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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.20 19:58:00 -
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Don't even bother hoping Dust 514 will last longer than 5-years. In an effort to show CCP how much we wanted this franchise to survive we apparently shot ourselves in the foot. We stabilized the player-base with 2,400 or so active players at any given time (meaning we're no longer hemmoraging players apparently) and not only that... We made it a profitable endeavor for CCP.
Which, both hilariously and ironically, may have sealed the fate of Project Legion as being in Development Hell as they're now back to focusing on Dust 514.
So - paraphrasing here (and of course just speculation) - we basically showed them that we were so loyal and dedicated to this franchise that they're now no-longer working on any long-term survivability and are just focusing on keeping Dust 514 as their cash cow, keeping our interests by fixing it. We are at this point, for lack of a better word, just job security. At least, that's the only conclusion I can personally bring up at this point since they apparently have nothing else to say on the matter.
We've a shelf life now. An expiration date.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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STYLIE77
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
479
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:04:00 -
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We are beta testing for Legion imo...
http://caughtyouflinching.ytmnd.com/
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
520
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:12:00 -
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Dude don't lie. You still have hope and that's what they are banking on. Cause honestly to many, this game died a long time ago.
Saying what's on people's minds
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:13:00 -
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STYLIE77 wrote:We are beta testing for Legion imo...
Its pretty freaggin clear that Legion ain't happenin' bro. They're just too terrified to lose their revenue stream to admit it.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
Warpoint Sharx
307
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:15:00 -
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It is really hard to say what will happen at this point.
If they just port Dust to PC I am likely to not waste my hard drive space. If they port to PS4 I am doubtful I will buy a new system for it.
What seems to be a 100% given is that the dream of a MMOFPS set in New Eden and integrated with the sand box has been given up. The idea of Dust that we all bought into so long ago is dead. We were teased with the possibility of this dream staying alive in Legion but that is now dead as well. |
Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:16:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Dude don't lie. You still have hope and that's what they are banking on. Cause honestly to many, this game died a long time ago.
Nah, I'm done. For real this time. I might still play but I'm definitely not investing any more money so they can try to wrap their heads around what they want to do. No sense in wasting my time and effort into it if it's going no where. Fun benefit of being terrified of commitment is that you can't honestly expect anyone else to commit to it either and that being said, why should I commit any more time and effort to a company that doesn't know what they want?
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Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
696
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:16:00 -
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I consider myself a patron of the electronic arts (not Electronic Arts).
I really didn't want to use outdated PS3 hardware when it was released, but I figured it would be ported over to the PS4 when it was released (the PS4). Now the PS4 is outdated, and I might accidentally send Sony* the wrong message because we're the 50% they can't get rid of, and I'll buy a PS4 if that's what it takes to support CCP.
*Sony should be providing annual hardware upgrades. Slots for new memory modules, video cards, etc. They have been conditioned to think customers are willing to use the same outdated hardware year after year, because we keep buying spec-locked consoles with no option to upgrade.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Avallo Kantor
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:19:00 -
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I'll give a quick parallel here: PoS revamp.
EVE players have been complaining about it for years. All that time being told "It's legacy code" and "we are working on it"
That's it. No updates as to what they did, no little insights to the new system. Nothing.
Come this year at Fanfest, they show off dozens of new goodies, a completely redesigned system, and come Saturday will be unveiling the finer details of their whole plan.
Before they were ready they gave EVE players NOTHING to hope for in regards to that feature coming around. Just words of "we're working on it but we won't show you anything"
Second Example: New SoV system.
Again same thing, just words that they were "working on it" and "it will be done when we are happy with it" but other than that no changes until they were ready to release phase one. Then again, nothing news wise on that front. Then again, bam, one dev blog later they open the flood gates on their system when they are confident in it.
TLDR:
CCP of today doesn't tell you crap unless they are ready with the product. Until they you might get confirmation that they are working on it, but they seem committed to no empty promises. However that commitment means they also won't share any features they are working on unless they are actually ready for release in the coming weeks / months. |
Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
188
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:21:00 -
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Dust in itself will continue to lose players( I don't why some people saying its stabilizing when it was about 3,000 a few months ago). Mostly because eventually some players will move on to other games; it seems to me Legion is canceled( pretty much) and CCP is doing what they been doing for dust until not many people are left. |
Funkmaster Whale
Whale Pod
2933
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:26:00 -
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The salt is real in this thread.
I think you guys need to all relax and stop putting all your eggs in one basket.
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Summa Militum
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
305
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:32:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Don't even bother hoping Dust 514 will last longer than 5-years. In an effort to show CCP how much we wanted this franchise to survive we apparently shot ourselves in the foot. We stabilized the player-base with 2,400 or so active players at any given time (meaning we're no longer hemmoraging players apparently) and not only that... We made it a profitable endeavor for CCP. Which, both hilariously and ironically, may have sealed the fate of Project Legion as being in Development Hell as they're now back to focusing on Dust 514. So - paraphrasing here (and of course just speculation) - we basically showed them that we were so loyal and dedicated to this franchise that they're now no-longer working on any long-term survivability and are just focusing on keeping Dust 514 as their cash cow, keeping our interests by fixing it. We are at this point, for lack of a better word, just job security. At least, that's the only conclusion I can personally bring up at this point since they apparently have nothing else to say on the matter. We've a shelf life now. An expiration date.
If we are their job security wouldn't CCP want to push for the long-term survivability of this game? If they end this game they are losing the opportunity to have myself and others pay their rent or mortgage. |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
520
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:33:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:Dude don't lie. You still have hope and that's what they are banking on. Cause honestly to many, this game died a long time ago. Nah, I'm done. For real this time. I might still play but I'm definitely not investing any more money so they can try to wrap their heads around what they want to do. No sense in wasting my time and effort into it if it's going no where. Fun benefit of being terrified of commitment is that you can't honestly expect anyone else to commit to it either and that being said, why should I commit any more time and effort to a company that doesn't know what they want?
Yea dude. Doesn't that suck? There's no solid direction. I can't tell which way things are going.
First it was Legion, being the vision of Dust at the optimum level
Now its shelved and Dust is the focus because the consumers are paying. Its ridiculous and is it a stretch to say, a bit of a slap to the face?
Saying what's on people's minds
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
520
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:35:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Don't even bother hoping Dust 514 will last longer than 5-years. In an effort to show CCP how much we wanted this franchise to survive we apparently shot ourselves in the foot. We stabilized the player-base with 2,400 or so active players at any given time (meaning we're no longer hemmoraging players apparently) and not only that... We made it a profitable endeavor for CCP. Which, both hilariously and ironically, may have sealed the fate of Project Legion as being in Development Hell as they're now back to focusing on Dust 514. So - paraphrasing here (and of course just speculation) - we basically showed them that we were so loyal and dedicated to this franchise that they're now no-longer working on any long-term survivability and are just focusing on keeping Dust 514 as their cash cow, keeping our interests by fixing it. We are at this point, for lack of a better word, just job security. At least, that's the only conclusion I can personally bring up at this point since they apparently have nothing else to say on the matter. We've a shelf life now. An expiration date. If we are their job security wouldn't CCP want to push for the long-term survivability of this game? If they end this game they are losing the opportunity to have myself and others pay their rent or mortgage.
OMG dude are you zombie bro? You are perfectly fine with spending your cash on this game? This is why the devs won't change. The player base is full of the gullible
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:35:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:I'll give a quick parallel here: PoS revamp.
EVE players have been complaining about it for years. All that time being told "It's legacy code" and "we are working on it"
That's it. No updates as to what they did, no little insights to the new system. Nothing.
Come this year at Fanfest, they show off dozens of new goodies, a completely redesigned system, and come Saturday will be unveiling the finer details of their whole plan.
Before they were ready they gave EVE players NOTHING to hope for in regards to that feature coming around. Just words of "we're working on it but we won't show you anything"
Second Example: New SoV system.
Again same thing, just words that they were "working on it" and "it will be done when we are happy with it" but other than that no changes until they were ready to release phase one. Then again, nothing news wise on that front. Then again, bam, one dev blog later they open the flood gates on their system when they are confident in it.
TLDR:
CCP of today doesn't tell you crap unless they are ready with the product. Until they you might get confirmation that they are working on it, but they seem committed to no empty promises. However that commitment means they also won't share any features they are working on unless they are actually ready for release in the coming weeks / months.
Key difference: PC isn't outdated hardware, yo. There is no "PC4" to replace it.
CCP is trying to save a freaggin dinosaur on a console that was made a decade ago. Let that sink in for a moment...
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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Avallo Kantor
534
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:38:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Summa Militum wrote:If we are their job security wouldn't CCP want to push for the long-term survivability of this game? If they end this game they are losing the opportunity to have myself and others pay their rent or mortgage. OMG dude are you zombie bro? You are perfectly fine with spending your cash on this game? This is why the devs won't change. The player base is full of the gullible
Shocking, people spend money for things they like?
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
1798
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:38:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:The salt is real in this thread.
I think you guys need to all relax and stop putting all your eggs in one basket.
We have more than one basket???
Time for a platform jump. Dust to WiiU!
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
520
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:44:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:Summa Militum wrote:If we are their job security wouldn't CCP want to push for the long-term survivability of this game? If they end this game they are losing the opportunity to have myself and others pay their rent or mortgage. OMG dude are you zombie bro? You are perfectly fine with spending your cash on this game? This is why the devs won't change. The player base is full of the gullible Shocking, people spend money for things they like?
Lol dude, do you even understand the contextual theme of this thread?
Saying what's on people's minds
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5518
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:44:00 -
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Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2715
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:52:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Don't even bother hoping Dust 514 will last longer than 5-years. In an effort to show CCP how much we wanted this franchise to survive we apparently shot ourselves in the foot. We stabilized the player-base with 2,400 or so active players at any given time (meaning we're no longer hemmoraging players apparently) and not only that... We made it a profitable endeavor for CCP. Which, both hilariously and ironically, may have sealed the fate of Project Legion as being in Development Hell as they're now back to focusing on Dust 514. So - paraphrasing here (and of course just speculation) - we basically showed them that we were so loyal and dedicated to this franchise that they're now no-longer working on any long-term survivability and are just focusing on keeping Dust 514 as their cash cow, keeping our interests by fixing it. We are at this point, for lack of a better word, just job security. At least, that's the only conclusion I can personally bring up at this point since they apparently have nothing else to say on the matter. We've a shelf life now. An expiration date.
