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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:09:00 -
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While back I made a $10 bet that it would be revealed that CCP Shanghai was working on a new project.
Hilariously, I was right, just not to the extent that I thought I was.
Introducing: Project Nemesis. A kittening smart phone game.
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game
1875
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:12:00 -
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You got to be kidding me...
One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
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Sigourney Reever
Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm
86
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:13:00 -
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terrible. lol. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:14:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:While back I made a $10 bet that it would be revealed that CCP Shanghai was working on a new project. Hilariously, I was right, just not to the extent that I thought I was. Introducing: Project Nemesis. A kittening smart phone game.
ack of all trades, master of none.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback.
4769
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:14:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:While back I made a $10 bet that it would be revealed that CCP Shanghai was working on a new project. Hilariously, I was right, just not to the extent that I thought I was. Introducing: Project Nemesis. A kittening smart phone game.
:facepalm:
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Clone D
Solo Zen
1627
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:17:00 -
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They will never complete any of their current projects. |
Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:19:00 -
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Ah ah ah, i had to log in to share how ROFL i was when reading this.
PROJET...................................fuckin......................................NEMESIS
AH AH AH AH, that's just amazing. oh god.
Farming your likes since 2012
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
8583
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:19:00 -
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Clone D wrote:They will never complete any of their current projects. CCP is that uncle that has no less than five "fix'er up'er" cars in his front yard. They have been there for years and no one has the heart to tell him to just junk them.
4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
4288
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:23:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Ah ah ah, i had to log in to share how ROFL i was when reading this.
PROJECT...................................fuckin......................................NEMESIS
AH AH AH AH, that's just amazing. oh god.
You brought back a ghost.
Disclaimer:
The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
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Wilhelm Klingspor
DUST University
Ivy League
794
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:24:00 -
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good lord, another project to Focus on.
GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
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steadyhand amarr
shadows of 514
3654
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:24:00 -
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So legion got scrapped for a smart phone fing great.
Edit Oh it's another VR project nvm that's a fair enough move. Make a game where their is no comp =ƒÿå
You can never have to many chaples
-Templar True adamance
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
5846
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:26:00 -
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Nemesis is, as far as I know, a very small project. It is pretty fun though.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9237
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:26:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:So legion got scrapped for a smart phone fing great.
Edit Oh it's another VR project nvm that's a fair enough move. Make a game where their is no comp =ƒÿå
#JobSecurity
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
4288
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:28:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote: Nemesis is, as far as I know, a very small project. It is pretty fun though.
CPM
CCP Personal Minions
Always are trotted out to cover up something when CCP screws up.
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CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
8586
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:29:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote: Nemesis is, as far as I know, a very small project. It is pretty fun though. It's taking resources from Dust 514/Legion development.
4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
15529
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:31:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Soraya Xel wrote: Nemesis is, as far as I know, a very small project. It is pretty fun though. CPM CCP Personal Minions Always are trotted out to cover up something when CCP screws up. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
Your disclaimer kind of doesn't apply here.
Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan!
Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
15529
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:32:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote: Nemesis is, as far as I know, a very small project. It is pretty fun though.
Oh Soraya.
lol
Just lol
Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan!
Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
2375
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:33:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Ah ah ah, i had to log in to share how ROFL i was when reading this.
PROJECT...................................fuckin......................................NEMESIS
AH AH AH AH, that's just amazing. oh god. You brought back a ghost. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
I'm haunting those forums a lot, always lurking around 
But yeah, that had me materialize instantly lol
Farming your likes since 2012
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
4288
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:35:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Soraya Xel wrote: Nemesis is, as far as I know, a very small project. It is pretty fun though. CPM CCP Personal Minions Always are trotted out to cover up something when CCP screws up. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 Your disclaimer kind of doesn't apply here.
It is fine.
Disclaimer:
The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
4288
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:36:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Ah ah ah, i had to log in to share how ROFL i was when reading this.
PROJECT...................................fuckin......................................NEMESIS
AH AH AH AH, that's just amazing. oh god. You brought back a ghost. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 I'm haunting those forums a lot, always lurking around But yeah, that had me materialize instantly lol
Why?
I thought you dropped this game for good after what you saw 1st hand.
I bet you are waiting for PS2 right?
CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
2966
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:38:00 -
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It must be super fun to fire a turret of a giant spaceship.. I wonder who got such idea
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
15535
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:50:00 -
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I hope they realize that turret sections are boring in games for a reason...
Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan!
Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9238
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:56:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I hope they realize that turret sections are boring in games for a reason...
CCP Shanghai: Finding innovative ways to make you want to bring your VR Headset to the toilet with you, where-ever you go.
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz
4440
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:57:00 -
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"CCP"
" Throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks"
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
1543
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:59:00 -
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After seeing this and knowing Dust has had a skeleton crew working on it in Shanghai. Unless some kind of Dust/Legion news comes out of Fanfest people that continue to spend money on this game are part of the problem... Look what you're helping fund... |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
5846
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:03:00 -
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Bolsh, any money spent on Dust supports Dust development. R&D projects are their own thing.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
1408
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:04:00 -
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I think the question on everyone's minds is, "Will it be free and have the option for 1 billion micro-transactions?".
Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9241
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:05:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Bolsh, any money spent on Dust supports Dust development. R&D projects are their own thing.
I'd hate to be one of CCP Shanghai's investors right about now.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
1543
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:05:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Bolsh, any money spent on Dust supports Dust development. R&D projects are their own thing.
Cute... |
Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
1002
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:06:00 -
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Booby Tuesdays wrote:I think the question on everyone's minds is, "Will it be free and have the option for 1 billion micro-transactions?".
It's the warbarge iphone app!!!
You can upgrade the guns... for a small fee. |
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
2053
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:07:00 -
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Wilhelm Klingspor wrote:good lord, another project to Focus on.
LASER FOCUSED
seriously, this joke will never get old! keep up the good jokes! |
Cody Sietz
Random Gunz
4440
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:09:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Bolsh, any money spent on Dust supports Dust development. R&D projects are their own thing.
Though you have to admit this looks a little bad. Of course people are gonna have this reaction after all that's happened.
CCP has to take some money away from R&D and invest it into PR. Those of us that remain are still shaken, if not for the efforts of CCP Ratitties and the current CPM, i doubt we'd have any type of player base at all.
