Lower fitting req on boosters and hardeners Constant passive shield regen, active armor reps remove passive armor reps Complete overhaul on the vehicle tree and bonuses Buff rail/missiles either with OH mechanics/adding splash/increase ROF for missile etc Buff all vehicles fitting Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
So, what do you think should come first? Regs fittings and slot locationhardener shield hardener condition?
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Shamarskii Simon
The Hundred Acre Hood
224
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Posted - 2015.03.25 21:19:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Just nerf the armor hardeners... They seriously need one.
Same resistance as shield hardener but longer duration, shorter cool down, Continuously repairing and easier to fit.
Why must they be 40/40? i have no idea.
30a/40s or 35a/40s or 35a/45s... Not this 40/40 without them being the exact same thing. It's simply *UNBALANCED*
This is a legit statement. I like the second one, we can see how that one goes, and if more is needed to be changed, go down another 5 %? I don't think the third option would work, because it's already hard as hell to wear down a double or tripple hardened Gunnlogi.
As long as you see it too! I don't believe that they should be equal in any form, as long as one has longer duration and/or shorter cool down, or any HP tank advantages that are significant with it too
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2015.03.25 21:34:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
How to fix: Make it so what ever % hardening you get, your rep rate goes down by that %. 2 hardeners= 70-60% resistance, your armor rep rate should go down 70-60%. Why is the answer to always nerf a vehicle?
Simple, they are OP. Assymetrical gameplay requires a counter for each type of play, rock-scissors-paper.In Dust it should go:
tanks>infantry>infantry AV>tanks
Currently we have:
tanks>infantry
tanks>infantry AV
tanks>ADS
tanks=tanks, where the only discussion is about which tank fit beats another tank fit. Somehow tankers convince themselves this makes sense.
Because, that's why.
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2015.03.25 21:40:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
How to fix: Make it so what ever % hardening you get, your rep rate goes down by that %. 2 hardeners= 70-60% resistance, your armor rep rate should go down 70-60%. Why is the answer to always nerf a vehicle? Simple, they are OP. Assymetrical gameplay requires a counter for each type of play, rock-scissors-paper.In Dust it should go: tanks>infantry>infantry AV>tanks Currently we have: tanks>infantry tanks>infantry AV tanks>ADS tanks=tanks, where the only discussion is about which tank fit beats another tank fit. Somehow tankers convince themselves this makes sense.
Both of those assertions are as I've seen false. Prove it.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1967
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Posted - 2015.03.25 23:27:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
How to fix: Make it so what ever % hardening you get, your rep rate goes down by that %. 2 hardeners= 70-60% resistance, your armor rep rate should go down 70-60%. Why is the answer to always nerf a vehicle? Simple, they are OP. Assymetrical gameplay requires a counter for each type of play, rock-scissors-paper.In Dust it should go: tanks>infantry>infantry AV>tanks Currently we have: tanks>infantry tanks>infantry AV tanks>ADS tanks=tanks, where the only discussion is about which tank fit beats another tank fit. Somehow tankers convince themselves this makes sense. Both of those assertions are as I've seen false. Prove it.
That tank fit stated in OP can take two clips of IAF without dying. Then I died but it seemed he wasn't going down anytime soon. Swarms are non existent. Armor tank in OP can survive swarms from 3 guys until his hardeners go down.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5586
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Posted - 2015.03.25 23:37:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:That tank fit stated in OP can take two clips of IAF without dying. Then I died but it seemed he wasn't going down anytime soon. Swarms are non existent. Armor tank in OP can survive swarms from 3 guys until his hardeners go down.
As reference.
2 Complex Reps + Max Skills + Natural Regen = 305 HP/s
1 Hardener = 40% Resistance
2 hardeners = ~61% Resistance
So....
2 Reps + 1 Hardener = 508 DPS Mitigated
2 Reps + 2 Hardeners = 785 DPS Mitigated
So while it's completely reasonable for an HAV to be able to mitigate these levels of HP....what is not reasonable is that that they're able to do it 100% of time without any or very little downtime. I believe back in the day it took 3 armor repairers to remain constant reps, which left you fairly hinderd both in remaining slots as well as resources.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1967
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Posted - 2015.03.26 00:47:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:That tank fit stated in OP can take two clips of IAF without dying. Then I died but it seemed he wasn't going down anytime soon. Swarms are non existent. Armor tank in OP can survive swarms from 3 guys until his hardeners go down. As reference. 2 Complex Reps + Max Skills + Natural Regen = 305 HP/s 1 Hardener = 40% Resistance 2 hardeners = ~61% Resistance So.... 2 Reps + 1 Hardener = 508 DPS Mitigated 2 Reps + 2 Hardeners = 785 DPS Mitigated So while it's completely reasonable for an HAV to be able to mitigate these levels of HP....what is not reasonable is that that they're able to do it 100% of time without any or very little downtime. I believe back in the day it took 3 armor repairers to remain constant reps, which left you fairly hinderd both in remaining slots as well as resources.