Legion will come, because Dust won't live forever. And if it's profitable CCP won't kill the game. And due to Legion being the same game anyways... yeah. Wait a year or two, then they'll talk about Legion.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
527
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:58:00 -
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Well, EVE has pretty much been their cash cow hold out for the last five or so years. Same stale player base of Mittani kissas*es sitting in the safety of their null sec empire stalemating the whole game with their brand of "emergent gameplay".
Death is a serious businessGǪ So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
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AndyAndio
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
169
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:01:00 -
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- Stop being salty
- Leave Dust forums
- Find another game
- Have fun
- ???
- Profit
2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year.-
Retired for Love of the Game
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9285
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:02:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
Oh, cool, so now Pokey is playing the Blind Faith card.
Please don't come at me with this "if it's not fun don't play" BS, Pokey, seriously. Some of us are in it for a little bit more than the casual experience, hate to break your heart. Some of us actually played this game for the longevity, the character progression, and the genuine sense of ownership and belonging in this fictional world that was created. I'm sorry if that slaughters your little isolated view of how games have to be played and I genuinely do apologize if you only play video games for a fifteen minute thrill but for the love of christ don't come in here acting like you're god's gift to gaming with why people should or should not play video games.
Seriously. My level of respect for you dropped like, a dozen levels just now.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
520
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:04:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
A product or person has never grown surrounded by yes men.
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
702
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:06:00 -
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Maybe change forums?
Here what Eve players says aobut us...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=403236&find=unread
Just go out the box...
Not much time left...
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
1798
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:15:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
Oh, cool, so now Pokey is playing the Blind Faith card. Please don't come at me with this "if it's not fun don't play" BS, Pokey, seriously. Some of us are in it for a little bit more than the casual experience, hate to break your heart. Some of us actually played this game for the longevity, the character progression, and the genuine sense of ownership and belonging in this fictional world that was created. I'm sorry if that slaughters your little isolated view of how games have to be played and I genuinely do apologize if you only play video games for a fifteen minute thrill but for the love of christ don't come in here acting like you're god's gift to gaming with why people should or should not play video games. Seriously. My level of respect for you dropped like, a dozen levels just now.
Aeon, I've never seen you lose your cool in such a pedantic way, and imply a different persons personal feelings without even a hint of evidence at them.
Youve officially gone into bamm havoc insanity land.
May i suggest you log iut the forums, go get sihtcan hammered, and have a copious amount of sex, then return with a better state of mind.
And if not, then its time for you to leave the community as you plan on cutting back your gameplay regardless at this point.
Time for a platform jump. Dust to WiiU!
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
488
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:17:00 -
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 No offense meant to the author of that website article you linked (or to ANY website journalist/critic who thinks they can properly assess/ conclude/ forecast a gameplay innovation that's never been tried before)GǪ butGǪ
It's naysaying.
This game is an EVE-based idea. EVE-based games have always (always?GǪ there's only been ONE, Celesta! ) been a cult-following, not a grand stellar game that becomes a giant in the market for years to come.
EVE-Online is a quirky game that has built a committed band of followers internationallyGǪ. but is just a humble-size gaming group compared to what companies consider "applauded success".
It's followers and repeat addicts make it last so many years. Not it's actual numbers (50% hardcore capsuleers + 50% constantly leaving new players, from what Capsuleers experinced through the years).
Dust was (still is) a very weird-principled game idea that had to be "sold" to its console manufacturer Sony, and has to be regularly re-sold to them each time CCP wants to add a new mechanic or gameplay content. With that kind of "3rd-party arranger" you have to keep requesting assistance and data from, it's no wonder the Dust idea feels demoralized and ready to retreat to PC one year, then turns around and re-convinces the creators another year, etc, etc.
Unless the authors of these articles, (and we the PS3 players who swallow the articles) are EVE-Online Capsuleers, none of us can say whether EVE went through this IDENTICAL evolution during its first 5 years. (I've recently heard that our player base is about 50% hardcore Dusters + 50% new players who are constantly leaving/replaced----sounds familiar to...).
Don't give too much thumbs up to any writer's fight-doctor reports on Dust. I know they mean well ( ), but literally, LITERALLY, a game like this has never been tried before.
Lots of writers implied this game was too danged weird and too non-traditional to ever last 8 months.
I had PS3 Dusters telling me "Celesta, you do realize we will never have trading or PC with EVE in this game---you do realize that, right? And, the player base is losing numbers by 1000 every month since they mentioned Legion, right Celesta? And by January 2015, we're all going to be playing this game on PC, cuz scrap-salvage, asset-resale are too far beyond a PS3's capability, you do know that, right Celesta?"
 GǪ.if you insist, sure.
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
No story can have life without writers and publishers.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2759
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:19:00 -
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Legion on PC: Bound to fail due to stiff competition and lack of serious server security. Star Citizen just won't leave enough room for it, even if its FPS parts end up being 10% as good as they look.
Dust on PS3: Days are numbered. PS3 is old. They just can't do what they want here.
Valkyrie: Bound to flop due to stiff competition. There is no way it will compete with Star Citizen and Elite: Dangerous. It being VR just isn't enough to make it worth playing over the alternatives... Especially when VR consoles are still in their infancy.
EVE: Not going anywhere. It is too solidly in its own niche with its own very strong fan base.
Dust/Legion on PS4: In a HUGE market where the only competition would be Planetside 2 and Blacklight Retribution (and maybe Warframe a little), a good F2P game with the complexity and style of the New Eden Universe has a good chance at being successful. Not only that, but CCP could finally make the game that they originally wanted.
Home at Last <3
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9285
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:27:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:
Aeon, I've never seen you lose your cool in such a pedantic way, and imply a different persons personal feelings without even a hint of evidence at them.
Youve officially gone into bamm havoc insanity land.
May i suggest you log iut the forums, go get sihtcan hammered, and have a copious amount of sex, then return with a better state of mind.
And if not, then its time for you to leave the community as you plan on cutting back your gameplay regardless at this point.
My sincerest apologies if this seems melodramatic - my bad for caring about the time, effort, and money that I invested into this little experiment and being concerned as to what all of it was worth. Allow me to sarcastically ask for your forgiveness for needing slightly more reassurance than "eh, maybe" toward something that has been about three years (that's 1/8th or about 12%) of my life. Even longer on Eve Online (started in 2006).
Do you think you can take a moment out of your time to acknowledge that a man is basically begging for your forgiveness that he was being melodramatic over something that's had a significant impact on their actual life and actually inspired some life decisions (going to school for game design)? Do you think you can do that or is that too melodramatic for you as well? Does that infringe on your concept of masculinity and what is or is not acceptable for a person to be concerned about what is, at this point, basically a lifestyle?
Or are is that pedantic as well? Am I not allowed to be frustrated over something that is entirely out of my control over something that I genuinely love simply because it's a video game and that's -too weird- for you..?
Yeah, I implied a person's personal feelings. Generally what happens when that person basically devalues what is cause of concern for another player. You can't just up and walk in, tell someone the political correct equivalent of "quit being a baby" and then expect them not to get a little twinged. But yanno, feel free to keep that up, I'm sure I'll make a big turn around any minute now and legitimately apologize.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1328
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:44:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
| Soldner VonKuechle wrote:
Aeon, I've never seen you lose your cool in such a pedantic way, and imply a different persons personal feelings without even a hint of evidence at them.
Youve officially gone into bamm havoc insanity land.
May i suggest you log iut the forums, go get sihtcan hammered, and have a copious amount of sex, then return with a better state of mind.
And if not, then its time for you to leave the community as you plan on cutting back your gameplay regardless at this point.
My sincerest apologies if this seems melodramatic - my bad for caring about the time, effort, and money that I invested into this little experiment and being concerned as to what all of it was worth. Allow me to sarcastically ask for your forgiveness for needing slightly more reassurance than "eh, maybe" toward something that has been about three years (that's 1/8th or about 12%) of my life. Even longer on Eve Online (started in 2006). Do you think you can take a moment out of your time to acknowledge that a man is basically begging for your forgiveness that he was being melodramatic over something that's had a significant impact on their actual life and actually inspired some life decisions (going to school for game design)? Do you think you can do that or is that too melodramatic for you as well? Does that infringe on your concept of masculinity and what is or is not acceptable for a person to be concerned about what is, at this point, basically a lifestyle? Or are is that pedantic as well? Am I not allowed to be frustrated over something that is entirely out of my control over something that I genuinely love simply because it's a video game and that's -too weird- for you..? Yeah, I implied a person's personal feelings. Generally what happens when that person basically devalues what is cause of concern for another player. You can't just up and walk in, tell someone the political correct equivalent of "quit being a baby" and then expect them not to get a little twinged. But yanno, feel free to keep that up, I'm sure I'll make a big turn around any minute now and legitimately apologize. EDIT: And please, -PLEASE- say something about how I need to re-evaluate my life for putting such a high priority on a video game. That'll -definitely- make me turn around and suddenly go all rational and apologetic/sympathetic toward what you're trying to say.
Not trying to slight how you feel, or what you think, as I know that all things impact us all differently. What I will say as you seem to be a bit younger than I am is...put full stock into things in your life but always with the knowledge that they will end. Attachment is a control issue, and eventually you just have to let things go. Everything will end, and knowing that is what allows you to really enjoy things.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Reign Omega wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
| Soldner VonKuechle wrote:
Aeon, I've never seen you lose your cool in such a pedantic way, and imply a different persons personal feelings without even a hint of evidence at them.
Youve officially gone into bamm havoc insanity land.
May i suggest you log iut the forums, go get sihtcan hammered, and have a copious amount of sex, then return with a better state of mind.
And if not, then its time for you to leave the community as you plan on cutting back your gameplay regardless at this point.