We put our trust and money into this game, it's pretty understandishable that people are gonna be cautious.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9242
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:11:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Bolsh, any money spent on Dust supports Dust development. R&D projects are their own thing. Though you have to admit this looks a little bad. Of course people are gonna have this reaction after all that's happened. CCP has to take some money away from R&D and invest it into PR. Those of us that remain are still shaken, if not for the efforts of CCP Ratitties and the current CPM, i doubt we'd have any type of player base at all. We put our trust and money into this game, it's pretty understandishable that people are gonna be cautious.
It is best to not even try to reason with them anymore, you'll just drive them to another project.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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Green Means Go
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:14:00 -
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Now im SO glad I didnt waste any of my tax return on dust....... Priorities you know......
CCP has given up on the ps3 and moved to smart phones.... Not very smart |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
2970
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:16:00 -
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Green Means Go wrote:Now im SO glad I didnt waste any of my tax return on dust....... Priorities you know...... CCP has given up on the ps3 and moved to smart phones.... Not very smart
B-but there are over 80 millions smartphone all over the world... and only one Project Nemesis.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9242
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:19:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Green Means Go wrote:Now im SO glad I didnt waste any of my tax return on dust....... Priorities you know...... CCP has given up on the ps3 and moved to smart phones.... Not very smart B-but there are over 80 millions smartphone all over the world... and only one Project Nemesis.
"But Cee Cee Peeeeeeeeeee, the next gen phones are coming out -next year-.......!!!"
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
1002
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:20:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Bolsh, any money spent on Dust supports Dust development. R&D projects are their own thing.
Their statements unfortunately don't break it down that way... but you can have a look at their overall R & D spending.
http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/ccpgames/assets/ccp-hf-financial-statements-june-30-2014.pdf
The only geographical revenue stream you'll see is by sales per region, but this means little except who is paying for EVE/Dust/whatever content per region, not how these are being spent by each studio.
what would be really juicy is seeing revenues per product per region (ie. per game).
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
5847
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:25:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Bolsh, any money spent on Dust supports Dust development. R&D projects are their own thing. Though you have to admit this looks a little bad. Of course people are gonna have this reaction after all that's happened. CCP has to take some money away from R&D and invest it into PR. Those of us that remain are still shaken, if not for the efforts of CCP Ratitties and the current CPM, i doubt we'd have any type of player base at all. We put our trust and money into this game, it's pretty understandishable that people are gonna be cautious.
Oh, I certainly expected this thread, Cody. As far as getting more PR, bad PR is what got us into those problems in the first place. I'm not confident more PR would be better.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9244
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:25:00 -
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Justicar Karnellia wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Bolsh, any money spent on Dust supports Dust development. R&D projects are their own thing. Their statements unfortunately don't break it down that way... but you can have a look at their overall R & D spending. http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/ccpgames/assets/ccp-hf-financial-statements-june-30-2014.pdfThe only geographical revenue stream you'll see is by sales per region, but this means little except who is paying for EVE/Dust/whatever content per region, not how these are being spent by each studio. what would be really juicy is seeing revenues per product per region (ie. per game).
I dunno if it is true, don't quote me on this because I genuinely don't know, I'm just passing on what I heard:
Someone told me last year at Fan Fest that the reason CCP puts so much effort into R&D is because its a form of investor fraud. If they don't report any profit, they don't have to pay back their investors.
Which is sort of reminiscent to what the NCAA does here in America with money - educational systems are giving exorbitant amounts of money but they can't in any way give that money (currency, gift, food, or otherwise) to Student Athletes and they have to spend that money as having a profit will suddenly stop the revenue stream, so they just start throwing it around any way they can just to get it out of their hands.
Like I said, just something I heard at Fan Fest. I'm no economist, or a fraud detective, just repeating what I was told.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
5847
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:30:00 -
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R&D is something you do if you want to grow a company. Which creates value for your investors over a longer period of time.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
2973
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:35:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:R&D is something you do if you want to grow a company. Which may create value for your investors over a longer period of time.
fixed. It really depends: making games for over-saturated platforms/ dying platforms with little to no innovation and bad execution is certainly not an incentive.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
5847
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:38:00 -
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True. There's definitely the potential for prototypes to not pan out or for something not to feel as good in practice as it sounds in theory. But that's what R&D is. Experimentation.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
7452
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:46:00 -
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was expecting to laugh about next development out of ccp shanghai but this is rather sad and makes me want to cry...
CBM
Get your Dust ISK here
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Atiim
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
15891
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:46:00 -
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LMFAO
The 1st Matari Commando
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2565
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:55:00 -
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Green Means Go wrote:Now im SO glad I didnt waste any of my tax return on dust....... Priorities you know...... CCP has given up on the ps3 and moved to smart phones.... Not very smart
This is why i warn new players from the get-go about spending money on Dust. It's the ethical thing do do, imo.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2565
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:59:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Bolsh, any money spent on Dust supports Dust development. R&D projects are their own thing. Though you have to admit this looks a little bad. Of course people are gonna have this reaction after all that's happened. CCP has to take some money away from R&D and invest it into PR. Those of us that remain are still shaken, if not for the efforts of CCP Ratitties and the current CPM, i doubt we'd have any type of player base at all. We put our trust and money into this game, it's pretty understandishable that people are gonna be cautious. Oh, I certainly expected this thread, Cody. As far as getting more PR, bad PR is what got us into those problems in the first place. I'm not confident more PR would be better.
It's an absolute f'in surety that more PR would get Dust laughed at after all this time. At the level of fundamental fps gameplay virtually nothing has changed.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2565
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Posted - 2015.03.19 16:01:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:R&D is something you do if you want to grow a company. Which creates value for your investors over a longer period of time.
True. So is delivering product. Which comes first, do you think?
PSN: RationalSpark
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Edgar Reinhart
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2015.03.19 16:11:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote: I dunno if it is true, don't quote me on this because I genuinely don't know, I'm just passing on what I heard:
Someone told me last year at Fan Fest that the reason CCP puts so much effort into R&D is because its a form of investor fraud. If they don't report any profit, they don't have to pay back their investors.
As someone who also knows nothing I'm going to ignore your request and quote you...... I think that it's all fairly standard practice, it's why here in the UK at least, there is always a massive splurge on things like road repairs at the end of the tax year as councils try and use up all their money so as not to have to make do with less the next year.
