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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 19:58:00 -
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Don't even bother hoping Dust 514 will last longer than 5-years. In an effort to show CCP how much we wanted this franchise to survive we apparently shot ourselves in the foot. We stabilized the player-base with 2,400 or so active players at any given time (meaning we're no longer hemmoraging players apparently) and not only that... We made it a profitable endeavor for CCP.
Which, both hilariously and ironically, may have sealed the fate of Project Legion as being in Development Hell as they're now back to focusing on Dust 514.
So - paraphrasing here (and of course just speculation) - we basically showed them that we were so loyal and dedicated to this franchise that they're now no-longer working on any long-term survivability and are just focusing on keeping Dust 514 as their cash cow, keeping our interests by fixing it. We are at this point, for lack of a better word, just job security. At least, that's the only conclusion I can personally bring up at this point since they apparently have nothing else to say on the matter.
We've a shelf life now. An expiration date.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:13:00 -
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STYLIE77 wrote:We are beta testing for Legion imo...
Its pretty freaggin clear that Legion ain't happenin' bro. They're just too terrified to lose their revenue stream to admit it.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:16:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Dude don't lie. You still have hope and that's what they are banking on. Cause honestly to many, this game died a long time ago.
Nah, I'm done. For real this time. I might still play but I'm definitely not investing any more money so they can try to wrap their heads around what they want to do. No sense in wasting my time and effort into it if it's going no where. Fun benefit of being terrified of commitment is that you can't honestly expect anyone else to commit to it either and that being said, why should I commit any more time and effort to a company that doesn't know what they want?
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 20:35:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:I'll give a quick parallel here: PoS revamp.
EVE players have been complaining about it for years. All that time being told "It's legacy code" and "we are working on it"
That's it. No updates as to what they did, no little insights to the new system. Nothing.
Come this year at Fanfest, they show off dozens of new goodies, a completely redesigned system, and come Saturday will be unveiling the finer details of their whole plan.
Before they were ready they gave EVE players NOTHING to hope for in regards to that feature coming around. Just words of "we're working on it but we won't show you anything"
Second Example: New SoV system.
Again same thing, just words that they were "working on it" and "it will be done when we are happy with it" but other than that no changes until they were ready to release phase one. Then again, nothing news wise on that front. Then again, bam, one dev blog later they open the flood gates on their system when they are confident in it.
TLDR:
CCP of today doesn't tell you crap unless they are ready with the product. Until they you might get confirmation that they are working on it, but they seem committed to no empty promises. However that commitment means they also won't share any features they are working on unless they are actually ready for release in the coming weeks / months.
Key difference: PC isn't outdated hardware, yo. There is no "PC4" to replace it.
CCP is trying to save a freaggin dinosaur on a console that was made a decade ago. Let that sink in for a moment...
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:02:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
Oh, cool, so now Pokey is playing the Blind Faith card.
Please don't come at me with this "if it's not fun don't play" BS, Pokey, seriously. Some of us are in it for a little bit more than the casual experience, hate to break your heart. Some of us actually played this game for the longevity, the character progression, and the genuine sense of ownership and belonging in this fictional world that was created. I'm sorry if that slaughters your little isolated view of how games have to be played and I genuinely do apologize if you only play video games for a fifteen minute thrill but for the love of christ don't come in here acting like you're god's gift to gaming with why people should or should not play video games.
Seriously. My level of respect for you dropped like, a dozen levels just now.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:27:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:
Aeon, I've never seen you lose your cool in such a pedantic way, and imply a different persons personal feelings without even a hint of evidence at them.
Youve officially gone into bamm havoc insanity land.
May i suggest you log iut the forums, go get sihtcan hammered, and have a copious amount of sex, then return with a better state of mind.
And if not, then its time for you to leave the community as you plan on cutting back your gameplay regardless at this point.
My sincerest apologies if this seems melodramatic - my bad for caring about the time, effort, and money that I invested into this little experiment and being concerned as to what all of it was worth. Allow me to sarcastically ask for your forgiveness for needing slightly more reassurance than "eh, maybe" toward something that has been about three years (that's 1/8th or about 12%) of my life. Even longer on Eve Online (started in 2006).
Do you think you can take a moment out of your time to acknowledge that a man is basically begging for your forgiveness that he was being melodramatic over something that's had a significant impact on their actual life and actually inspired some life decisions (going to school for game design)? Do you think you can do that or is that too melodramatic for you as well? Does that infringe on your concept of masculinity and what is or is not acceptable for a person to be concerned about what is, at this point, basically a lifestyle?
Or are is that pedantic as well? Am I not allowed to be frustrated over something that is entirely out of my control over something that I genuinely love simply because it's a video game and that's -too weird- for you..?
Yeah, I implied a person's personal feelings. Generally what happens when that person basically devalues what is cause of concern for another player. You can't just up and walk in, tell someone the political correct equivalent of "quit being a baby" and then expect them not to get a little twinged. But yanno, feel free to keep that up, I'm sure I'll make a big turn around any minute now and legitimately apologize.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:45:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
| Soldner VonKuechle wrote:
Aeon, I've never seen you lose your cool in such a pedantic way, and imply a different persons personal feelings without even a hint of evidence at them.
