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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:48:00 -
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Some one is salty...........
That momment when CCP Frame makes a horrible joke ( -í° -£-û -í°)
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
1801
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:53:00 -
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Cute kid, real fuccking cute.
We re all here because we care and are dedicated.
we ll all stay here cause this is the game and community we actually enjoy.
Be an instigator or a peace maker.
And before you further sperg about in regards to 'business' and try to assault my own 'knowledge' of it, I hold over lapping leadership ranks in the US largest dairy cooperative. I can read a market and its futures before you can say "falling out"
Time for a platform jump. Dust to WiiU!
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
1417
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Posted - 2015.03.20 21:54:00 -
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I love how salty everyone gets around FanFest. 
Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
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Avallo Kantor
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:01:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Avallo Kantor wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:Summa Militum wrote:If we are their job security wouldn't CCP want to push for the long-term survivability of this game? If they end this game they are losing the opportunity to have myself and others pay their rent or mortgage. OMG dude are you zombie bro? You are perfectly fine with spending your cash on this game? This is why the devs won't change. The player base is full of the gullible Shocking, people spend money for things they like? Lol dude, do you even understand the contextual theme of this thread?
It is about dead sea levels of salt.
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Gemini Cuspid
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:13:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Don't even bother hoping Dust 514 will last longer than 5-years. In an effort to show CCP how much we wanted this franchise to survive we apparently shot ourselves in the foot. We stabilized the player-base with 2,400 or so active players at any given time (meaning we're no longer hemmoraging players apparently) and not only that... We made it a profitable endeavor for CCP. Which, both hilariously and ironically, may have sealed the fate of Project Legion as being in Development Hell as they're now back to focusing on Dust 514. So - paraphrasing here (and of course just speculation) - we basically showed them that we were so loyal and dedicated to this franchise that they're now no-longer working on any long-term survivability and are just focusing on keeping Dust 514 as their cash cow, keeping our interests by fixing it. We are at this point, for lack of a better word, just job security. At least, that's the only conclusion I can personally bring up at this point since they apparently have nothing else to say on the matter. We've a shelf life now. An expiration date. If we are their job security wouldn't CCP want to push for the long-term survivability of this game? If they end this game they are losing the opportunity to have myself and others pay their rent or mortgage.
For players who did EvE as well as how CCP doesn't always allocate its resources properly *cough*WorldOfDarkness*cough* doesn't make it impossible for CCP to shoot itself in the foot.
It's not far from conceivable, let alone CCP has done this, where they undertake a project and then skin it to the barebone and then add a little life support is something that CCP has done before with projects. The thing with project legion is a lot of the "non~coded part" is something they already have a roadmap to; Legion is essentially Dust at the core.
Even with that, if they feel they cannot sustain Legion and Dust, Dust would be sacrificed as in letting it be active until the game/server dies. I'm still not convinced that Legion will fair any better than Dust; problems of transferring over data players earned in Dust over to Legion is still going to create uproar and make it a barrier for new players to join in as effectively.
CCP is always a bizarre company that could really benefit from examples of other game developers that faced nearly the same crisis. For whatever reason, they feel like they enjoy playing with fire and their whole public announcement would've been more palpable if they simply said "hey we're still investing in Dust blahblah" instead of going into how it'll eventually die off isn't the most motivational piece to give fans. |
George Moros
DUST FINEST
429
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:31:00 -
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I'm afraid I have to agree with the OP.
Although I may be wrong entirely, but from all the info that leaked during fanfest, it seems that a good portion of CCP Shanghai is working on things other than Legion/DUST, Legion is being put on ice and management clearly has no idea what to do with it, and DUST is being run by a skeleton crew, probably just to keep the semblance of a game that's still active and developing, in order to stop further playerbase leakage and at least cover the expenses of running it.
On the other hand, CCP has obviously put their hope on Valkyrie as their new successful title. A game that requires a VR set to play - piece of equipment that has yet to become a popular addition to a PC gamer's arsenal. Unless CCP believes Valkyrie will be so good that people will actually buy a VR set just in order to play it, this is a very risky bet indeed. And as to CCP's capacity to create such a game, well, history speaks for itself, and it's not telling a bright story.
Apart from EVE's undeniable success, every other major project CCP started, flopped badly. World of Darkness, EVE's "Walking in Stations", DUST, Legion... all of those are, from a commercial standpoint, failures. Some partial, some complete, but overall - failures.