Not really, since we have much more fitting space and armor hardeners cost is very low- you can easily fill your high slots with damage mods, heat sinks, scanners, nitros and even small shield boosters.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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tritan abbattere
DBAG CORE
60
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Posted - 2015.03.26 01:26:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:tritan abbattere wrote:This is why we need capacitor in the game to help balance vehicles ...... cap won't change jack ****, it'll just make it worse.
How so? If we have cap it would make active tanks only last so lnog in a fight so you can't sustain it. So running active Tank with hardeners would Drain you cap so you would only last maybe 20 seconds worth of cap. But Buffer fit would give you more cap but less repair in a fight. Its a balancing factor.
You could equip a Cap recharger but it would lower the amount of tank you can have for more sustained fighting. Or a Cap battery for Hit and run stuff.
Modules would just need a 3 state system.
Off : wont use cap or do its thing
On: checks to see if it needs to repair stuff
Active: if it dose need to repair stuff activates using cap.
You could just do a Active, off state as well if you want more of a challenge for players.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5587
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Posted - 2015.03.26 03:28:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:That tank fit stated in OP can take two clips of IAF without dying. Then I died but it seemed he wasn't going down anytime soon. Swarms are non existent. Armor tank in OP can survive swarms from 3 guys until his hardeners go down. As reference. 2 Complex Reps + Max Skills + Natural Regen = 305 HP/s 1 Hardener = 40% Resistance 2 hardeners = ~61% Resistance So.... 2 Reps + 1 Hardener = 508 DPS Mitigated 2 Reps + 2 Hardeners = 785 DPS Mitigated So while it's completely reasonable for an HAV to be able to mitigate these levels of HP....what is not reasonable is that that they're able to do it 100% of time without any or very little downtime. I believe back in the day it took 3 armor repairers to remain constant reps, which left you fairly hinderd both in remaining slots as well as resources. Not really, since we have much more fitting space and armor hardeners cost is very low- you can easily fill your high slots with damage mods, heat sinks, scanners, nitros and even small shield boosters.
i'm not even sure what you're disagreeing with....
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
943
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Posted - 2015.03.26 04:04:00 -
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Well for starters, armor reps used to be active, so this sort of thing wouldn't happen. The gunnlogi can do it too though of you use triple hardeners.
Oh and before anyone forgets, Rattati wants marauders to have even higher hp than these "normal" tanks.
I'm not going to say he ****** up somewhere, but adjustment need to be made because I did a domi and say at the point almost the whole match, despite another tank shooting at me. I just ignored him while I killed his team.
However I'll also say that a counter does exist and the experienced tankers are finding it. Damage mods need to be looked at for each turret. They can get through dual hardeners but only on a blaster. Missiles take too long to reload to kill a tank solo, and rail guns shouldn't be used at all since they overheat too quickly. Proxi explosives are a godsend as well. They are the perfect ambush and can kill tanks that aren't hardened or give a huge advantage during a fight by leading the tank into the trap.
Gunners are crucial in tank vs tank battles.
I can do most of this stuff solo, including killing dual hardened tanks. You just need to think more and people don't want to. I lost a lot of tanks the week echo dropped but now things have settled it's not as bad.
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
559
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Posted - 2015.03.26 05:01:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:That tank fit stated in OP can take two clips of IAF without dying. Then I died but it seemed he wasn't going down anytime soon. Swarms are non existent. Armor tank in OP can survive swarms from 3 guys until his hardeners go down. As reference. 2 Complex Reps + Max Skills + Natural Regen = 305 HP/s 1 Hardener = 40% Resistance 2 hardeners = ~61% Resistance So.... 2 Reps + 1 Hardener = 508 DPS Mitigated 2 Reps + 2 Hardeners = 785 DPS Mitigated So while it's completely reasonable for an HAV to be able to mitigate these levels of HP....what is not reasonable is that that they're able to do it 100% of time without any or very little downtime. I believe back in the day it took 3 armor repairers to remain constant reps, which left you fairly hinderd both in remaining slots as well as resources. Not really, since we have much more fitting space and armor hardeners cost is very low- you can easily fill your high slots with damage mods, heat sinks, scanners, nitros and even small shield boosters. i'm not even sure what you're disagreeing with....