My sincerest apologies if this seems melodramatic - my bad for caring about the time, effort, and money that I invested into this little experiment and being concerned as to what all of it was worth. Allow me to sarcastically ask for your forgiveness for needing slightly more reassurance than "eh, maybe" toward something that has been about three years (that's 1/8th or about 12%) of my life. Even longer on Eve Online (started in 2006). Do you think you can take a moment out of your time to acknowledge that a man is basically begging for your forgiveness that he was being melodramatic over something that's had a significant impact on their actual life and actually inspired some life decisions (going to school for game design)? Do you think you can do that or is that too melodramatic for you as well? Does that infringe on your concept of masculinity and what is or is not acceptable for a person to be concerned about what is, at this point, basically a lifestyle? Or are is that pedantic as well? Am I not allowed to be frustrated over something that is entirely out of my control over something that I genuinely love simply because it's a video game and that's -too weird- for you..? Yeah, I implied a person's personal feelings. Generally what happens when that person basically devalues what is cause of concern for another player. You can't just up and walk in, tell someone the political correct equivalent of "quit being a baby" and then expect them not to get a little twinged. But yanno, feel free to keep that up, I'm sure I'll make a big turn around any minute now and legitimately apologize. EDIT: And please, -PLEASE- say something about how I need to re-evaluate my life for putting such a high priority on a video game. That'll -definitely- make me turn around and suddenly go all rational and apologetic/sympathetic toward what you're trying to say. Not trying to slight how you feel, or what you think, as I know that all things impact us all differently. What I will say as you seem to be a bit younger than I am is...put full stock into things in your life but always with the knowledge that they will end. Attachment is a control issue, and eventually you just have to let things go. Everything will end, and knowing that is what allows you to really enjoy things.
Only legitimate logic I've heard all day, even if it is bittersweet. Thanks for that.
Just really can't stand whenever someone comes barging in and starts taking stock on how much someone else should care about something.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
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Some one is salty...........
That momment when CCP Frame makes a horrible joke ( -í° -£-û -í°)
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Soldner VonKuechle
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Cute kid, real fuccking cute.
We re all here because we care and are dedicated.
we ll all stay here cause this is the game and community we actually enjoy.
Be an instigator or a peace maker.
And before you further sperg about in regards to 'business' and try to assault my own 'knowledge' of it, I hold over lapping leadership ranks in the US largest dairy cooperative. I can read a market and its futures before you can say "falling out"
Time for a platform jump. Dust to WiiU!
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Booby Tuesdays
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I love how salty everyone gets around FanFest. 
Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
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Krixus Flux wrote:Avallo Kantor wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:Summa Militum wrote:If we are their job security wouldn't CCP want to push for the long-term survivability of this game? If they end this game they are losing the opportunity to have myself and others pay their rent or mortgage. OMG dude are you zombie bro? You are perfectly fine with spending your cash on this game? This is why the devs won't change. The player base is full of the gullible Shocking, people spend money for things they like? Lol dude, do you even understand the contextual theme of this thread?
It is about dead sea levels of salt.
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Summa Militum wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Don't even bother hoping Dust 514 will last longer than 5-years. In an effort to show CCP how much we wanted this franchise to survive we apparently shot ourselves in the foot. We stabilized the player-base with 2,400 or so active players at any given time (meaning we're no longer hemmoraging players apparently) and not only that... We made it a profitable endeavor for CCP. Which, both hilariously and ironically, may have sealed the fate of Project Legion as being in Development Hell as they're now back to focusing on Dust 514. So - paraphrasing here (and of course just speculation) - we basically showed them that we were so loyal and dedicated to this franchise that they're now no-longer working on any long-term survivability and are just focusing on keeping Dust 514 as their cash cow, keeping our interests by fixing it. We are at this point, for lack of a better word, just job security. At least, that's the only conclusion I can personally bring up at this point since they apparently have nothing else to say on the matter. We've a shelf life now. An expiration date. If we are their job security wouldn't CCP want to push for the long-term survivability of this game? If they end this game they are losing the opportunity to have myself and others pay their rent or mortgage.
For players who did EvE as well as how CCP doesn't always allocate its resources properly *cough*WorldOfDarkness*cough* doesn't make it impossible for CCP to shoot itself in the foot.
It's not far from conceivable, let alone CCP has done this, where they undertake a project and then skin it to the barebone and then add a little life support is something that CCP has done before with projects. The thing with project legion is a lot of the "non~coded part" is something they already have a roadmap to; Legion is essentially Dust at the core.
Even with that, if they feel they cannot sustain Legion and Dust, Dust would be sacrificed as in letting it be active until the game/server dies. I'm still not convinced that Legion will fair any better than Dust; problems of transferring over data players earned in Dust over to Legion is still going to create uproar and make it a barrier for new players to join in as effectively.
CCP is always a bizarre company that could really benefit from examples of other game developers that faced nearly the same crisis. For whatever reason, they feel like they enjoy playing with fire and their whole public announcement would've been more palpable if they simply said "hey we're still investing in Dust blahblah" instead of going into how it'll eventually die off isn't the most motivational piece to give fans. |
George Moros
DUST FINEST
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I'm afraid I have to agree with the OP.
Although I may be wrong entirely, but from all the info that leaked during fanfest, it seems that a good portion of CCP Shanghai is working on things other than Legion/DUST, Legion is being put on ice and management clearly has no idea what to do with it, and DUST is being run by a skeleton crew, probably just to keep the semblance of a game that's still active and developing, in order to stop further playerbase leakage and at least cover the expenses of running it.
On the other hand, CCP has obviously put their hope on Valkyrie as their new successful title. A game that requires a VR set to play - piece of equipment that has yet to become a popular addition to a PC gamer's arsenal. Unless CCP believes Valkyrie will be so good that people will actually buy a VR set just in order to play it, this is a very risky bet indeed. And as to CCP's capacity to create such a game, well, history speaks for itself, and it's not telling a bright story.
Apart from EVE's undeniable success, every other major project CCP started, flopped badly. World of Darkness, EVE's "Walking in Stations", DUST, Legion... all of those are, from a commercial standpoint, failures. Some partial, some complete, but overall - failures.
IMHO, the main problem is CCP's top brass management, which clearly has no vision as to what they want, apart from insisting on being "different" and somehow "special". What they should be striving is to first and foremost - get good. Then go and be different all you want. CCP's vision of creating games "more meaningful than real life", and their self-proclaimed "war on the impossible", starts to look ridiculous when they're struggling to achieve things that other game developers find quite possible to achieve. What does CCP really got besides EVE? A half-baked lobby shooter on a dying console. More meaningful than real life? You have got to be kidding me.
And please, don't get me wrong. I actually like this half-baked lobby shooter. It's got some good qualities - there's no denying that. But I was sold this dream about "one universe / one war" that got me hooked on this game, and I'm clearly not the only one. And this dream is far from ever becoming a reality.
If Valkyrie flops in a similar fashion, what happens then? Will CCP's top brass heads finally start to roll, and (maybe) somebody new starts changing things, or will CCP quietly admit their role as a "one hit wonder" of gaming industry, and simply content to develop EVE for as long as they can, until it too finally fades away?
I apologize for this rant, but I had to take it off my chest. :)
Pulvereus ergo queritor.
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
Oh, cool, so now Pokey is playing the Blind Faith card.
Please don't come at me with this "if it's not fun don't play" BS, Pokey, seriously. Some of us are in it for a little bit more than the casual experience, hate to break your heart. Some of us actually played this game for the longevity, the character progression, and the genuine sense of ownership and belonging in this fictional world that was created. I'm sorry if that slaughters your little isolated view of how games have to be played and I genuinely do apologize if you only play video games for a fifteen minute thrill but for the love of christ don't come in here acting like you're god's gift to gaming with why people should or should not play video games.
Seriously. My level of respect for you dropped like, a dozen levels just now.
Oh, cool, so now Aeon is playing the Blind Pessimism card.
Like seriously you take Hilmar saying "We're focusing on Dust and we want to give the players the best experience possible" as "Haha screw you guys, we're gonna stop trying to improve the game and milk you as long as possible". I mean what are you saying? That we're just going to cease adding new features now because the game is in the black? Toss out the roadmap because they're making money? Give me a break.
I actually play the game because I enjoy the gameplay, not because I hate it and I'm waiting for it to get better. Do I want it to get better? Of course, not sure how much time you spend in Feedback but I like to think I'm actually quite active in many facets of balance and design for the game, because I wan't to help it get better, because I do actually like the game and want it to do well. If that makes me a casual, then I guess I'm a pretty filthy casual.
And your respect for me dropped a dozen levels because I don't agree with your knee-jerk pessimism? Oh noes! 
Don't worry though, I've come to expect such behavior from you so my level of respect for you is completely unchanged from where it was after you flipped out post CPM-1 Elections.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
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Weird, I read that article and thought for the first time that they seemed to be coming to their senses and at least consider a PS4 port a possibility. |
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Weird, I read that article and thought for the first time that they seemed to be coming to their senses and at least consider a PS4 port a possibility.
Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
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A lot of us vets are in denial. But I've been saying this for a while now. There have been no real improvement to the game. Just gimmicks to get us to spend our money. I hate the feel this way. I hope there is another agenda beside taking our money
I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
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Pokey Dravon wrote:
Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way.
There's a "catch-22" in your reasoning. DUST won't become profitable if CCP doesn't invest in further development. Although some people here on forums claim that DUST is actually making profit for CCP, it is highly unlikely that the profit (if any at all) is significant enough to fund any further serious development of DUST. CCP's only serious source of revenue is (and has always been) EVE Online. If they cancelled DUST today, and let go of all the people currently involved with it, I doubt they would see any financial hit whatsoever.
Pulvereus ergo queritor.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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If I woke up tomorrow and the servers were off for good, I can say with great sincerity that I would just log back in to Battlefield 1943 and lope on. This game gives nothing, not once scintilla more than that game does, often less. Occasional fun with great wads of pointless frustration.
About time to re-open the pool, anyway.
KDR matchmaking fixes everything but the stupid purple Quafe stuff.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way. Making as much money as possible while keeping costs low is Business 101. If Hilmar doesn't have to port Dust 514 to PC because it's turning a tidy profit on a dead console then why would he? No incentive there.
When the money dries up on PS3 he will be incentivized to head to greener pastures: PC or PS4.
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Aeon Amadi
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Oh, cool, so now Pokey is playing the Blind Faith card.
Please don't come at me with this "if it's not fun don't play" BS, Pokey, seriously. Some of us are in it for a little bit more than the casual experience, hate to break your heart. Some of us actually played this game for the longevity, the character progression, and the genuine sense of ownership and belonging in this fictional world that was created. I'm sorry if that slaughters your little isolated view of how games have to be played and I genuinely do apologize if you only play video games for a fifteen minute thrill but for the love of christ don't come in here acting like you're god's gift to gaming with why people should or should not play video games.
Seriously. My level of respect for you dropped like, a dozen levels just now.