Youve officially gone into bamm havoc insanity land.
May i suggest you log iut the forums, go get sihtcan hammered, and have a copious amount of sex, then return with a better state of mind.
And if not, then its time for you to leave the community as you plan on cutting back your gameplay regardless at this point.
My sincerest apologies if this seems melodramatic - my bad for caring about the time, effort, and money that I invested into this little experiment and being concerned as to what all of it was worth. Allow me to sarcastically ask for your forgiveness for needing slightly more reassurance than "eh, maybe" toward something that has been about three years (that's 1/8th or about 12%) of my life. Even longer on Eve Online (started in 2006). Do you think you can take a moment out of your time to acknowledge that a man is basically begging for your forgiveness that he was being melodramatic over something that's had a significant impact on their actual life and actually inspired some life decisions (going to school for game design)? Do you think you can do that or is that too melodramatic for you as well? Does that infringe on your concept of masculinity and what is or is not acceptable for a person to be concerned about what is, at this point, basically a lifestyle? Or are is that pedantic as well? Am I not allowed to be frustrated over something that is entirely out of my control over something that I genuinely love simply because it's a video game and that's -too weird- for you..? Yeah, I implied a person's personal feelings. Generally what happens when that person basically devalues what is cause of concern for another player. You can't just up and walk in, tell someone the political correct equivalent of "quit being a baby" and then expect them not to get a little twinged. But yanno, feel free to keep that up, I'm sure I'll make a big turn around any minute now and legitimately apologize. EDIT: And please, -PLEASE- say something about how I need to re-evaluate my life for putting such a high priority on a video game. That'll -definitely- make me turn around and suddenly go all rational and apologetic/sympathetic toward what you're trying to say. Not trying to slight how you feel, or what you think, as I know that all things impact us all differently. What I will say as you seem to be a bit younger than I am is...put full stock into things in your life but always with the knowledge that they will end. Attachment is a control issue, and eventually you just have to let things go. Everything will end, and knowing that is what allows you to really enjoy things.
Only legitimate logic I've heard all day, even if it is bittersweet. Thanks for that.
Just really can't stand whenever someone comes barging in and starts taking stock on how much someone else should care about something.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 23:24:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Oh, cool, so now Pokey is playing the Blind Faith card.
Please don't come at me with this "if it's not fun don't play" BS, Pokey, seriously. Some of us are in it for a little bit more than the casual experience, hate to break your heart. Some of us actually played this game for the longevity, the character progression, and the genuine sense of ownership and belonging in this fictional world that was created. I'm sorry if that slaughters your little isolated view of how games have to be played and I genuinely do apologize if you only play video games for a fifteen minute thrill but for the love of christ don't come in here acting like you're god's gift to gaming with why people should or should not play video games.
Seriously. My level of respect for you dropped like, a dozen levels just now.
Oh, cool, so now Aeon is playing the Blind Pessimism card. Like seriously you take Hilmar saying "We're focusing on Dust and we want to give the players the best experience possible" as "Haha screw you guys, we're gonna stop trying to improve the game and milk you as long as possible". I mean what are you saying? That we're just going to cease adding new features now because the game is in the black? Toss out the roadmap because they're making money? Give me a break. You already knew that Dust was on a bare bones support, likely less than 5 dedicated people working on the game. Do you HONESTLY think that's going to get WORSE because the game is making money? I actually play the game because I enjoy the gameplay, not because I hate it and I'm waiting for it to get better. Do I want it to get better? Of course, not sure how much time you spend in Feedback but I like to think I'm actually quite active in many facets of balance and design for the game, because I wan't to help it get better, because I do actually like the game and want it to do well. If that makes me a casual, then I guess I'm a pretty filthy casual. And your respect for me dropped a dozen levels because I don't agree with your knee-jerk pessimism? Oh noes!  Don't worry though, I've come to expect such behavior from you so my level of respect for you is completely unchanged from where it was after you flipped out post CPM-1 Elections.
Thanks for being honest with me? I mean, really a shame it took you almost an entire year to come out and just say that instead of holding a poker face and - I dunno - talking on Skype, sharing thoughts and ideas, being general bros up until - oh noes, Aeon said something, better GO FOR THE JUGGULAR AND HIT HIM WITH SO MUCH AD HOMINE-
I dunno what to tell you bro. I tried to explain my case as calmly as I could with that last post despite my frustration, tried to explain the reasonings why I'm frustrated here, and you pretty much just turned all that around to make a paragraph long case for why you like the game and are "active in many facets" for... I dunno, self validation? I really don't care, either way. It doesn't really matter.
Its not Knee-Jerk Pessimism, bro. This has been building up for a long time and if you acknowledge that I was frustrated after the CPM1 Elections (not because of the CPM1 Elections, despite all the tin-foil that people seem to have) then clearly you acknowledge that it's not knee-jerk because of the fact that your respect for me hasn't changed since then. So which is it? Actually, you know what, don't answer that - I really don't care to know the answer because it doesn't really matter. It's just petty BS being thrown back and forth.
Think it's best that we just agree to disagree: I don't like the state of things, you're chill with it. Let's calmly go our separate ways.
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