IMHO, the main problem is CCP's top brass management, which clearly has no vision as to what they want, apart from insisting on being "different" and somehow "special". What they should be striving is to first and foremost - get good. Then go and be different all you want. CCP's vision of creating games "more meaningful than real life", and their self-proclaimed "war on the impossible", starts to look ridiculous when they're struggling to achieve things that other game developers find quite possible to achieve. What does CCP really got besides EVE? A half-baked lobby shooter on a dying console. More meaningful than real life? You have got to be kidding me.
And please, don't get me wrong. I actually like this half-baked lobby shooter. It's got some good qualities - there's no denying that. But I was sold this dream about "one universe / one war" that got me hooked on this game, and I'm clearly not the only one. And this dream is far from ever becoming a reality.
If Valkyrie flops in a similar fashion, what happens then? Will CCP's top brass heads finally start to roll, and (maybe) somebody new starts changing things, or will CCP quietly admit their role as a "one hit wonder" of gaming industry, and simply content to develop EVE for as long as they can, until it too finally fades away?
I apologize for this rant, but I had to take it off my chest. :)
Pulvereus ergo queritor.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:38:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
Oh, cool, so now Pokey is playing the Blind Faith card.
Please don't come at me with this "if it's not fun don't play" BS, Pokey, seriously. Some of us are in it for a little bit more than the casual experience, hate to break your heart. Some of us actually played this game for the longevity, the character progression, and the genuine sense of ownership and belonging in this fictional world that was created. I'm sorry if that slaughters your little isolated view of how games have to be played and I genuinely do apologize if you only play video games for a fifteen minute thrill but for the love of christ don't come in here acting like you're god's gift to gaming with why people should or should not play video games.
Seriously. My level of respect for you dropped like, a dozen levels just now.
Oh, cool, so now Aeon is playing the Blind Pessimism card.
Like seriously you take Hilmar saying "We're focusing on Dust and we want to give the players the best experience possible" as "Haha screw you guys, we're gonna stop trying to improve the game and milk you as long as possible". I mean what are you saying? That we're just going to cease adding new features now because the game is in the black? Toss out the roadmap because they're making money? Give me a break.
I actually play the game because I enjoy the gameplay, not because I hate it and I'm waiting for it to get better. Do I want it to get better? Of course, not sure how much time you spend in Feedback but I like to think I'm actually quite active in many facets of balance and design for the game, because I wan't to help it get better, because I do actually like the game and want it to do well. If that makes me a casual, then I guess I'm a pretty filthy casual.
And your respect for me dropped a dozen levels because I don't agree with your knee-jerk pessimism? Oh noes! 
Don't worry though, I've come to expect such behavior from you so my level of respect for you is completely unchanged from where it was after you flipped out post CPM-1 Elections.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:39:00 -
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Weird, I read that article and thought for the first time that they seemed to be coming to their senses and at least consider a PS4 port a possibility. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:43:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Weird, I read that article and thought for the first time that they seemed to be coming to their senses and at least consider a PS4 port a possibility.
Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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axis alpha
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
690
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:48:00 -
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A lot of us vets are in denial. But I've been saying this for a while now. There have been no real improvement to the game. Just gimmicks to get us to spend our money. I hate the feel this way. I hope there is another agenda beside taking our money
I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
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George Moros
DUST FINEST
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:57:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:
Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way.
There's a "catch-22" in your reasoning. DUST won't become profitable if CCP doesn't invest in further development. Although some people here on forums claim that DUST is actually making profit for CCP, it is highly unlikely that the profit (if any at all) is significant enough to fund any further serious development of DUST. CCP's only serious source of revenue is (and has always been) EVE Online. If they cancelled DUST today, and let go of all the people currently involved with it, I doubt they would see any financial hit whatsoever.
Pulvereus ergo queritor.
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
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Posted - 2015.03.20 23:00:00 -
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If I woke up tomorrow and the servers were off for good, I can say with great sincerity that I would just log back in to Battlefield 1943 and lope on. This game gives nothing, not once scintilla more than that game does, often less. Occasional fun with great wads of pointless frustration.
About time to re-open the pool, anyway.
KDR matchmaking fixes everything but the stupid purple Quafe stuff.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
8647
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Posted - 2015.03.20 23:23:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way. Making as much money as possible while keeping costs low is Business 101. If Hilmar doesn't have to port Dust 514 to PC because it's turning a tidy profit on a dead console then why would he? No incentive there.