R&D is almost certainly, in my opinion, a better way to 'use up' your profits than some other methods as something may come out of it at the end and should be welcomed. Arguably it's what profits are actually for not simply 'giving a return to investors.'
Anyway It's not like CCP are spunking it all up the wall on a big blowout party for all their mates just before the tax year rolls round again...........
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steadyhand amarr
shadows of 514
3654
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Posted - 2015.03.19 16:20:00 -
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Tbh they are company they can spend the money how ever they like. It's not a kickstarter project. We ate paying for what we have no. Not what is coming.
Tbh moving into the VR space had given them a fing huge headstrong on the next important industry. Just like in EvE they beat everybody else to it...
You can never have to many chaples
-Templar True adamance
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Edgar Reinhart
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2015.03.19 16:26:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Tbh they are company they can spend the money how ever they like. It's not a kickstarter project. We ate paying for what we have no. Not what is coming.
Tbh moving into the VR space had given them a fing huge headstrong on the next important industry. Just like in EvE they beat everybody else to it...
Absolutely. Not criticising or anything, R&D and indeed Fanfest is a great thing for the company to do. |
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Draxus Prime
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
4385
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Posted - 2015.03.19 16:30:00 -
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hopefully this game isn't linked to the eve universe, I don't want randoms jumping into my ship and firing away at everything like in dust with blues getting into your vehicle
"Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner." - Draxus Prime
Closed Beta Vet
Scout
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MrShooter01
Ustio Mercenary Squadron
1488
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Posted - 2015.03.19 16:33:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:hopefully this game isn't linked to the eve universe, I don't want randoms jumping into my ship and firing away at everything like in dust with blues getting into your vehicle
"oh god damn it, my starboard 800mm autocannon is shooting at the CONCORD police captain again" |
Draxus Prime
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
4385
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Posted - 2015.03.19 16:36:00 -
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MrShooter01 wrote:Draxus Prime wrote:hopefully this game isn't linked to the eve universe, I don't want randoms jumping into my ship and firing away at everything like in dust with blues getting into your vehicle "oh god damn it, my starboard 800mm autocannon is shooting at the CONCORD police captain again"
"All ships aline, damn it Draxus that doesn't mean shoot at me"
"H-He won't stop, sir!"
"Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner." - Draxus Prime
Closed Beta Vet
Scout
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Mercenary Army
2169
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Posted - 2015.03.19 16:37:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Bolsh, any money spent on Dust supports Dust development. R&D projects are their own thing. Though you have to admit this looks a little bad. Of course people are gonna have this reaction after all that's happened. CCP has to take some money away from R&D and invest it into PR. Those of us that remain are still shaken, if not for the efforts of CCP Ratitties and the current CPM, i doubt we'd have any type of player base at all. We put our trust and money into this game, it's pretty understandishable that people are gonna be cautious. Oh, I certainly expected this thread, Cody. As far as getting more PR, bad PR is what got us into those problems in the first place. I'm not confident more PR would be better.
No, asinine decisions is what got them into those problems, the bad PR was an inevitable consequence.
Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster!
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Soraya Xel wrote:R&D is something you do if you want to grow a company. Which creates value for your investors over a longer period of time.
Maybe you should tell CCP to get on that then, cuz the only R&D we see is the patches we have to bug test for CCP.
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Vrain Matari wrote:Green Means Go wrote:Now im SO glad I didnt waste any of my tax return on dust....... Priorities you know...... CCP has given up on the ps3 and moved to smart phones.... Not very smart This is why i warn new players from the get-go about spending money on Dust. It's the ethical thing do do, imo.
Yes, because it's the highest of ethics to not pay for anything for a game you play and presumably enjoy.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Draxus Prime wrote:hopefully this game isn't linked to the eve universe, I don't want randoms jumping into my ship and firing away at everything like in dust with blues getting into your vehicle
Don't believe its intended to be anything more than what it is. Legion and Valkyrie news both basically confirmed last year that EVE link isn't a goal for projects at CCP.
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Green Means Go wrote:Now im SO glad I didnt waste any of my tax return on dust....... Priorities you know...... CCP has given up on the ps3 and moved to smart phones.... Not very smart This is why i warn new players from the get-go about spending money on Dust. It's the ethical thing do do, imo. Yes, because it's the highest of ethics to not pay for anything for a game you play and presumably enjoy.
No, but blowing your money on a game that it's own company barely slots resources to, is, well...not very wise.
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This news is defo the biggest LOL of the week.
So instead of those chaps finding a way to get rid of lag in our game, and improving the NPE and introducing new game modes, they build a turret shooting mobile game?
Just because you put elements of your competition (Star Citizen) in 4 different games, doesn't mean that you make money...
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Mad Syringe wrote:your competition (Star Citizen)
I laughed good at this one.
It's like a newborn playing football vs an entire pro football team lmfao.
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DUST Fiend wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:your competition (Star Citizen) I laughed good at this one. It's like a newborn playing football vs an entire pro football team lmfao.
Star Citizen, as far as it has to go, is a viable competitor, and CCP should indeed be concerned about it.
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Soraya Xel wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:your competition (Star Citizen) I laughed good at this one. It's like a newborn playing football vs an entire pro football team lmfao. Star Citizen, as far as it has to go, is a viable competitor, and CCP should indeed be concerned about it.
very concerned imo
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Draxus Prime wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:your competition (Star Citizen) I laughed good at this one. It's like a newborn playing football vs an entire pro football team lmfao. Star Citizen, as far as it has to go, is a viable competitor, and CCP should indeed be concerned about it. very concerned imo
SC has almost 900,000 backers already lol.
Including this guy  Even if it somehow flopped, it would still be ******* awesome haha. Unless CCP announces they're moving to PC / next gen, they won't have to worry about competition because they won't be anyone's competition.
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DUST Fiend wrote:Draxus Prime wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:your competition (Star Citizen) I laughed good at this one. It's like a newborn playing football vs an entire pro football team lmfao. Star Citizen, as far as it has to go, is a viable competitor, and CCP should indeed be concerned about it. very concerned imo SC has almost 900,000 backers already lol. Including this guy Even if it somehow flopped, it would still be ******* awesome haha. Unless CCP announces they're moving to PC / next gen, they won't have to worry about competition because they won't be anyone's competition.
including me too, it seems very ambitious but they've been delivering and interacting with the community a lot. If they get fps and the dogfighter parts of the game right then they will be SERIOUS competition
imo ccp should just abandon ps3, it was dumb, they should'be started and stayed on pc
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Dude, just their dev blogs and the dev show ALONE are more than I've grown used to here, and are very well polished. The alpha modules look and run great, and I don't know if any game has ever had the kind of support from the community like SC.