Oh, cool, so now Aeon is playing the Blind Pessimism card. Like seriously you take Hilmar saying "We're focusing on Dust and we want to give the players the best experience possible" as "Haha screw you guys, we're gonna stop trying to improve the game and milk you as long as possible". I mean what are you saying? That we're just going to cease adding new features now because the game is in the black? Toss out the roadmap because they're making money? Give me a break. You already knew that Dust was on a bare bones support, likely less than 5 dedicated people working on the game. Do you HONESTLY think that's going to get WORSE because the game is making money? I actually play the game because I enjoy the gameplay, not because I hate it and I'm waiting for it to get better. Do I want it to get better? Of course, not sure how much time you spend in Feedback but I like to think I'm actually quite active in many facets of balance and design for the game, because I wan't to help it get better, because I do actually like the game and want it to do well. If that makes me a casual, then I guess I'm a pretty filthy casual. And your respect for me dropped a dozen levels because I don't agree with your knee-jerk pessimism? Oh noes! Don't worry though, I've come to expect such behavior from you so my level of respect for you is completely unchanged from where it was after you flipped out post CPM-1 Elections.
Thanks for being honest with me? I mean, really a shame it took you almost an entire year to come out and just say that instead of holding a poker face and - I dunno - talking on Skype, sharing thoughts and ideas, being general bros up until - oh noes, Aeon said something, better GO FOR THE JUGGULAR AND HIT HIM WITH SO MUCH AD HOMINE-
I dunno what to tell you bro. I tried to explain my case as calmly as I could with that last post despite my frustration, tried to explain the reasonings why I'm frustrated here, and you pretty much just turned all that around to make a paragraph long case for why you like the game and are "active in many facets" for... I dunno, self validation? I really don't care, either way. It doesn't really matter.
Its not Knee-Jerk Pessimism, bro. This has been building up for a long time and if you acknowledge that I was frustrated after the CPM1 Elections (not because of the CPM1 Elections, despite all the tin-foil that people seem to have) then clearly you acknowledge that it's not knee-jerk because of the fact that your respect for me hasn't changed since then. So which is it? Actually, you know what, don't answer that - I really don't care to know the answer because it doesn't really matter. It's just petty BS being thrown back and forth.
Think it's best that we just agree to disagree: I don't like the state of things, you're chill with it. Let's calmly go our separate ways.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
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Thor Odinson42
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Ripley Riley wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way. Making as much money as possible while keeping costs low is Business 101. If Hilmar doesn't have to port Dust 514 to PC because it's turning a tidy profit on a dead console then why would he? No incentive there. When the money dries up on PS3 he will be incentivized to head to greener pastures: PC or PS4.
There are some companies that do things like this. Radio Shack, Blockbuster Video, Blackberry, etc. Successful companies parlay profits into growth opportunities. |
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Growth opportunities: Nemesis, Valkyrie, and Eve Online.
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Thumb Green
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Aeon Amadi wrote:keeping our interests by fixing it.
If they're fixing it then there's hope.
Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster!
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
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George Moros wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way.
There's a "catch-22" in your reasoning. DUST won't become profitable if CCP doesn't invest in further development. Although some people here on forums claim that DUST is actually making profit for CCP, it is highly unlikely that the profit (if any at all) is significant enough to fund any further serious development of DUST. CCP's only serious source of revenue is (and has always been) EVE Online. If they cancelled DUST today, and let go of all the people currently involved with it, I doubt they would see any financial hit whatsoever.
For the record is not the forums claiming that the game is making money it's the company CEO.
I'm here, right now with the Dust Devs and Shangahi team, on the pub crawl and I'm taking the time out, while ever so slightly drunk, to tell you right now that I'm getting nothing but positivity and good vibes concerning Dust 514.
You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden.
CPM 1 member
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Kevall Longstride wrote:George Moros wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way.
There's a "catch-22" in your reasoning. DUST won't become profitable if CCP doesn't invest in further development. Although some people here on forums claim that DUST is actually making profit for CCP, it is highly unlikely that the profit (if any at all) is significant enough to fund any further serious development of DUST. CCP's only serious source of revenue is (and has always been) EVE Online. If they cancelled DUST today, and let go of all the people currently involved with it, I doubt they would see any financial hit whatsoever. For the record is not the forums claiming that the game is making money it's the company CEO. I'm here, right now with the Dust Devs and Shangahi team, on the pub crawl and I'm taking the time out, while ever so slightly drunk, to tell you right now that I'm getting nothing but positivity and good vibes concerning Dust 514. You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden.
Tell them I said Hi and **** Legion, then yell Dust 514 and slam a shot.
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Kevall Longstride wrote:You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden. Kevall, I'm happy that you are optimistic about the future of an FPS in New Eden, but you aren't the least bit concerned about the aging PS3 hosting this game for years to come? That doesn't worry you just a little bit?
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Ripley Riley wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden. Kevall, I'm happy that you are optimistic about the future of an FPS in New Eden, but you aren't the least bit concerned about the aging PS3 hosting this game for years to come? That doesn't worry you just a little bit?
Remember, he has access to info (like company wide strategic plans) that we don't.
We're making money, internal metrics are 'good' and there's community driven plans.
If!
And mean big IIIIFFFFF they keep going in a relatively forward direction, then there's reason to possibly 'think' (not hope) they'll platform jump in 15 months (give or take a quarter)
Lotta if though.
Time for a platform jump. Dust to WiiU!
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
Oh, cool, so now Pokey is playing the Blind Faith card. Please don't come at me with this "if it's not fun don't play" BS, Pokey, seriously. Some of us are in it for a little bit more than the casual experience, hate to break your heart. Some of us actually played this game for the longevity, the character progression, and the genuine sense of ownership and belonging in this fictional world that was created. I'm sorry if that slaughters your little isolated view of how games have to be played and I genuinely do apologize if you only play video games for a fifteen minute thrill but for the love of christ don't come in here acting like you're god's gift to gaming with why people should or should not play video games. Seriously. My level of respect for you dropped like, a dozen levels just now.
I played this game for the longevity. Still do. Thousands of players were hurt by the legion announcement and now the devoted few will get butthurt by plans to continue developing dust based on it finally becoming profitable?
I thought hilmars statement would be a breath of fresh air to those uncertain about the games future. I thought that by announcing to the players that dust was finally profitable the playerbase would see that the long-term game we were promised has a chance to still exist.
In a moment of naive elation I actually believed that by announcing that dust isn't dead and isn't going to die anytime soon, that players would finally be happy about something.
And then I see this.
And finally I realize that the playerbase dust has will always be full of hate. That everything CCP ever does will always be the wrong thing. I understand why rouge ddoesn't speak. Anybody at CCP who talks to the playerbase is either a fool or a scapegoat. I am thankful that rattati offers himself up as that fool. I am sad that he does so knowing that when the game falls to this pessimistic drivel, he will likely be out of a job.
Aeon, this thread is depressing and will only serve to harm a game you profess to care about.
What is your endgame here? Unless it is to undermine the success of a game that after years is finally profiting, what is your goal in inciting a riotous feeling among a playerbase that has just been told we have a future? A playerbase that has just been told eve is no longer CCPs only moneymaker? A playerbase that should be rejoicing in the knowledge that we aren't about to get dropped like a bad habit at a moments notice for costing CCP too much money?
Why are you trying to keep people from realizing that due to its success, dust may see an improved quality of development in the days to come?
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:30:00 -
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If Legion is on the back burner than we are basically due for termination soon as the PS3 servers shut down.
I'm guessing we better put down our guns and get ready for the cockpit.
WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLCCCCCCCCCCOMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DANGEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ZONNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I guess being a space jet fighter isn't a bad consolidation prize for our mercenary careers coming to an abrupt end.
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles.
2708
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:35:00 -
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They can reskin as much guns they want, till they at least try to get some pre alpha stick models working on the ps4 network our beloved game will become a distant memory. The few players will move on and their will be only a handful of us bugging ccp in 2017 about reintroducing the mmofps aspect of new eden. Right now is our best chance to get them to even attempt. Once this game is gone, it is going to be a kickstarter miracle to get it back.
This game is the breath of fire of shooters. Don't take it for granted.
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Greiv Rabbah
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
270
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:40:00 -
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I like how post #6 there apparently doesn't know that dust has had kb/m support for a long while
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
11181
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:46:00 -
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That's not the impression I got when I heard the news of Dust being stabilized and profitable.
First off, CEO Hilmar nows all too well by his own admission that the PS3 only has about 2-3 years of life left in it since now the PS4 has saturated the console market with well over 20 million PS4s and counting while the PS3 is already slowly shutting down in places. Just look at PlayStation Home which closed permanently at the end of this month.
Second, since Dust is now officially their new source of revenue along with Eve Online, I theorize that they will likely do their best to get it ready for either a PS4 port or a PC port. I don't care which platform it gets ported to as long as CCP starts in motion a plan to keep Dust going in a better platform now that the PS3 is drawing to a close.
Third, I honestly stopped caring about Legion a long ass time ago. So I won't miss Legion if it gets shut down. After all, Dust is making money for CCP, not Legion.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
438
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Posted - 2015.03.21 01:05:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Don't even bother hoping Dust 514 will last longer than 5-years. In an effort to show CCP how much we wanted this franchise to survive we apparently shot ourselves in the foot. We stabilized the player-base with 2,400 or so active players at any given time (meaning we're no longer hemmoraging players apparently) and not only that... We made it a profitable endeavor for CCP. Which, both hilariously and ironically, may have sealed the fate of Project Legion as being in Development Hell as they're now back to focusing on Dust 514. So - paraphrasing here (and of course just speculation) - we basically showed them that we were so loyal and dedicated to this franchise that they're now no-longer working on any long-term survivability and are just focusing on keeping Dust 514 as their cash cow, keeping our interests by fixing it. We are at this point, for lack of a better word, just job security. At least, that's the only conclusion I can personally bring up at this point since they apparently have nothing else to say on the matter. We've a shelf life now. An expiration date. Legion will come, because Dust won't live forever. And if it's profitable CCP won't kill the game. And due to Legion being the same game anyways... yeah. Wait a year or two, then they'll talk about Legion.