When the money dries up on PS3 he will be incentivized to head to greener pastures: PC or PS4.
4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.20 23:24:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Oh, cool, so now Pokey is playing the Blind Faith card.
Please don't come at me with this "if it's not fun don't play" BS, Pokey, seriously. Some of us are in it for a little bit more than the casual experience, hate to break your heart. Some of us actually played this game for the longevity, the character progression, and the genuine sense of ownership and belonging in this fictional world that was created. I'm sorry if that slaughters your little isolated view of how games have to be played and I genuinely do apologize if you only play video games for a fifteen minute thrill but for the love of christ don't come in here acting like you're god's gift to gaming with why people should or should not play video games.
Seriously. My level of respect for you dropped like, a dozen levels just now.
Oh, cool, so now Aeon is playing the Blind Pessimism card. Like seriously you take Hilmar saying "We're focusing on Dust and we want to give the players the best experience possible" as "Haha screw you guys, we're gonna stop trying to improve the game and milk you as long as possible". I mean what are you saying? That we're just going to cease adding new features now because the game is in the black? Toss out the roadmap because they're making money? Give me a break. You already knew that Dust was on a bare bones support, likely less than 5 dedicated people working on the game. Do you HONESTLY think that's going to get WORSE because the game is making money? I actually play the game because I enjoy the gameplay, not because I hate it and I'm waiting for it to get better. Do I want it to get better? Of course, not sure how much time you spend in Feedback but I like to think I'm actually quite active in many facets of balance and design for the game, because I wan't to help it get better, because I do actually like the game and want it to do well. If that makes me a casual, then I guess I'm a pretty filthy casual. And your respect for me dropped a dozen levels because I don't agree with your knee-jerk pessimism? Oh noes! Don't worry though, I've come to expect such behavior from you so my level of respect for you is completely unchanged from where it was after you flipped out post CPM-1 Elections.
Thanks for being honest with me? I mean, really a shame it took you almost an entire year to come out and just say that instead of holding a poker face and - I dunno - talking on Skype, sharing thoughts and ideas, being general bros up until - oh noes, Aeon said something, better GO FOR THE JUGGULAR AND HIT HIM WITH SO MUCH AD HOMINE-
I dunno what to tell you bro. I tried to explain my case as calmly as I could with that last post despite my frustration, tried to explain the reasonings why I'm frustrated here, and you pretty much just turned all that around to make a paragraph long case for why you like the game and are "active in many facets" for... I dunno, self validation? I really don't care, either way. It doesn't really matter.
Its not Knee-Jerk Pessimism, bro. This has been building up for a long time and if you acknowledge that I was frustrated after the CPM1 Elections (not because of the CPM1 Elections, despite all the tin-foil that people seem to have) then clearly you acknowledge that it's not knee-jerk because of the fact that your respect for me hasn't changed since then. So which is it? Actually, you know what, don't answer that - I really don't care to know the answer because it doesn't really matter. It's just petty BS being thrown back and forth.
Think it's best that we just agree to disagree: I don't like the state of things, you're chill with it. Let's calmly go our separate ways.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2015.03.20 23:28:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way. Making as much money as possible while keeping costs low is Business 101. If Hilmar doesn't have to port Dust 514 to PC because it's turning a tidy profit on a dead console then why would he? No incentive there. When the money dries up on PS3 he will be incentivized to head to greener pastures: PC or PS4.
There are some companies that do things like this. Radio Shack, Blockbuster Video, Blackberry, etc. Successful companies parlay profits into growth opportunities. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.03.20 23:41:00 -
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Growth opportunities: Nemesis, Valkyrie, and Eve Online.
4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Mercenary Army
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Posted - 2015.03.20 23:42:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:keeping our interests by fixing it.
If they're fixing it then there's hope.
Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster!
Rated [TV-MA]
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
2511
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Posted - 2015.03.20 23:44:00 -
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George Moros wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way.
There's a "catch-22" in your reasoning. DUST won't become profitable if CCP doesn't invest in further development. Although some people here on forums claim that DUST is actually making profit for CCP, it is highly unlikely that the profit (if any at all) is significant enough to fund any further serious development of DUST. CCP's only serious source of revenue is (and has always been) EVE Online. If they cancelled DUST today, and let go of all the people currently involved with it, I doubt they would see any financial hit whatsoever.
For the record is not the forums claiming that the game is making money it's the company CEO.