****, I watched the video on their damage system for the ships and got wicked excited.
Now if only I could figure out how to reliably fire my missiles....
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DUST Fiend wrote:Dude, just their dev blogs and the dev show ALONE are more than I've grown used to here, and are very well polished. The alpha modules look and run great, and I don't know if any game has ever had the kind of support from the community like SC.
****, I watched the video on their damage system for the ships and got wicked excited.
Now if only I could figure out how to reliably fire my missiles....
lol yeah, the modules so far are great
I feel they will deliver but it will be a decade long project
still worth it
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I'm more than happy to wait :) They've been very upfront about it being an ongoing project. So long as they keep showing progress and talking about their vision and direction with the community then I'm more than content.
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This style of gameplay is pretty damn great, ai feel it will be the new standard to have multiple experiances in one game like a single launcher eve and star citizen etc
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Posted - 2015.03.19 17:06:00 -
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technology and game development in the next 10 years would've evolved so much that much more ambitious, huge games will start popping up, star citizen being a catalyst
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SC solves the one thing that really pushed me away from EVE
Immersion.
I actually feel like I could become immersed in SC, where as EVE, I always feel so disconnected. I'm buying an Occulus Rift just for this game :D
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postapo wastelander
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Soraya Xel wrote:Bolsh, any money spent on Dust supports Dust development. R&D projects are their own thing.
Last time when i ask where is money from dust/AUR spent, devs told me they cant tell me ergo i do not trust you with this/your statement.
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I backed the game a bit but after seeing this trailer I put $100 into it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJJ9TcGxhNY. god dayum (also sorry aeon for hijacking)
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Oh yea that trailer is hot.
I bought the Freelancer DUR :3 Love that name haha, and it even has the helmet lmfao. Worth every penny, I can't way to fly my space RV :D
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CASH COW FARMERS.
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
708
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CCP= Can't Complete Projects
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
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Mad Syringe wrote:This news is defo the biggest LOL of the week.
So instead of those chaps finding a way to get rid of lag in our game, and improving the NPE and introducing new game modes, they build a turret shooting mobile game?
Just because you put elements of your competition (Star Citizen) in 4 different games, doesn't mean that you make money...
This seems so utter desperate, it's sad...
I check SC and i can tell that game have everything, we will see how CCP will react.
Right now im outside of this SM carnival of clones, but quite honestly im sad i still do not see Amarr/Minmatar vehicles, tech etc.
You know what..dust is not death or dying, it is just mutating and going more and more infected with B*shates.
This is honest truth, still same glitches and still not implemented core of game.
Sad story about LAZOR FUCKUS was dispersed around, but C-¦est la vie.
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.19 17:17:00 -
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This is now a Star citizen thread
How about that Retaliator! I for one am in love with the hornet ghost. Waiting to drop more money when they release the FPS module here in a couple weeks! |
postapo wastelander
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If dust was 5.8/10 on ign SC will be 20/10 XD
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bolsh lee wrote:This is now a Star citizen thread
How about that Retaliator! I for one am in love with the hornet ghost. Waiting to drop more money when they release the FPS module here in a couple weeks!
Wait it's only a couple weeks? alsdkjfloaikgjoewijlaksdjflkawje
Yea I'm getting in on that. And that Retaliator is pretty hot. I almost bought the Ghost but it doesn't have enough weapons for me personally. I tried to pick something that was a bit more all around since I'm mostly a solo player.
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postapo wastelander wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:This news is defo the biggest LOL of the week.
So instead of those chaps finding a way to get rid of lag in our game, and improving the NPE and introducing new game modes, they build a turret shooting mobile game?
Just because you put elements of your competition (Star Citizen) in 4 different games, doesn't mean that you make money...
This seems so utter desperate, it's sad... I check SC and i can tell that game have everything, we will see how CCP will react. Right now im outside of this SM carnival of clones, but quite honestly im sad i still do not see Amarr/Minmatar vehicles, tech etc. You know what..dust is not death or dying, it is just mutating and going more and more infected with B*shates. This is honest truth, still same glitches and still not implemented core of game. Sad story about LAZOR FUCKUS was dispersed around, but C-¦est la vie.
Did you guys see the Valkyrie presentation ? A guy in the audience referenced how SC does signature analysis and if that would be something in Valkyrie.. The devs stuttered and said umm no we tried that and it made the game too hard.... I LOLed.. that sums up CCP'S new vision when it comes to development. ..
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Negative-Feedback
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a mobile game!? Legion has been scrapped for a freaking mobile game??
Well, at least PS2 is here, its playable, and its about a decade ahead of anything Dust could ever hope to be. I wasn't really expecting anything out of Legion but at least we know now.
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Where is the #MOBILEMASTERRACE when you need it?
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.03.19 17:34:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:This news is defo the biggest LOL of the week.
So instead of those chaps finding a way to get rid of lag in our game, and improving the NPE and introducing new game modes, they build a turret shooting mobile game?
Just because you put elements of your competition (Star Citizen) in 4 different games, doesn't mean that you make money...
This seems so utter desperate, it's sad... I check SC and i can tell that game have everything, we will see how CCP will react. Right now im outside of this SM carnival of clones, but quite honestly im sad i still do not see Amarr/Minmatar vehicles, tech etc. You know what..dust is not death or dying, it is just mutating and going more and more infected with B*shates. This is honest truth, still same glitches and still not implemented core of game. Sad story about LAZOR FUCKUS was dispersed around, but C-¦est la vie. Did you guys see the Valkyrie presentation ? A guy in the audience referenced how SC does signature analysis and if that would be something in Valkyrie.. The devs stuttered and said umm no we tried that and it made the game too hard.... I LOLed.. that sums up CCP'S new vision when it comes to development. ..
Valkyrie/Legion honestly i do not care about these two.
I spend money for development of Dust 514 and what is in game.
No full racial parity on racial technology/weapons/vehicles.