And then you'll wait another year after that waiting for the one answer you will never get from CCP. Then they'll keep stringing you along like they have been. The only reason why this game doesn't succeed or happens the way it should is because of players like yourself. I have been here from the start, and undeniably from a business standpoint this is in fact a steady paycheck for the DEV's, while you the consumer get less than minimum "expansions" that are not even worth mentioning. Those said individuals have more than enough money to get the job done, but have squandered resources on "classified" projects like Legion that has only been mentioned once in terms of progression for our future... That was over a year ago. You are the hustle that keeps the Aurum Lords happy. Your a business man's wet dream. Hope you enjoy what your money has been going towards. I think it's called VR or something like that. Next year it'll be like a Zombie game venture. Who know's?
|LOGi GOD|
Director of Fatal Absolution
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5534
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Aeon, listen. I know you care about the game deeply, and that's good. The problem I have with this is that CCP makes a few comments and you seem to take it in the absolute worst way possible. It's this "HOLY ******* **** WE'RE ALL GETTING SCREWED OVER!" arm flailing mentality that spooks the company into not saying anything at all, because even "Oh yeah we're profitable now" somehow sends you into a rant about how it's the end of days for Dust.
Should they talk more? Absolutely. But I feel like you often approach this sort of thing with an emotionally driven mindset, which leads to rather over the top and often bombastic threads like this one, when there is very little concrete evidence to support what you're either implying or saying outright. Again I understand that you're very emotionally engaged in the whole situation, and am I overly optimistic? Probably. But these sort of outbursts and trying to rile up the community in a Chicken Little-like fashion is not going to help anyone.
I guess what I'm saying is....is you really need to take a chill pill. If you have legitimate concerns, even if they're wrapped in a bit of tinfoil, it's fine to state them in a clear an objective manner. But this sort of emotionally driven conjecture often presented as fact serves to do nothing but freak people out, often unduly, because of the assumptions being made. The fact remains that we don't have all of the information about what's going on within the company or what their intentions are. We can make assumptions and piece together tidbits of information, but ultimately they're potentially incorrect interpretations.
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Am i completely satisfied with the way things are? No, of course not, I would love to have more development. But I also understand that there are limitations, money being a big part of it. Many people, yourself included, want leaps and bounds of progress being made, but truthfully from what I know about business, CCP and namely its shareholders are scared shitless, and they're not going to take any more chances since apparently up to this point, Dust has been in the red.
Rattati has obviously done a lot to change that, and obviously has been successful. A company, it is far easier to make the call to invest additional resources into a project if the project is actively making money. The move from being in the red to being in the black was the first small step but the end effect is likely far larger. The fact remains that the game and development team was completely FUBAR'd and just now are things starting to look half organized enough to start moving forward with expanding things out. It's going to be slow at first and I know people are very frustrated, but things ARE improving, even if you don't personally agree with everything that's happening.
The point I was making is that you basically sound completely dissatisfied with the game in it's current state, and my point was that if that's how you feel, then you'll likely never be completely satisfied. The game itself is enjoyable to me, that's why I put so much effort into it because I want to make it better. Hell I don't know if you listen to our Podcast but we've been talking about this **** ever week for 45 weeks, because we want to make the game better. But I feel like a lot of people just don't like the game but are hanging on for it to become something it's just not. Maybe I misinterpreted your initial intent, but it feels like you land closer to the latter category. If not, than I apologize.
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I know you care man, and I don't mean to **** in your cheerios. But you really just need to take a deep breath and relax.
Also I think it's great that you're following your dreams to get into video game design. I know you've been doing some UI stuff and whatnot. And being unemployed sucks, I was without work for over a year and a half after graduating college. I do hope you find something soon, just try not to let the stress of it get to you.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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Greiv Rabbah
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
270
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Posted - 2015.03.21 01:23:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Weird, I read that article and thought for the first time that they seemed to be coming to their senses and at least consider a PS4 port a possibility.
If you read the legion threads, CCP Rouge was pretty clear about future consoles being a possibility. In fact, CCP never thought that the ps3 would last forever, but due to eve now having 2 profitable games, they have more reason to put more work into ensuring the future of dust remains stable.
Aeon, if you've been in new eden since 06, why do you not see the outcome that is inevitable?
Eve was a failure for some time before it evolved into as successful a game as it now is. Eve had beginnings as rocky as dust has had and grew into an amazing ride.
I understand your concern, but as old a vet as you are in new eden, please do the right thing here and reassure players that its moving in the right direction instead of sowing seeds of doubt and despair.
People know you've been around for a long time, and if you care as much for the world of EVE as I know you do, you should be a role model to those who dont have past experience to remind them that things are moving in a direction of dust becoming a flourishing and long-lasting addition to the Eve series.
The future success of Dust 514 and its ability to grow into the game we were all sold a dream of is, well... STRONGLY dependent on whether people have confidence to continue paying into it.
By association, that makes the words and tone conveyed by those of us who have been a part of new eden for so long more meaningful.
I don't believe you want dust to die. So help it grow. Give people faith.
I hope you will settle down and come to your senses on this one. Preferably sooner rather than later
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3000
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Posted - 2015.03.21 01:45:00 -
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:I like how post #6 there apparently doesn't know that dust has had kb/m support for a long while
"The whole reason DUST pretty much died is that it was supposed to be ported over the PS4, but that was when Sony wasn't going to charge a monthly access fee. The contract CCP had with Sony reflected that.
Then Sony decided to have PS4 users pay a monthly fee, and the contract went **** up."
Well, that's the story according to capsuleers, isn't it? there's no monthly fee for free to play games ffs.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Greiv Rabbah
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
272
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:38:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden. Kevall, I'm happy that you are optimistic about the future of an FPS in New Eden, but you aren't the least bit concerned about the aging PS3 hosting this game for years to come? That doesn't worry you just a little bit?
Kevall is over there drinking with and chatting up the dev team and getting good response regarding the future of dust and you can't stop being salty for 5 seconds and consider what that may imply? oh boy. Here lemme borrow some of that tinfoil and make you a dress to go with your hat.
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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Greiv Rabbah
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
272
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:54:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:I like how post #6 there apparently doesn't know that dust has had kb/m support for a long while "The whole reason DUST pretty much died is that it was supposed to be ported over the PS4, but that was when Sony wasn't going to charge a monthly access fee. The contract CCP had with Sony reflected that. Then Sony decided to have PS4 users pay a monthly fee, and the contract went **** up." Well, that's the story according to capsuleers, isn't it? there's no monthly fee for free to play games ffs.
Lol. They don't know we pay for this game too.
But I meant this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5596309#post5596309
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1332
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:56:00 -
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:I like how post #6 there apparently doesn't know that dust has had kb/m support for a long while "The whole reason DUST pretty much died is that it was supposed to be ported over the PS4, but that was when Sony wasn't going to charge a monthly access fee. The contract CCP had with Sony reflected that. Then Sony decided to have PS4 users pay a monthly fee, and the contract went **** up." Well, that's the story according to capsuleers, isn't it? there's no monthly fee for free to play games ffs. Lol. They don't know we pay for this game too. But I meant this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5596309#post5596309
There isn't a monthly fee for f2p games, but there is a monthly fee for psn now. You can't access the multiplayer portions of games unless you have ps+
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
2300
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Posted - 2015.03.21 03:02:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
Pokey Dravon for CPM2 
I legitimately have zero idea how the CEO of CCP Games saying "I like the way Dust is now, it's profitable, and I am optimistic about its future :)" could possibly be construed as "DUST IS A DEAD GAME THE END IS NIGH"
Like he says, there is no way Dust can continue to last on the PS3. Eventually, it will have to migrate. It will continue to expand and evolve. The CEO himself says so. This. Can. Only. Be. A. Good. Thing. Stop whining.
I mean geez, with all the doomsday rhetoric you would think some of these bastards would just quit already. But no, despite their constant complaints about CCP and Dust and everything they stand for, they continue to devour every comment or bit of news they can get their hands on. It's bizarre.
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
8649
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Posted - 2015.03.21 03:11:00 -
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:Kevall is over there drinking with and chatting up the dev team and getting good response regarding the future of dust and you can't stop being salty for 5 seconds and consider what that may imply? oh boy. Here lemme borrow some of that tinfoil and make you a dress to go with your hat. It was a sincere question. No tinfoil-hattery.
Kevall's pubcrawl Dust 514 forecast should be taken at face value: CPM1 is satisfied with Dust 514 remaining on the PS3. So is CCP. They interpret that as a "win".
I dare to disagree. A win would be Dust 514 on PS4 or Eve: Legion on PC.
4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
11183
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Posted - 2015.03.21 03:20:00 -
[66] - Quote
Reign Omega wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:I like how post #6 there apparently doesn't know that dust has had kb/m support for a long while "The whole reason DUST pretty much died is that it was supposed to be ported over the PS4, but that was when Sony wasn't going to charge a monthly access fee. The contract CCP had with Sony reflected that. Then Sony decided to have PS4 users pay a monthly fee, and the contract went **** up." Well, that's the story according to capsuleers, isn't it? there's no monthly fee for free to play games ffs. Lol. They don't know we pay for this game too. But I meant this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5596309#post5596309 There isn't a monthly fee for f2p games, but there is a monthly fee for psn now. You can't access the multiplayer portions of games unless you have ps+
Last I heard, that doesn't apply to free-to-play games.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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ZDub 303
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
3393
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Posted - 2015.03.21 04:02:00 -
[67] - Quote
This is why I play PS2. I refuse to continue supporting this game as long as it's on the PS3. If you want this off the PS3 then stop playing. Make legion a more appealing alternative for them and they just might actually make it. |
Paran Tadec
The Last of DusT.
2176
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Posted - 2015.03.21 05:43:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:
*Sony should be providing annual hardware upgrades. Slots for new memory modules, video cards, etc. They have been conditioned to think customers are willing to use the same outdated hardware year after year, because we keep buying spec-locked consoles with no option to upgrade.
Its called PeeCee
Bittervet Proficiency V
thanks logibro!
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Paran Tadec
The Last of DusT.
2176
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Posted - 2015.03.21 05:54:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:
I like how post #6 there apparently doesn't know that dust has had kb/m support for a long while
"The whole reason DUST pretty much died is that it was supposed to be ported over the PS4, but that was when Sony wasn't going to charge a monthly access fee. The contract CCP had with Sony reflected that.
Then Sony decided to have PS4 users pay a monthly fee, and the contract went **** up."
Well, that's the story according to capsuleers, isn't it? there's no monthly fee for free to play games ffs.[/quote]
More reason to just do the damn thing on PC. Release it on Steam. Profit.