I'm here, right now with the Dust Devs and Shangahi team, on the pub crawl and I'm taking the time out, while ever so slightly drunk, to tell you right now that I'm getting nothing but positivity and good vibes concerning Dust 514.
You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden.
CPM 1 member
CEO of DUST University
Vist dustcpm.com
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.20 23:50:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:George Moros wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
Aeon seems to think that when companies make money on a product, that they reduce support for it. The only chance Dust has of actually progressing if it became profitable. I can't understand why people think this could be construed as a bad thing in any way.
There's a "catch-22" in your reasoning. DUST won't become profitable if CCP doesn't invest in further development. Although some people here on forums claim that DUST is actually making profit for CCP, it is highly unlikely that the profit (if any at all) is significant enough to fund any further serious development of DUST. CCP's only serious source of revenue is (and has always been) EVE Online. If they cancelled DUST today, and let go of all the people currently involved with it, I doubt they would see any financial hit whatsoever. For the record is not the forums claiming that the game is making money it's the company CEO. I'm here, right now with the Dust Devs and Shangahi team, on the pub crawl and I'm taking the time out, while ever so slightly drunk, to tell you right now that I'm getting nothing but positivity and good vibes concerning Dust 514. You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden.
Tell them I said Hi and **** Legion, then yell Dust 514 and slam a shot.
For realz tho, tell SMG Thor says hi and that his beard is awesome |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:19:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden. Kevall, I'm happy that you are optimistic about the future of an FPS in New Eden, but you aren't the least bit concerned about the aging PS3 hosting this game for years to come? That doesn't worry you just a little bit?
4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:26:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:You can choose to dismiss it as the ramblings of a fan boy if you want but I'm feeling better than I've done in a long time about the future of an FPS set in New Eden. Kevall, I'm happy that you are optimistic about the future of an FPS in New Eden, but you aren't the least bit concerned about the aging PS3 hosting this game for years to come? That doesn't worry you just a little bit?
Remember, he has access to info (like company wide strategic plans) that we don't.
We're making money, internal metrics are 'good' and there's community driven plans.
If!
And mean big IIIIFFFFF they keep going in a relatively forward direction, then there's reason to possibly 'think' (not hope) they'll platform jump in 15 months (give or take a quarter)
Lotta if though.
Time for a platform jump. Dust to WiiU!
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Greiv Rabbah
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
270
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:30:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Good lord this is melodramatic.
Is Dust fun for you to play? If so, keep playing, enjoy it for what it is. If not, don't play.
If you have to hand some grand vision of what the future might hold in order to enjoy day to day gameplay, stop playing.
This isn't like your mom telling you to eat your broccoli so you can get dessert.
If you don't like what you're consuming right now, don't play.
If the game isn't fun for you right now, don't play.
Also, we're CCP job security? So what you're saying is that....if a product appeals to consumers enough that they spend money on it....and people then spend money, thus making the product profitable, which then encourages the company to keep having people work on said product.....in order to make more money.... which assures those people will be able to keep working....to make money.............Wait a second, that's how EVERY COMPANY EVER WORKS.
Oh, cool, so now Pokey is playing the Blind Faith card. Please don't come at me with this "if it's not fun don't play" BS, Pokey, seriously. Some of us are in it for a little bit more than the casual experience, hate to break your heart. Some of us actually played this game for the longevity, the character progression, and the genuine sense of ownership and belonging in this fictional world that was created. I'm sorry if that slaughters your little isolated view of how games have to be played and I genuinely do apologize if you only play video games for a fifteen minute thrill but for the love of christ don't come in here acting like you're god's gift to gaming with why people should or should not play video games. Seriously. My level of respect for you dropped like, a dozen levels just now.
I played this game for the longevity. Still do. Thousands of players were hurt by the legion announcement and now the devoted few will get butthurt by plans to continue developing dust based on it finally becoming profitable?
I thought hilmars statement would be a breath of fresh air to those uncertain about the games future. I thought that by announcing to the players that dust was finally profitable the playerbase would see that the long-term game we were promised has a chance to still exist.
In a moment of naive elation I actually believed that by announcing that dust isn't dead and isn't going to die anytime soon, that players would finally be happy about something.
And then I see this.
And finally I realize that the playerbase dust has will always be full of hate. That everything CCP ever does will always be the wrong thing. I understand why rouge ddoesn't speak. Anybody at CCP who talks to the playerbase is either a fool or a scapegoat. I am thankful that rattati offers himself up as that fool. I am sad that he does so knowing that when the game falls to this pessimistic drivel, he will likely be out of a job.