Still same bugs.
Meh if i will go for Pc gameplay i will go for SC than Legion.
Because honestly CCP should finish project first, if not i do not want support other projects it is easy.
I put enough of money to this game and progress after the years is still nowhere.
Honestly
I will gladly support project of someone else who is really focused, than send money to someone who basicaly making only new skins and nothing else.
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Inc.
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Posted - 2015.03.19 17:35:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:bolsh lee wrote:This is now a Star citizen thread
How about that Retaliator! I for one am in love with the hornet ghost. Waiting to drop more money when they release the FPS module here in a couple weeks! Wait it's only a couple weeks? alsdkjfloaikgjoewijlaksdjflkawje Yea I'm getting in on that. And that Retaliator is pretty hot. I almost bought the Ghost but it doesn't have enough weapons for me personally. I tried to pick something that was a bit more all around since I'm mostly a solo player.
Yeah !! It was originally supposed to come out last week but they pushed it back because of a few issues I'm hoping they have reasonable pledge package just for the FPS module. (Help encourage that FPS community) But they are adding that REC system this weekend so people are able to acquire in game credits and try out different ships and equipment (won't be available in the persistent universe) For anyone who hasn't this is the time to just pledge a $45 pack and try out all the different options.
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Mad Syringe
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Posted - 2015.03.19 17:36:00 -
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I have pledged for SC over a year ago, but I have never really followed the development closely, since I don't have a rig to play it properly anyway.
What they have done so far, is though a completely different approach than EVE, an absolutley stunning project.
And so far they have delivered more than enough to keep their followers happy.
CCP on the other side, has a sad history of big promises and only mediocre delivery...
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Posted - 2015.03.19 17:38:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:bolsh lee wrote:This is now a Star citizen thread
How about that Retaliator! I for one am in love with the hornet ghost. Waiting to drop more money when they release the FPS module here in a couple weeks! Wait it's only a couple weeks? alsdkjfloaikgjoewijlaksdjflkawje Yea I'm getting in on that. And that Retaliator is pretty hot. I almost bought the Ghost but it doesn't have enough weapons for me personally. I tried to pick something that was a bit more all around since I'm mostly a solo player. Yeah !! It was originally supposed to come out last week but they pushed it back because of a few issues I'm hoping they have reasonable pledge package just for the FPS module. (Help encourage that FPS community) But they are adding that REC system this weekend so people are able to acquire in game credits and try out different ships and equipment (won't be available in the persistent universe) For anyone who hasn't this is the time to just pledge a $45 pack and try out all the different options.
Thanks for the heads up man.
Hopefully the module is $5, it should be.
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Immortal Guides
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Ah ah ah, i had to log in to share how ROFL i was when reading this.
PROJECT...................................fuckin......................................NEMESIS
AH AH AH AH, that's just amazing. oh god. You brought back a ghost. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 I'm haunting those forums a lot, always lurking around But yeah, that had me materialize instantly lol Why? I thought you dropped this game for good after what you saw 1st hand. I bet you are waiting for PS2 right?
You mean waiting for PS2 to come out on PS4? I'm in the Closed beta for it, and I'm really liking what I'm seeing.
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Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
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Finn Colman wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Ah ah ah, i had to log in to share how ROFL i was when reading this.
PROJECT...................................fuckin......................................NEMESIS
AH AH AH AH, that's just amazing. oh god. You brought back a ghost. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 I'm haunting those forums a lot, always lurking around But yeah, that had me materialize instantly lol Why? I thought you dropped this game for good after what you saw 1st hand. I bet you are waiting for PS2 right? You mean waiting for PS2 to come out on PS4? I'm in the Closed beta for it, and I'm really liking what I'm seeing.
Ah! Lucky you, I'm still waiting for the EU keys! Tried on PC last year, but couldn't handle it really well. Does it suffer any framerate drop? as far as I can see there's none from the streams...
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Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Finn Colman wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:
You brought back a ghost.
Disclaimer:
The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514
I'm haunting those forums a lot, always lurking around But yeah, that had me materialize instantly lol Why? I thought you dropped this game for good after what you saw 1st hand. I bet you are waiting for PS2 right? You mean waiting for PS2 to come out on PS4? I'm in the Closed beta for it, and I'm really liking what I'm seeing.
Ah! Lucky you, I'm still waiting for the EU keys! Tried on PC last year, but couldn't handle it really well. Does it suffer any framerate drop? as far as I can see there's none from the streams...[/quote]
Occasionally, when there are more than 100 players fighting over the same facility, but it generally holds up really well.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
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Finn Colman wrote:
Occasionally, when there are more than 100 players fighting over the same facility, but it generally holds up really well.
Well, that's cool. As far as you know, do you think it is engaging for big communities of players? like more than 300
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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ReDust Inc.
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What got me hooked to SC was the immersion they are aiming for, and after I saw this:
300 Series Commercial
I pretty much was hooked.
It just took another vid:
325a interdictor commercial
to learn that this thing even has a Mass Driver Cannon, that I pulled the trigger on the corresponding pledge package.
I'm really looking forward to explore the world of SC, it might not be as big as eve initially, but wow, has it detail to it. This is what I had hoped for when joining the ranks of Dust.
BTW, if you havn't decided on a ship yet, there are more ship commercials on RSIs you tube page:
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KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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What the heck. This can't be serious...... More projects and no doubt cancelations!?
They scrapped World of Darkness, they have probably scrapped Legion, they seem unwilling or unable to give EVE online the love and attention it really needs, DUST 514 is just ticking over and yet they want to make more shiny BS?
I love some of what CCP has created but it is things like this that make me realise that they really have no clue what they will stick too. Legion for instance.... how long has it been since we even heard anything about that vapourware?
Tons of people would love to play Legion, tons of people already DO play EVE but yet they just dont seem to want to realise their potential. Well what ever......
I'm actually quite disappointed by reading this .
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Mad Syringe wrote:I have pledged for SC over a year ago, but I have never really followed the development closely, since I don't have a rig to play it properly anyway.
What they have done so far, is though a completely different approach than EVE, an absolutley stunning project.
And so far they have delivered more than enough to keep their followers happy.
CCP on the other side, has a sad history of big promises and only mediocre delivery...
Soon tm doesn't cut it for me anymore.