Bittervet Proficiency V
thanks logibro!
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SOGZ PANDA
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2015.03.21 05:58:00 -
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People who are defending this game need to think for a second about this post. He is not saying he doesn't enjoy playing the game, he is stating that we need to stop accepting mediocrity with this game and giving money to devs that are not giving us back a vision. Sure they don't have to do ****, but if they want the revenue stream (the hardcore dusties), then they need to step up create a vision for a future of this genre. Not just hotfix this, (insert feature) here.
Vote with your wallets.
"Why should we make a story about you?"
"Cause I'm so f*ing good!"
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7th Son 7
BLITZKRIEG7
585
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Posted - 2015.03.21 06:01:00 -
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HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE...................H..........O...........P..........E
Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
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nelo kazuma
Da Short Buss Driving School
51
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Posted - 2015.03.21 08:30:00 -
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In all honesty they screwed themselves over with that premature announcment so many players quit on the game because of it and the rest who stayed a lil longer were proto stomped into leaving. Now there forced to devolop this game like they shouldve they even stated that they werent O.o. For new players this game is really difficult which makes it hard for newer players to stick around they need better start offs for new players which i hope they get right with a meta mode or a basic adv proto only mode. and from there work on advertising while adjusting gameplay theyre doing great with new updates but can wait. balancing can be done as they go but priorty should always be new game experience otherwise newbies will not bother. |
George Moros
DUST FINEST
431
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Kevall Longstride wrote:For the record is not the forums claiming that the game is making money it's the company CEO. I'm here, right now with the Dust Devs and Shangahi team, on the pub crawl and I'm taking the time out, while ever so slightly drunk, to tell you right now that I'm getting nothing but positivity and good vibes concerning Dust 514. You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden.
To be perfectly honest, I don't trust one tiny bit whatever Hilmar says about DUST. In my opinion, he's the most responsible person in CCP for all the failures that happened in the last couple of years. As for the other devs, I don't doubt that they really want for DUST to succeed, and are doing their best to accomplish it. However, without real, concrete support from the management, I think their efforts are doomed.
Anyway, send my best regards to all the devs involved with DUST.
P.S. despite all my negativity towards CCP, I too consider myself a DUST fanboy (and EVE for that matter). I wouldn't be wasting my time here on forums if it wasn't so.
Pulvereus ergo queritor.
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
2519
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Posted - 2015.03.21 09:14:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:Kevall is over there drinking with and chatting up the dev team and getting good response regarding the future of dust and you can't stop being salty for 5 seconds and consider what that may imply? oh boy. Here lemme borrow some of that tinfoil and make you a dress to go with your hat. It was a sincere question. No tinfoil-hattery. Kevall's pubcrawl Dust 514 forecast should be taken at face value: CPM1 is satisfied with Dust 514 remaining on the PS3. So is CCP. They interpret that as a "win". I dare to disagree. A win would be Dust 514 on PS4 or Eve: Legion on PC.
At what point have I said I'm satisfied about it staying on PS3? Please point to me where I've said that?
I'm satisfied that the game is in a good place, in every metric that counts. And I'm satisfied that because of that it puts it in a good place to take a format jump. But there is a limited amount of resources that CCP has and every game they make or project they're working on has to prove themselves worthy of getting a bigger slice of that pie. Dust is a strong enough position now to fight its corner.
CPM 1 member
CEO of DUST University
Vist dustcpm.com
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
1027
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Posted - 2015.03.21 09:22:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:
"The whole reason DUST pretty much died is that it was supposed to be ported over the PS4, but that was when Sony wasn't going to charge a monthly access fee. The contract CCP had with Sony reflected that.
Then Sony decided to have PS4 users pay a monthly fee, and the contract went **** up."
Well, that's the story according to capsuleers, isn't it? there's no monthly fee for free to play games ffs.
More reason to just do the damn thing on PC. Release it on Steam. Profit. wow the disinformation is mesmerizing.
For free to play games such as war frame, load out, black light retribution on the ps4 you DO NOT have to pay any cent to play them online. I have no PS plus and i can play them online just fine.
framerate>everything else
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Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
666
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Posted - 2015.03.21 09:33:00 -
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SOGZ PANDA wrote:People who are defending this game need to think for a second about this post. He is not saying he doesn't enjoy playing the game, he is stating that we need to stop accepting mediocrity with this game and giving money to devs that are not giving us back a vision. Sure they don't have to do ****, but if they want the revenue stream (the hardcore dusties), then they need to step up create a vision for a future of this genre. Not just hotfix this, (insert feature) here.
Vote with your wallets.
Yeah...lets withdraw all our money and force them into the red again. Hell, let's quit playing while we're at it, so they really see the numbers plummet like a stone.
That will really show them our hardcore dedication to the future of New Eden FPS.
As contrary as this may sound, the surest way to get some form of continuation on PC and/or PS4 is to help grow the player base on the PS3. If CCP sees that there is a stable market which turns a profit, they will be more likely to want to continue on the next platform...
Personally I take the news from Fanfest as good news.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
5953
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Posted - 2015.03.21 10:01:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:As contrary as this may sound, the surest way to get some form of continuation on PC and/or PS4 is to help grow the player base on the PS3. If CCP sees that there is a stable market which turns a profit, they will be more likely to want to continue on the next platform...
Absolutely. This game has survived a lot. We're still here. The game is making CCP money, and the game is getting better and better. <- That is a recipe for success DUST has not been able to brag about before. Everyone's continued support of this game is what will give us that power to get what we want.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1338
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Posted - 2015.03.21 10:38:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:
"The whole reason DUST pretty much died is that it was supposed to be ported over the PS4, but that was when Sony wasn't going to charge a monthly access fee. The contract CCP had with Sony reflected that.
Then Sony decided to have PS4 users pay a monthly fee, and the contract went **** up."
Well, that's the story according to capsuleers, isn't it? there's no monthly fee for free to play games ffs.
More reason to just do the damn thing on PC. Release it on Steam. Profit. wow the disinformation is mesmerizing. For free to play games such as war frame, load out, black light retribution on the ps4 you DO NOT have to pay any cent to play them online. I have no PS plus and i can play them online just fine.
Thanks for clearing that up, I have all the f2p games on ps4 but have never not had plus, I got a year free when I bought the system....
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Greiv Rabbah
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
277
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Posted - 2015.03.21 10:48:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:Kevall is over there drinking with and chatting up the dev team and getting good response regarding the future of dust and you can't stop being salty for 5 seconds and consider what that may imply? oh boy. Here lemme borrow some of that tinfoil and make you a dress to go with your hat. It was a sincere question. No tinfoil-hattery. Kevall's pubcrawl Dust 514 forecast should be taken at face value: CPM1 is satisfied with Dust 514 remaining on the PS3. So is CCP. They interpret that as a "win". I dare to disagree. A win would be Dust 514 on PS4 or Eve: Legion on PC.
ok. no tinfoil hattery, and from there conspiracy theories start pouring out.
if hilmar says development will continue on the ps3 and dust is profitable and ps3 is not where it will end...
and rouge says that new eden deserves a pc fps and that pc exclusivity is not a given and console ports will not be ruled out...
and hilmar says theyre still exploring their options for the future iteration of dust to ensure we dont get left behind...
how is that them locking dust into a dead platform?
how is that even making the claim that theyre satisfied with dust being on the ps3 forever or that that would be a win?
even if your hat wasnt showing in that last post...
youve had some serious tinfoil and salt issues lately.
dust is more successful than ever.
dust has a secured future.
theres a strong focus on improving the eve<->dust link going on,
given your tantrum about dust not being gritty and new eden-y enough (like rainbow lasers. thats gritty) shouldnt you pop in and chime in? just leave the blue juice rants at home and try to keep things on topic bc a lot of good can come from that thread if it doesnt spiral out of control
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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Greiv Rabbah
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
278
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:02:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:SOGZ PANDA wrote:People who are defending this game need to think for a second about this post. He is not saying he doesn't enjoy playing the game, he is stating that we need to stop accepting mediocrity with this game and giving money to devs that are not giving us back a vision. Sure they don't have to do ****, but if they want the revenue stream (the hardcore dusties), then they need to step up create a vision for a future of this genre. Not just hotfix this, (insert feature) here.
Vote with your wallets. Yeah...lets withdraw all our money and force them into the red again. Hell, let's quit playing while we're at it, so they really see the numbers plummet like a stone. That will really show them our hardcore dedication to the future of New Eden FPS. As contrary as this may sound, the surest way to get some form of continuation on PC and/or PS4 is to help grow the player base on the PS3. If CCP sees that there is a stable market which turns a profit, they will be more likely to want to continue on the next platform... Personally I take the news from Fanfest as good news. But hey, we are all different
no, Regis, we're not all *that* different, and its great that you're being polite but...
what you said is really the only logical viewpoint and everyone who cant see that needs to step back, think about it logically, and come backwith their head on straight
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback.
4851
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:07:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:Yeah...lets withdraw all our money and force them into the red again. Hell, let's quit playing while we're at it, so they really see the numbers plummet like a stone. That will really show them our hardcore dedication to the future of New Eden FPS. As contrary as this may sound, the surest way to get some form of continuation on PC and/or PS4 is to help grow the player base on the PS3. If CCP sees that there is a stable market which turns a profit, they will be more likely to want to continue on the next platform... Personally I take the news from Fanfest as good news. But hey, we are all different
This is some of the dumbest logic I've ever heard. If Dust becomes unprofitable that's it, game over.
The community's effort needs to be focused on Dust 514 as it exists, growing this community, and looking to get the game beyond PS3 through profitability here and now.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
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Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
669
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:19:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Regis Blackbird wrote:Yeah...lets withdraw all our money and force them into the red again. Hell, let's quit playing while we're at it, so they really see the numbers plummet like a stone. That will really show them our hardcore dedication to the future of New Eden FPS. As contrary as this may sound, the surest way to get some form of continuation on PC and/or PS4 is to help grow the player base on the PS3. If CCP sees that there is a stable market which turns a profit, they will be more likely to want to continue on the next platform... Personally I take the news from Fanfest as good news. But hey, we are all different This is some of the dumbest logic I've ever heard. If Dust becomes unprofitable that's it, game over. The community's effort needs to be focused on Dust 514 as it exists, growing this community, and looking to get the game beyond PS3 through profitability here and now.
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback.