Aeon, this thread is depressing and will only serve to harm a game you profess to care about.
What is your endgame here? Unless it is to undermine the success of a game that after years is finally profiting, what is your goal in inciting a riotous feeling among a playerbase that has just been told we have a future? A playerbase that has just been told eve is no longer CCPs only moneymaker? A playerbase that should be rejoicing in the knowledge that we aren't about to get dropped like a bad habit at a moments notice for costing CCP too much money?
Why are you trying to keep people from realizing that due to its success, dust may see an improved quality of development in the days to come?
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:30:00 -
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If Legion is on the back burner than we are basically due for termination soon as the PS3 servers shut down.
I'm guessing we better put down our guns and get ready for the cockpit.
WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLCCCCCCCCCCOMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DANGEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ZONNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I guess being a space jet fighter isn't a bad consolidation prize for our mercenary careers coming to an abrupt end.
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:35:00 -
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They can reskin as much guns they want, till they at least try to get some pre alpha stick models working on the ps4 network our beloved game will become a distant memory. The few players will move on and their will be only a handful of us bugging ccp in 2017 about reintroducing the mmofps aspect of new eden. Right now is our best chance to get them to even attempt. Once this game is gone, it is going to be a kickstarter miracle to get it back.
This game is the breath of fire of shooters. Don't take it for granted.
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Greiv Rabbah
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:40:00 -
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I like how post #6 there apparently doesn't know that dust has had kb/m support for a long while
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:46:00 -
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That's not the impression I got when I heard the news of Dust being stabilized and profitable.
First off, CEO Hilmar nows all too well by his own admission that the PS3 only has about 2-3 years of life left in it since now the PS4 has saturated the console market with well over 20 million PS4s and counting while the PS3 is already slowly shutting down in places. Just look at PlayStation Home which closed permanently at the end of this month.
Second, since Dust is now officially their new source of revenue along with Eve Online, I theorize that they will likely do their best to get it ready for either a PS4 port or a PC port. I don't care which platform it gets ported to as long as CCP starts in motion a plan to keep Dust going in a better platform now that the PS3 is drawing to a close.
Third, I honestly stopped caring about Legion a long ass time ago. So I won't miss Legion if it gets shut down. After all, Dust is making money for CCP, not Legion.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
438
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Posted - 2015.03.21 01:05:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Don't even bother hoping Dust 514 will last longer than 5-years. In an effort to show CCP how much we wanted this franchise to survive we apparently shot ourselves in the foot. We stabilized the player-base with 2,400 or so active players at any given time (meaning we're no longer hemmoraging players apparently) and not only that... We made it a profitable endeavor for CCP. Which, both hilariously and ironically, may have sealed the fate of Project Legion as being in Development Hell as they're now back to focusing on Dust 514. So - paraphrasing here (and of course just speculation) - we basically showed them that we were so loyal and dedicated to this franchise that they're now no-longer working on any long-term survivability and are just focusing on keeping Dust 514 as their cash cow, keeping our interests by fixing it. We are at this point, for lack of a better word, just job security. At least, that's the only conclusion I can personally bring up at this point since they apparently have nothing else to say on the matter. We've a shelf life now. An expiration date. Legion will come, because Dust won't live forever. And if it's profitable CCP won't kill the game. And due to Legion being the same game anyways... yeah. Wait a year or two, then they'll talk about Legion.
And then you'll wait another year after that waiting for the one answer you will never get from CCP. Then they'll keep stringing you along like they have been. The only reason why this game doesn't succeed or happens the way it should is because of players like yourself. I have been here from the start, and undeniably from a business standpoint this is in fact a steady paycheck for the DEV's, while you the consumer get less than minimum "expansions" that are not even worth mentioning. Those said individuals have more than enough money to get the job done, but have squandered resources on "classified" projects like Legion that has only been mentioned once in terms of progression for our future... That was over a year ago. You are the hustle that keeps the Aurum Lords happy. Your a business man's wet dream. Hope you enjoy what your money has been going towards. I think it's called VR or something like that. Next year it'll be like a Zombie game venture. Who know's? 
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Pokey Dravon
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Aeon, listen. I know you care about the game deeply, and that's good. The problem I have with this is that CCP makes a few comments and you seem to take it in the absolute worst way possible. It's this "HOLY ******* **** WE'RE ALL GETTING SCREWED OVER!" arm flailing mentality that spooks the company into not saying anything at all, because even "Oh yeah we're profitable now" somehow sends you into a rant about how it's the end of days for Dust.