If Star Citizen really is pulled off properly and continues with many many years of development, I do believe it will absolutely dominate its competition. There is still a super long way to go for sure but I actually see the progress, actually see the massive player support and actually see regular communication from the developers.
CCP - Why on earth can you not take a page out of their book? Instead we get shady secret projects left and right and it seems no one in CCP even has the courage to tell us the straight hard truth.
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
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CommanderBolt wrote:
If Star Citizen really is pulled off properly and continues with many many years of development, I do believe it will absolutely dominate its competition. There is still a super long way to go for sure but I actually see the progress, actually see the massive player support and actually see regular communication from the developers.
CCP - Why on earth can you not take a page out of their book? Instead we get shady secret projects left and right and it seems no one in CCP even has the courage to tell us the straight hard truth.
I think it's deperate trys to find the straw to pull themselves out of the vortex... |
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Re: throwing investment money into short R&D end-of-year development
Typical stuff really, whether it's up front investment or contract work. If you have surplus funds by year's end you generally report that depending on contract terms. If client/investors see that you could do X labor with only Y - surplus funding, then why would you need Y funding for the next contract term? So, dump that into R&D to justify the additional expense over what you actually used. 1) it's reinvestment into education, technology, and efficiencies even if development doesn't pan out; and 2) on the odd chance you happen upon discovery or innovation, then bonus. New venture(s) discovered, and options for development or exploitation are opened.
Re: spending money on a game that the company bla bla stuff...
Semantics. Spend money for immediate entertainment. Resupply your AUR gear, boost for the edge, respec, etc. You buy a ticket for a 2-hour movie, not as an investment stakeholder to support a potential sequel with return-on-investment expectations beyond entertainment. Otherwise, you would actually own stock in the production studio that I'm pretty certain would cost more than $20 a show.
You're trading currency for entertainment, nothing more. We are gamers, not stock-holders or private investors. No amount of anything beyond entertainment value is owed to you, or you, or any one of us. If you confuse the idea of paying for immediate entertainment value with speculation of what might one day be, then PM me as I have a few wonderful concepts that I would like to pitch. If you believe you now own shared rights with Warner Brothers, Peter Jackson, and/or the Tolkien Estate simply because you bought the Lord of the Rings super-special Bluray 3d + DVD + Digital HD with UltraViolet Technology! edition, enclosed in premium faux leather-bound holographic binding and an array of supplemental discs complete with director's cut versions 1, 2, and 3, screening cut (without backing soundtrack), Gollum commentary on working conditions and eating raw goblins and fish, plus 10 litho-print ultra-mega-special collector's edition set of trading cards with the One "decoder" Ring ---you know, to bind them---then... well. Have a drink on me, because I see massive disappointment in your future. 
As James Hetfield once said, "Sad but true..."
Personally, I think the song is about being stuck with an egotistical shaft of a drummer dictating his life, but lyrics are subjective and open to interpretation. To each his/her own, I suppose. No seriously, read those lyrics. It's totally about Lars.
I still love you all though.
<3<3<3
- me(ow)
=^.^=
p.s. That was slightly off topic of OP, but felt the need to jump in based on the random crap I'm reading in reply :) To the OP, gratz on your bet!
kitten bacon taco (nom)
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Soraya Xel wrote:Bolsh, any money spent on Dust supports Dust development. R&D projects are their own thing.
Oh yea? So being CPM entitles you to their finance reports?? Seriously man, just keep quiet. They dont need your defense. People have been had. Every action they've taken since Rouge Wedding states such.
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
6731
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:33:00 -
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These are dark times. It's even worse that most of the team is working on a cell phone game rather than a console or PC.
Also,
Clone D wrote:They will never complete any of their current projects.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
2978
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:33:00 -
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I don't think anyone feels "entitled" about the money they threw in or whatelse. I think the community is passionate, and really wanted to see the game succeed. Many (seriosly, most of us) believed the game could have become a great, immersive and "special" fps, and wanted to "fund" it by playing and throwing some dollars on it. In fact, people don't ask for refunds, they ask for more development.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Finn Colman
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
154
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:40:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Finn Colman wrote:
Occasionally, when there are more than 100 players fighting over the same facility, but it generally holds up really well.
Well, that's cool. As far as you know, do you think it is engaging for big communities of players? like more than 300
Sorry, I'm not quite sure what mean. Could you elaborate?
Jack-of-most-trades, master of one.
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Monty Mole Clone
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
285
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:44:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:I have pledged for SC over a year ago, but I have never really followed the development closely, since I don't have a rig to play it properly anyway.
What they have done so far, is though a completely different approach than EVE, an absolutley stunning project.
And so far they have delivered more than enough to keep their followers happy.
CCP on the other side, has a sad history of big promises and only mediocre delivery...
Soon tm doesn't cut it for me anymore. If Star Citizen really is pulled off properly and continues with many many years of development, I do believe it will absolutely dominate its competition. There is still a super long way to go for sure but I actually see the progress, actually see the massive player support and actually see regular communication from the developers. CCP - Why on earth can you not take a page out of their book? Instead we get shady secret projects left and right and it seems no one in CCP even has the courage to tell us the straight hard truth.
is that the game where you can buy all the ships for 12g, which lets be honest is a ******* bargain for a game thats not out of alpha
Dust 514 hurts
Go Fabulous or go home
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2567
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:46:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Green Means Go wrote:Now im SO glad I didnt waste any of my tax return on dust....... Priorities you know...... CCP has given up on the ps3 and moved to smart phones.... Not very smart This is why i warn new players from the get-go about spending money on Dust. It's the ethical thing do do, imo. Yes, because it's the highest of ethics to not pay for anything for a game you play and presumably enjoy.
Peeps need to be informed about what they're getting into. Given our history and current lack of information from the developer it's honestly an open question what peeps should expect when purchasing 'permanent' items in Dust.
It's the kind of thing i would want to know before spending money, but Dust's history is already long and convoluted and there's really no way somebody downloading the game for the first time would know any of it.
If peeps want to spend $$ on Dust that's great, the more the better, so long as they know what they're getting into. Caveat emptor always applies, ofc, but we can at least clue in the marks as to what game is being played ahead of time.
PSN: RationalSpark
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
2981
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Posted - 2015.03.19 18:58:00 -
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Finn Colman wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Finn Colman wrote:
Occasionally, when there are more than 100 players fighting over the same facility, but it generally holds up really well.