4851
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:21:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Regis Blackbird wrote:Yeah...lets withdraw all our money and force them into the red again. Hell, let's quit playing while we're at it, so they really see the numbers plummet like a stone. That will really show them our hardcore dedication to the future of New Eden FPS. As contrary as this may sound, the surest way to get some form of continuation on PC and/or PS4 is to help grow the player base on the PS3. If CCP sees that there is a stable market which turns a profit, they will be more likely to want to continue on the next platform... Personally I take the news from Fanfest as good news. But hey, we are all different This is some of the dumbest logic I've ever heard. If Dust becomes unprofitable that's it, game over. The community's effort needs to be focused on Dust 514 as it exists, growing this community, and looking to get the game beyond PS3 through profitability here and now. Ohh, the sarcasm sens-o-meter is not working properly, I see
Dangit all that's what I get for culling the first quote......
Seriously Aeon though? C'mon man.
Nemisis is one of those cooky 20% time projects. Granted that still feels like a waste of even a dev's free time.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5447
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:31:00 -
[84] - Quote
Regis Blackbird wrote:Ohh, the sarcasm sens-o-meter is not working properly, I see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSy5mEcmgwU
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2572
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Posted - 2015.03.21 12:21:00 -
[85] - Quote
I agree that it sucks to learn that Shanghai is spending time/resources on other, speculative projects than Legion when they are already investing so little in Dust, especially given CCP's track record of not finishing projects. But....
If CCP/Hilmar have a core vision, it is as a company that creates/designs/realizes virtual universes. I'd have to expect them to explore VR pretty damn hard when the technology became available and that is exactly what we're seeing here.
20% projects seem like a reasonable way to sample the space of design possibilities offered by VR and build a foundation of experience in the company. It would be very interesting to know how much the Shanghai group leaned on what had been learned by the Valkyrie team, for example.
I see reference to a CCP VR 'skunkworks' and i'm not sure what that means: is it just the 20% projects or is there a more formal R&D program underway? Whatever the case may be, i'd expect CCP to go after this hard, go after this early and to throw lots of kittenpoop at the wall to see what sticks. It's in their nature and it's the way they work.
It's hard to speculate on what such research will yield or whether the resources are wisely spent but in this case i'm cutting CCP some slack because if they were made for anything, it is this: pioneering virtual worlds.
All i would say is that they won't find any better or more immersive virtual worlds than what they have already with New Eden, and that in preparation for realizing the virtualization of New Eden the wisest course of action re: Dust would be to refine and polish the experience until the quality of DUST matches the quality EVE. There are still a lot of low-hanging fruit in Dust regarding poor mechanics/incomplete systems/underdeveloped social tools/lackluster immersion. The platform has it's limitations, true, but it's not a valid excuse for any of these issues and everybody knows it.
Dust has demonstrated profitability at some expense to the New Eden IP, imo. It's time for CCP to invest in Dust and free up the Dust devteam to focus on what's wrong because a quality Dust experience is the single most plausible and profitable way to grow the New Eden universe and prepare the ground for VR.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Lavallois Nash
Federal Transfers and Trades
537
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Posted - 2015.03.21 14:31:00 -
[86] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Don't even bother hoping Dust 514 will last longer than 5-years. In an effort to show CCP how much we wanted this franchise to survive we apparently shot ourselves in the foot. We stabilized the player-base with 2,400 or so active players at any given time (meaning we're no longer hemmoraging players apparently) and not only that... We made it a profitable endeavor for CCP. Which, both hilariously and ironically, may have sealed the fate of Project Legion as being in Development Hell as they're now back to focusing on Dust 514. So - paraphrasing here (and of course just speculation) - we basically showed them that we were so loyal and dedicated to this franchise that they're now no-longer working on any long-term survivability and are just focusing on keeping Dust 514 as their cash cow, keeping our interests by fixing it. We are at this point, for lack of a better word, just job security. At least, that's the only conclusion I can personally bring up at this point since they apparently have nothing else to say on the matter. We've a shelf life now. An expiration date.
And this is CCPs fault? Bad FPS games (old COD titles, ect) still can average 10,000 a day, more on weekends. 2,400 active players at any given time is nothing, especially for a PS3 free to play.
I just find it ironic that your stance is "despite all the effort the community has done". LOL what contributions from the community? Stomping away new players 24/7? Dwindling away the player base? Ruining all their hard work for a little kdr and self esteem boost?
For the longest time, the vet and tryhard position in this community has been "OMG these are my friends, we have the right to have fun by making people quit the game. Dont stop us from spending time together or stomping new players"
Now suddenly its CCP that is ruining the communities efforts? Give me a break.
I used to play PC FPS games that had a large vet population. Often, the vets would band together and go hunt down people who were farming noobs. They would turn them into pariahs, and make their ingame existence difficult. Thats a community that cares about its game. This community cares about itself. Bottom line.
So why should CCP be considerate in the face of such a incredibly selfish community? |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
4371
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Posted - 2015.03.21 14:42:00 -
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Really it doesn't matter anymore for me.
Nearing the 100mil SP mark, vehicles are still in a poor place, infantry is run of the mill and im rich enough.
I have got MGSV and MGO3 to look forward to, Planetside 2 for the big battles and a few different titles such as Warthunder/Warframe etc.
This game is on borrowed time, maybe if it jumps to another platform it can survive and be where it ought to be but right now it is limping on a dying platform.
Disclaimer:
The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Nos Nothi
4467
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Posted - 2015.03.21 15:10:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
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Aeon, I've never seen you lose your cool in such a pedantic way, and imply a different persons personal feelings without even a hint of evidence at them.
Youve officially gone into bamm havoc insanity land.
May i suggest you log iut the forums, go get sihtcan hammered, and have a copious amount of sex, then return with a better state of mind.
And if not, then its time for you to leave the community as you plan on cutting back your gameplay regardless at this point.
My sincerest apologies if this seems melodramatic - my bad for caring about the time, effort, and money that I invested into this little experiment and being concerned as to what all of it was worth. Allow me to sarcastically ask for your forgiveness for needing slightly more reassurance than "eh, maybe" toward something that has been about three years (that's 1/8th or about 12%) of my life. Even longer on Eve Online (started in 2006). Do you think you can take a moment out of your time to acknowledge that a man is basically begging for your forgiveness that he was being melodramatic over something that's had a significant impact on their actual life and actually inspired some life decisions (going to school for game design)? Do you think you can do that or is that too melodramatic for you as well? Does that infringe on your concept of masculinity and what is or is not acceptable for a person to be concerned about what is, at this point, basically a lifestyle? Or are is that pedantic as well? Am I not allowed to be frustrated over something that is entirely out of my control over something that I genuinely love simply because it's a video game and that's -too weird- for you..? Yeah, I implied a person's personal feelings. Generally what happens when that person basically devalues what is cause of concern for another player. You can't just up and walk in, tell someone the political correct equivalent of "quit being a baby" and then expect them not to get a little twinged. But yanno, feel free to keep that up, I'm sure I'll make a big turn around any minute now and legitimately apologize. EDIT: And please, -PLEASE- say something about how I need to re-evaluate my life for putting such a high priority on a video game. That'll -definitely- make me turn around and suddenly go all rational and apologetic/sympathetic toward what you're trying to say.
wow, i nearly voted for you when you ran for CPM, but pretty much everything I've seen you write since then has had waaaay too much salt.
Guys, we need to stop calling MU a 'matchmaker' when it's actually a 'teambuilder'.
And I want to play FE:A now. Damn.
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BAMM HAVOC
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
768
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Posted - 2015.03.21 16:17:00 -
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Ok, ok... Since I was linked this post via SKYPE and my name was mentioned above. I would like to clarify 2 things .
Firstly, I do not live in the realm of simple tinfoil hattery. I live in New Eden, my foo is super cap titan class.
It seems to me they trimmed the team down to a skeleton crew and manages to be profitable by in-your-face begging.
But I'm not going down this road... I enjoyed Fanfest this year, CCP seemed to be all about the substance rather than the hype, which to me says they have become very organised since last year.
But more bacon later...
YOU TUBEZ
BLOGZ
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1163
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Posted - 2015.03.21 17:04:00 -
[90] - Quote
I don't think they expected the backlash from the legion announcement last year. Upon seeing that isn't what dust fans wanted they started re-thinking their long term strategy, personally I'd prefer a port to PC as my PC can run circles around my PS3 and I haven't even upgraded my PC in years. There are fewer hurdles to jump in a PC game as far as releasing content and updates than there is with Sony so they would be able to bug fix at a better rate as well. I am not sure I'd bother buying a PS4 I just don't game enough anymore to justify it.
/Faceplam
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logan turnbull
Glitched Connection
14
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Posted - 2015.03.21 17:16:00 -
[91] - Quote
Fizzer XCIV wrote:Legion on PC: Bound to fail due to stiff competition and lack of serious server security. Star Citizen just won't leave enough room for it, even if its FPS parts end up being 10% as good as they look.
Dust on PS3: Days are numbered. PS3 is old. They just can't do what they want here.
Valkyrie: Bound to flop due to stiff competition. There is no way it will compete with Star Citizen and Elite: Dangerous. It being VR just isn't enough to make it worth playing over the alternatives... Especially when VR consoles are still in their infancy.
EVE: Not going anywhere. It is too solidly in its own niche with its own very strong fan base.
Dust/Legion on PS4: In a HUGE market where the only competition would be Planetside 2 and Blacklight Retribution (and maybe Warframe a little), a good F2P game with the complexity and style of the New Eden Universe has a good chance at being successful. Not only that, but CCP could finally make the game that they originally wanted.
cheers mate
lets roll
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Elpedo Hughes
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2015.03.21 17:35:00 -
[92] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:Dude don't lie. You still have hope and that's what they are banking on. Cause honestly to many, this game died a long time ago. Nah, I'm done. For real this time. I might still play but I'm definitely not investing any more money so they can try to wrap their heads around what they want to do. No sense in wasting my time and effort into it if it's going no where. Fun benefit of being terrified of commitment is that you can't honestly expect anyone else to commit to it either and that being said, why should I commit any more time and effort to a company that doesn't know what they want?