Should they talk more? Absolutely. But I feel like you often approach this sort of thing with an emotionally driven mindset, which leads to rather over the top and often bombastic threads like this one, when there is very little concrete evidence to support what you're either implying or saying outright. Again I understand that you're very emotionally engaged in the whole situation, and am I overly optimistic? Probably. But these sort of outbursts and trying to rile up the community in a Chicken Little-like fashion is not going to help anyone.
I guess what I'm saying is....is you really need to take a chill pill. If you have legitimate concerns, even if they're wrapped in a bit of tinfoil, it's fine to state them in a clear an objective manner. But this sort of emotionally driven conjecture often presented as fact serves to do nothing but freak people out, often unduly, because of the assumptions being made. The fact remains that we don't have all of the information about what's going on within the company or what their intentions are. We can make assumptions and piece together tidbits of information, but ultimately they're potentially incorrect interpretations.
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Am i completely satisfied with the way things are? No, of course not, I would love to have more development. But I also understand that there are limitations, money being a big part of it. Many people, yourself included, want leaps and bounds of progress being made, but truthfully from what I know about business, CCP and namely its shareholders are scared shitless, and they're not going to take any more chances since apparently up to this point, Dust has been in the red.
Rattati has obviously done a lot to change that, and obviously has been successful. A company, it is far easier to make the call to invest additional resources into a project if the project is actively making money. The move from being in the red to being in the black was the first small step but the end effect is likely far larger. The fact remains that the game and development team was completely FUBAR'd and just now are things starting to look half organized enough to start moving forward with expanding things out. It's going to be slow at first and I know people are very frustrated, but things ARE improving, even if you don't personally agree with everything that's happening.
The point I was making is that you basically sound completely dissatisfied with the game in it's current state, and my point was that if that's how you feel, then you'll likely never be completely satisfied. The game itself is enjoyable to me, that's why I put so much effort into it because I want to make it better. Hell I don't know if you listen to our Podcast but we've been talking about this **** ever week for 45 weeks, because we want to make the game better. But I feel like a lot of people just don't like the game but are hanging on for it to become something it's just not. Maybe I misinterpreted your initial intent, but it feels like you land closer to the latter category. If not, than I apologize.
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I know you care man, and I don't mean to **** in your cheerios. But you really just need to take a deep breath and relax.
Also I think it's great that you're following your dreams to get into video game design. I know you've been doing some UI stuff and whatnot. And being unemployed sucks, I was without work for over a year and a half after graduating college. I do hope you find something soon, just try not to let the stress of it get to you.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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Greiv Rabbah
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Weird, I read that article and thought for the first time that they seemed to be coming to their senses and at least consider a PS4 port a possibility.
If you read the legion threads, CCP Rouge was pretty clear about future consoles being a possibility. In fact, CCP never thought that the ps3 would last forever, but due to eve now having 2 profitable games, they have more reason to put more work into ensuring the future of dust remains stable.
Aeon, if you've been in new eden since 06, why do you not see the outcome that is inevitable?
Eve was a failure for some time before it evolved into as successful a game as it now is. Eve had beginnings as rocky as dust has had and grew into an amazing ride.
I understand your concern, but as old a vet as you are in new eden, please do the right thing here and reassure players that its moving in the right direction instead of sowing seeds of doubt and despair.
People know you've been around for a long time, and if you care as much for the world of EVE as I know you do, you should be a role model to those who dont have past experience to remind them that things are moving in a direction of dust becoming a flourishing and long-lasting addition to the Eve series.
The future success of Dust 514 and its ability to grow into the game we were all sold a dream of is, well... STRONGLY dependent on whether people have confidence to continue paying into it.
By association, that makes the words and tone conveyed by those of us who have been a part of new eden for so long more meaningful.
I don't believe you want dust to die. So help it grow. Give people faith.
I hope you will settle down and come to your senses on this one. Preferably sooner rather than later
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:I like how post #6 there apparently doesn't know that dust has had kb/m support for a long while
"The whole reason DUST pretty much died is that it was supposed to be ported over the PS4, but that was when Sony wasn't going to charge a monthly access fee. The contract CCP had with Sony reflected that.
Then Sony decided to have PS4 users pay a monthly fee, and the contract went **** up."
Well, that's the story according to capsuleers, isn't it? there's no monthly fee for free to play games ffs.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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