Well, that's cool. As far as you know, do you think it is engaging for big communities of players? like more than 300 Sorry, I'm not quite sure what mean. Could you elaborate?
I mean, do you think it is a good game if you play with a very large clan/guild?
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
2695
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:22:00 -
[103] - Quote
That's actually pretty hilarious.
People find this this review helpful!
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Finn Colman
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
154
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:46:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Finn Colman wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Finn Colman wrote:
Occasionally, when there are more than 100 players fighting over the same facility, but it generally holds up really well.
Well, that's cool. As far as you know, do you think it is engaging for big communities of players? like more than 300 Sorry, I'm not quite sure what mean. Could you elaborate? I mean, do you think it is a good game if you play with a very large clan/guild?
I don't doubt that it will be, though I've never played in a group that was larger than a single squad.
There is a grouping called Outfits, which can be quite large (or quite small) and is essentially a guild. They are not yet in the beta on PS4, but one can only assume that they will add them before the official release. The war is huge, spanning across 3 continents, and there is significant strategy, logistics, and organization that can be taken into account by someone who is looking to optimize an outfit's effectiveness.
I've never been in an outfit, but they are a highly recommended part of the experience. As far as I am aware, there is not a limit on the population of an outfit, but the largest one I saw had an active population that was more than 250members.
Jack-of-most-trades, master of one.
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
1106
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Posted - 2015.03.19 21:25:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Mad Syringe wrote:I have pledged for SC over a year ago, but I have never really followed the development closely, since I don't have a rig to play it properly anyway.
What they have done so far, is though a completely different approach than EVE, an absolutley stunning project.
And so far they have delivered more than enough to keep their followers happy.
CCP on the other side, has a sad history of big promises and only mediocre delivery...
Soon tm doesn't cut it for me anymore. If Star Citizen really is pulled off properly and continues with many many years of development, I do believe it will absolutely dominate its competition. There is still a super long way to go for sure but I actually see the progress, actually see the massive player support and actually see regular communication from the developers. CCP - Why on earth can you not take a page out of their book? Instead we get shady secret projects left and right and it seems no one in CCP even has the courage to tell us the straight hard truth.
Many years of development?
Release is stated for next year already and quite honestlz i trust them, when i saw what is state of game.
With dust i cannot tell, its already how many years?
Yup and still not finished.
"Sebiestor Hetzer"
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
1106
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Posted - 2015.03.19 21:27:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Finn Colman wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Finn Colman wrote:
Occasionally, when there are more than 100 players fighting over the same facility, but it generally holds up really well.
Well, that's cool. As far as you know, do you think it is engaging for big communities of players? like more than 300 Sorry, I'm not quite sure what mean. Could you elaborate? I mean, do you think it is a good game if you play with a very large clan/guild?
I know only one game where massiveness was fun and that was MAG.
In dust it can be same, if we will have some proper implementations and fixes instead of "skins only" updates.
"Sebiestor Hetzer"
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7 Djin
The Hundred Acre Hood
61
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Posted - 2015.03.19 21:42:00 -
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Dust has tipped over. |
Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9258
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:02:00 -
[108] - Quote
Boy, the tin-foil in this thread sure got out of hand a lot quicker than I thought.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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steadyhand amarr
shadows of 514
3656
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:09:00 -
[109] - Quote
their not burning **** down yet though, so that's an improvement on last year :P
You can never have to many chaples
-Templar True adamance
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9258
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:26:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:their not burning **** down yet though, so that's an improvement on last year :P
True enough but it'd be absolutely understandable if they did. The whole situation both currently and with last years fanfest revolves around two things:
a) Players want to know that their investment was worthwhile, that they time and effort they put into progressing their character was anything more than just fluff.
b) Players want to genuinely feel as though they're being listened to - maybe not have their ideas implemented - but the fact that they were heard reciprocated.
CCP unfortunately can offer neither of those and there's been very little effort to do so. The small little shinnies here and there for Dust 514 are great and all but in the end that has nothing to do with long-term engagement. It doesn't seem to matter how much the community is concerned with either A or B, CCP Shanghai is more intent on just saying that they're being listened to and pouring their time, effort, and focus into isolated development completely subsidiary of what the community genuinely wants and needs.
What it all comes down to is that the community is worried about things that are unimportant (microtransactions, minor changes) and becoming exhausted. Worrying about the things that are out of their control is causing frustration. Sure, while the community has no control over either, there are things we can do (and have done) to try to influence CCP to be more respectful of that loyalty.
The overall gist is that instead of actually remedying the situation by giving us something - ANYTHING - to either validate our concerns or relieve them, CCP's would rather (seemingly) slap us in the face with "We love listening and hearing that dialogue" and having their name attached to new projects - however minor. It puts off this air of general apathy and the even sadder part is, like some battered wife, we continue to love them for it.
So, yes, it would be entirely understandable for the community to be angry and I'm surprised that CCP hasn't done anything to change that yet. My question is: If Legion got scrapped or never got Greenlit... What incentive would they have to even tell us?
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
5885
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:30:00 -
[111] - Quote
We're using this time on the ground with CCP to try and push agendas. Dennie was given a ticket to the charity dinner with Hilmar tonight. We've all been talking to a lot of players and devs about DUST.
CCP will announce news when they have news ready for sharing, but we're doing our best to nudge it along.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
9259
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:40:00 -
[112] - Quote
Soraya Xel wrote:We're using this time on the ground with CCP to try and push agendas. Dennie was given a ticket to the charity dinner with Hilmar tonight. We've all been talking to a lot of players and devs about DUST.
CCP will announce news when they have news ready for sharing, but we're doing our best to nudge it along.
Oh Jesus, I get so tired of hearing this same rhetoric... Look, Soraya, I appreciate what you guys are trying to do, but I think we're all unanimous in the feeling that that is a losing battle.
CCP will -never- announce that news because they will never be ready. That's the entire lesson we've all learned from this. They refuse to share even good news because they're so terrified they might have to make some kind of commitment to it. Being told, "We'll say something when we're ready" for so long doesn't make anything better it just makes people more frustrated because it circles back to that whole "out of their control" aspect of everything.
We have no control over when CCP is going to be "ready" (if they ever are) so there's no point in constantly reminding us of that fact, its just going to **** us off even more.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
Founder of AIV
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Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
2272
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Posted - 2015.03.19 23:16:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote: Nemesis is, as far as I know, a very small project. It is pretty fun though.