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Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
559
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Posted - 2015.03.26 05:04:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Double hardened Armor tanks with two armor reps are unkillable in a tank v tank fight.
How to win a tank fight: Madrugar- 2 hardeners, 2 heavy reps, particle Cannon, Dmg mod, heat sink.
How to fix: Make it so what ever % hardening you get, your rep rate goes down by that %. 2 hardeners= 70-60% resistance, your armor rep rate should go down 70-60%. Why is the answer to always nerf a vehicle? Simple, they are OP. Assymetrical gameplay requires a counter for each type of play, rock-scissors-paper.In Dust it should go: tanks>infantry>infantry AV>tanks Currently we have: tanks>infantry tanks>infantry AV tanks>ADS tanks=tanks, where the only discussion is about which tank fit beats another tank fit. Somehow tankers convince themselves this makes sense.
tanks = tanks is somewhat misleading, since the reality is:
madruger > other tanks
and then a final equation which states that madrugers cant kill each other. because even large tank turrets cant take out a madruger. |
Vesta Opalus
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
559
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Posted - 2015.03.26 05:05:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess? So yeah missiles do nothing, because they will pop both hardeners. 2 hardener 2 rep madruger is overpowered. <--- period. End of discussion. Anyone defending this **** is an idiot or an ass. During normal usage the tank won't have both hardeners to use at the same time. If they do then that just means they have a long period of downtime. Armor tanks are balanced. Just make shields just as useful.
So which category do you fall into?
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
943
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Posted - 2015.03.26 06:03:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess? So yeah missiles do nothing, because they will pop both hardeners. 2 hardener 2 rep madruger is overpowered. <--- period. End of discussion. Anyone defending this **** is an idiot or an ass. During normal usage the tank won't have both hardeners to use at the same time. If they do then that just means they have a long period of downtime. Armor tanks are balanced. Just make shields just as useful. So which category do you fall into? Idiot or ass?
Neither. You're just not experienced enough. The counter to a dual hardener, dual rep maddy has been given already in this thread. If you can not kill a tank with that counter then there is no room for you in this discussion. Go try it. If you die, try it again. If you still can't do it, then the problem lies with you.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
4402
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Posted - 2015.03.26 10:12:00 -
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Shamarskii Simon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Shamarskii Simon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Nope
Buff the shield to be on par with armor so you have choice and variety not more nerfs because it is too hard.
Armor already got nerfs in rep/base hp/plate hp not too mention every main AV weapon is armor damaging to begin with.
Disclaimer:
The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 Then, what you think it should be for shielding vehicle? Need to reverse the current shield nerfs Add back in PDS/rechargers Move and lower fitting req on regulators Lower fitting req on boosters and hardeners Constant passive shield regen, active armor reps remove passive armor reps Complete overhaul on the vehicle tree and bonuses Buff rail/missiles either with OH mechanics/adding splash/increase ROF for missile etc Buff all vehicles fitting Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 So, what do you think should come first? Regs fittings and slot location or hardener shield hardener condition?
Both.
Disclaimer:
The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7721
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Posted - 2015.03.26 11:58:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The answer is still missiles.
You WILL kill them unless they blow their entire load and pop both of their hardeners. Good for them I guess? So yeah missiles do nothing, because they will pop both hardeners. 2 hardener 2 rep madruger is overpowered. <--- period. End of discussion. Anyone defending this **** is an idiot or an ass. During normal usage the tank won't have both hardeners to use at the same time. If they do then that just means they have a long period of downtime. Armor tanks are balanced. Just make shields just as useful. So which category do you fall into? Idiot or ass? Neither. You're just not experienced enough. The counter to a dual hardener, dual rep maddy has been given already in this thread. If you can not kill a tank with that counter then there is no room for you in this discussion. Go try it. If you die, try it again. If you still can't do it, then the problem lies with you. Use damage mods and heat sinks with a blaster
The problem with the given counter is that you have to use a blaster to counter a blaster madrugar.
If the other primary turret options cannot do the job they need another look.
Ideally my preference for solving this imbalance actually requires the restoration of the shield fitting nerfs to previous. Then making shield boosters not suck more than almost anything in existence.
The railgun needs a heat check. Period. There is a minimum threshold required to kill a madrugar assuming a perfect storm of events. If a gunnlogi cannot begin firing at long range and kill a madrugar before it charges straight into it's optimal and kills the gunnlogi first it means rails and missiles require tweaks to adjust.
If the madrugar begins the engagement inside it's optimal then probably killing the gunnlogi is working as intended.
Missiles need something that isn't the old blaster-optimal-shotgun.
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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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This bafoon doesn't realize that a blaster turret cannot kill them.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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