You been through alot of break-ups?  |
Elpedo Hughes
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2015.03.21 17:39:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Regis Blackbird wrote:Yeah...lets withdraw all our money and force them into the red again. Hell, let's quit playing while we're at it, so they really see the numbers plummet like a stone. That will really show them our hardcore dedication to the future of New Eden FPS. As contrary as this may sound, the surest way to get some form of continuation on PC and/or PS4 is to help grow the player base on the PS3. If CCP sees that there is a stable market which turns a profit, they will be more likely to want to continue on the next platform... Personally I take the news from Fanfest as good news. But hey, we are all different This is some of the dumbest logic I've ever heard. If Dust becomes unprofitable that's it, game over. The community's effort needs to be focused on Dust 514 as it exists, growing this community, and looking to get the game beyond PS3 through profitability here and now.
For the last 2 3/4 years of me playing this game you have always never seized to amaze me. GG.... GFuckingG
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Flint Beastgood III
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
1536
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Posted - 2015.03.21 18:57:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
+1
Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
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Flint Beastgood III
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
1536
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Posted - 2015.03.21 19:07:00 -
[95] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:
Some of us are in it for a little bit more than the casual experience, hate to break your heart. Some of us actually played this game for the longevity, the character progression, and the genuine sense of ownership and belonging in this fictional world that was created.
Yeah, I feel you, and this is how I felt prior to Fanfest 2014 but obviously that vision was scrapped right there and then and is why I left for 5 months. Now it's just another game that I enjoy to play (more than any other FPS I might add - I dont buy into the online franchise games anymore). Anytime I feel like I'm not having fun or I dislike something to the point of constant raging, I just stop playing. The game is what it is and will be what it will be. It's a sad realisation but I don't see it ever changing.
The old vision lies entirely with Legion now. Maybe Legion will happen, maybe it won't, but if it doesn't come to PS4 I won't be getting it anyway. Surely nobody still plays DUST for the New Eden experience... ???
Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
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George Moros
DUST FINEST
431
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Posted - 2015.03.21 19:14:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:
Absolutely. This game has survived a lot. We're still here. The game is making CCP money, and the game is getting better and better. <- That is a recipe for success DUST has not been able to brag about before. Everyone's continued support of this game is what will give us that power to get what we want.
You can call recent DUST improvements a "success" only if you take a very loose definition of the term. Even if it's true that DUST is making CCP money, It can only be possible because:
a) DUST is being run and developed by a skeleton crew, so CCP has minimized their expenses on it
b) all the major competitors are developing new titles for next-gen consoles (actually current-gen - PS4 is on the market for quite some time), thus giving DUST some breathing space inside PS3 market
c) whatever profit DUST makes, it is most probably not enough to fund any serious improvements like moving to another platform, adding some serious new content and/or making a meaningful EVE/DUST link (meaning, making any of this happen inside a reasonable time frame)
Therefore, the fact that the game survived a lot and is getting better isn't really reason for much hope. First of all, from the state the game was in on release, it is hardly possible for it to get any worse from then on. The fact that it's running on a console whose life cycle is nearing it's end, also isn't reason for hope that DUST will grow it's playerbase large enough to provide much needed resources for further serious development.
Face it. From a commercial standpoint, DUST flopped. Badly. And it will not stand back on it's feet without support from CCP management. And saying "you guys continue development with minimum resources, and if you make the game successful, we'll give you more", isn't support. This is like saying to a dying patient "we'll put you on life support, and if you get better on your own, then we'll give you some concrete treatment to help you back to full health". That's bullshit.
Pulvereus ergo queritor.
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Flint Beastgood III
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
1536
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Posted - 2015.03.21 19:22:00 -
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BAMM HAVOC wrote:I enjoyed Fanfest this year, CCP seemed to be all about the substance rather than the hype, which to me says they have become very organised since last year.
Yeah, I thought pretty much the same. There are no false hopes or promises, they will just continue to do what they can to make this an enjoyable game that we continue to participate in. As long as it is still fun for me personally I will continue to play and support it/them by spend money on it - when there are things I deem worthy of my pennies.
NOTE: I am definitely on the side of the "Legion for PS4!!!" crowd, and if they give any indication that more DUST income could make this a reality I will start pouring in a lot more.
Also, IMO fun and serious gameplay are not chalk and cheese (in regards to the ridiculous jump mods that I instantly hated, and the line about "no fun and colours" from this year's fanfest video). Serious gameplay IS fun and is why I play tactical team/squad-based shooters.
Skills - https://www.facebook.com/notes/flint-beastgood-iii/list-of-trained-skills/416505058477164
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JJ'S
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2015.03.21 19:25:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Really it doesn't matter anymore for me.
Nearing the 100mil SP mark, vehicles are still in a poor place, infantry is run of the mill and im rich enough.
I have got MGSV and MGO3 to look forward to, Planetside 2 for the big battles and a few different titles such as Warthunder/Warframe etc.
This game is on borrowed time, maybe if it jumps to another platform it can survive and be where it ought to be but right now it is limping on a dying platform.
Disclaimer:
The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
If your on the PS4 and looking for a F2p sci-fi MMO-like shooter similar to DUST? Try Blacklight:Retribution.
Amazing gun customization.. awesome core mechanics.. Done on UE3 even. |
Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
533
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Kevall Longstride wrote:George Moros wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way.
There's a "catch-22" in your reasoning. DUST won't become profitable if CCP doesn't invest in further development. Although some people here on forums claim that DUST is actually making profit for CCP, it is highly unlikely that the profit (if any at all) is significant enough to fund any further serious development of DUST. CCP's only serious source of revenue is (and has always been) EVE Online. If they cancelled DUST today, and let go of all the people currently involved with it, I doubt they would see any financial hit whatsoever. For the record is not the forums claiming that the game is making money it's the company CEO. I'm here, right now with the Dust Devs and Shangahi team, on the pub crawl and I'm taking the time out, while ever so slightly drunk, to tell you right now that I'm getting nothing but positivity and good vibes concerning Dust 514. You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden.
Are they "laser focused"? Vehicle parity as mentioned (promised?)
Death is a serious businessGǪ So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
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castba
Rogue Instincts
Ashtar Federation
826
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Posted - 2015.03.22 03:32:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way. Making as much money as possible while keeping costs low is Business 101. If Hilmar doesn't have to port Dust 514 to PC because it's turning a tidy profit on a dead console then why would he? No incentive there. When the money dries up on PS3 he will be incentivized to head to greener pastures: PC or PS4.
If that could happen at a moment's notice it would be fine.
Development takes time and requires forward planning to obtain the optimum outcome.
If CCP wait until "the money dries up" on PS3, it will be too late to start development on a PS4 version.
Unfortunately CCP stuffed up initially when they stated development of Dust for PS3. Should have their eye on PS4 from the start.
They then dropped the ball again by not developing a PS4 iteration along side their learnings from Dust's first year of release which would have been the "go to" shooter when the PS4 was initially released.
Such an obvious and significant business opportunity squandered. Makes me sad for what could have been for CCP.
"When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
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Kevall Longstride wrote:George Moros wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way.
There's a "catch-22" in your reasoning. DUST won't become profitable if CCP doesn't invest in further development. Although some people here on forums claim that DUST is actually making profit for CCP, it is highly unlikely that the profit (if any at all) is significant enough to fund any further serious development of DUST. CCP's only serious source of revenue is (and has always been) EVE Online. If they cancelled DUST today, and let go of all the people currently involved with it, I doubt they would see any financial hit whatsoever. I'm here, right now with the Dust Devs and Shangahi team, on the pub crawl and I'm taking the time out, while ever so slightly drunk, to tell you right now that I'm getting nothing but positivity and good vibes concerning Dust 514. You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden.
That's just the alcohol.
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First Prophet wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:George Moros wrote:[quote=Pokey Dravon]
Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way. There's a "catch-22" in your reasoning. DUST won't become profitable if CCP doesn't invest in further development. Although some people here on forums claim that DUST is actually making profit for CCP, it is highly unlikely that the profit (if any at all) is significant enough to fund any further serious development of DUST. CCP's only serious source of revenue is (and has always been) EVE Online. If they cancelled DUST today, and let go of all the people currently involved with it, I doubt they would see any financial hit whatsoever. I'm here, right now with the Dust Devs and Shangahi team, on the pub crawl and I'm taking the time out, while ever so slightly drunk, to tell you right now that I'm getting nothing but positivity and good vibes concerning Dust 514. You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden.
That's just the alcohol.[/quote
It's the alcohol and frankly Dust and CCP have that common thread; failing to really implement changes that make it a bit more open and instead have a fanboy market. You don't really see WoW players for the most part in EvE and vice~versa; they exist but it's pretty tiny of a fraction that players who've never tried an mmo outnumber this group.
Dust isn't your traditional shooter and it does rely heavily on duration and time played via SP; normally time equates to more game experience but in Dust it also translates to SP's and that's a big benefit. To put the spotlight on how CCP fares with a lower budget and such; Destiny, even if it wasn't the game ppl wished it was, still sports a 10M active player base and that's down to the 1/7 it's height. Sure it's a big drop but Dust is around what now, 3K round? There's a reason why Dust took so long to be profitable... |
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Gemini Cuspid wrote:First Prophet wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:George Moros wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way.
There's a "catch-22" in your reasoning. DUST won't become profitable if CCP doesn't invest in further development. Although some people here on forums claim that DUST is actually making profit for CCP, it is highly unlikely that the profit (if any at all) is significant enough to fund any further serious development of DUST. CCP's only serious source of revenue is (and has always been) EVE Online. If they cancelled DUST today, and let go of all the people currently involved with it, I doubt they would see any financial hit whatsoever. I'm here, right now with the Dust Devs and Shangahi team, on the pub crawl and I'm taking the time out, while ever so slightly drunk, to tell you right now that I'm getting nothing but positivity and good vibes concerning Dust 514. You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden. That's just the alcohol. It's the alcohol and frankly Dust and CCP have that common thread; failing to really implement changes that make it a bit more open and instead have a fanboy market. You don't really see WoW players for the most part in EvE and vice~versa; they exist but it's pretty tiny of a fraction that players who've never tried an mmo outnumber this group. Dust isn't your traditional shooter and it does rely heavily on duration and time played via SP; normally time equates to more game experience but in Dust it also translates to SP's and that's a big benefit. To put the spotlight on how CCP fares with a lower budget and such; Destiny, even if it wasn't the game ppl wished it was, still sports a 10M active player base and that's down to the 1/7 it's height. Sure it's a big drop but Dust is around what now, 3K round? There's a reason why Dust took so long to be profitable...
Fixed your quotes. :D
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