Yeah, I don't know what all the fuss is about. Mobile games aren't exactly hard to develop, especially when this one seems to be reusing assets.
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
2392
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Posted - 2015.03.20 01:10:00 -
[114] - Quote
Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Ah ah ah, i had to log in to share how ROFL i was when reading this.
PROJECT...................................fuckin......................................NEMESIS
AH AH AH AH, that's just amazing. oh god. You brought back a ghost. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 I'm haunting those forums a lot, always lurking around But yeah, that had me materialize instantly lol Why? I thought you dropped this game for good after what you saw 1st hand. I bet you are waiting for PS2 right?
Yeah well, old loves you know how it is. I still keep an eye out for an unlikely but most wanted change of direction..
And yeah waiting for PS2, lurking on the beta a lot. Game has many flaws but is still fun most of the time. And a lot less of a job than dust. Eager to see the game more populated and polished
Farming your likes since 2012
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
2392
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Posted - 2015.03.20 01:11:00 -
[115] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:We're using this time on the ground with CCP to try and push agendas. Dennie was given a ticket to the charity dinner with Hilmar tonight. We've all been talking to a lot of players and devs about DUST.
CCP will announce news when they have news ready for sharing, but we're doing our best to nudge it along. Oh Jesus, I get so tired of hearing this same rhetoric... Look, Soraya, I appreciate what you guys are trying to do, but I think we're all unanimous in the feeling that that is a losing battle. CCP will -never- announce that news because they will never be ready. That's the entire lesson we've all learned from this. They refuse to share even good news because they're so terrified they might have to make some kind of commitment to it. Being told, "We'll say something when we're ready" for so long doesn't make anything better it just makes people more frustrated because it circles back to that whole "out of their control" aspect of everything. We have no control over when CCP is going to be "ready" (if they ever are) so there's no point in constantly reminding us of that fact, its just going to **** us off even more.
QFT
Sadly..
Farming your likes since 2012
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
2392
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Posted - 2015.03.20 01:13:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Finn Colman wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Finn Colman wrote:
Occasionally, when there are more than 100 players fighting over the same facility, but it generally holds up really well.
Well, that's cool. As far as you know, do you think it is engaging for big communities of players? like more than 300 Sorry, I'm not quite sure what mean. Could you elaborate? I mean, do you think it is a good game if you play with a very large clan/guild? I know only one game where massiveness was fun and that was MAG. In dust it can be same, if we will have some proper implementations and fixes instead of "skins only" updates.
Go planetside 2 on ps4 dude. Best MAG feel since the later is gone
Farming your likes since 2012
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ZDub 303
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
3392
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:32:00 -
[117] - Quote
Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Go planetside 2 on ps4 dude. Best MAG feel since the later is gone
Pretty much this... although I play it on PC personally.
PS2 is what Dust dreams it could have been once. Its about a decade ahead of Dust in terms of polish and features. PS2 is pretty much superior in every way.
While CCP has something no one else does with Sov mechanics, the game is so incomplete that it will never matter in the context of Dust. 2-3 devs cannot fix what is wrong with Dust. It needs a complete rebuild on a new platform. While that was the purpose of Project Legion, something tells me that Legion is being reworked into a VR FPS considering CCP's hard-on for VR today.
I would not expect Legion to be worth playing, just like I don't expect Valkyrie to be either. |
da GAND
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
1138
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Posted - 2015.03.20 19:50:00 -
[118] - Quote
Im now convinced that CCP stands for Cant Comprehend Productions, CCP is way too damn small of a company to be able to achieve this. Hilmar needs to go if he thinks that he's gonna be able to keep up all these projects. Legion, EVE and Valk should be enough but I suppose he didn't quite learn that after they had to cancel WOD.
Should Legion be on the ps4?
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French
2396
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:05:00 -
[119] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Go planetside 2 on ps4 dude. Best MAG feel since the later is gone Pretty much this... although I play it on PC personally. PS2 is what Dust dreams it could have been once. Its about a decade ahead of Dust in terms of polish and features. PS2 is pretty much superior in every way. While CCP has something no one else does with Sov mechanics, the game is so incomplete that it will never matter in the context of Dust. 2-3 devs cannot fix what is wrong with Dust. It needs a complete rebuild on a new platform. While that was the purpose of Project Legion, something tells me that Legion is being reworked into a VR FPS considering CCP's hard-on for VR today. I would not expect Legion to be worth playing, just like I don't expect Valkyrie to be either.
Well.. I agree with the technical analysis but PS2 fails where dust manages to shine. Inncreating a universe that is capable of swallowing you, make you feel part of something great. Territories mean nothing in ps and while i absolutely love th+¬ gunplay and gigantic fights it features, itf fails at making you care about the big picture, your faction, your life as a soldier on the BF.
Dust tbh would only need a couple thing to be an amazing game Imo :
Obviously a decent engine with a solid gunfight, aka hit detection, physics etc
A simpler progression that doesnt create such huge gap between vets and New players aka scrub the tier system.
A base game mode that would actually feature a conquest.
Those would an amzing set of things to start with
Farming your likes since 2012
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Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
5850
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:09:00 -
[120] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:While back I made a $10 bet that it would be revealed that CCP Shanghai was working on a new project. Hilariously, I was right, just not to the extent that I thought I was. Introducing: Project Nemesis. A kittening smart phone game.
There was already a thread that stated that this was a free-time project done by a few people the same way EVR was.
Stop rageposting.
I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV
R.I.P. Kesha
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Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:27:00 -
[121] - Quote
Laurent Cazaderon wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Go planetside 2 on ps4 dude. Best MAG feel since the later is gone Pretty much this... although I play it on PC personally. PS2 is what Dust dreams it could have been once. Its about a decade ahead of Dust in terms of polish and features. PS2 is pretty much superior in every way. While CCP has something no one else does with Sov mechanics, the game is so incomplete that it will never matter in the context of Dust. 2-3 devs cannot fix what is wrong with Dust. It needs a complete rebuild on a new platform. While that was the purpose of Project Legion, something tells me that Legion is being reworked into a VR FPS considering CCP's hard-on for VR today. I would not expect Legion to be worth playing, just like I don't expect Valkyrie to be either. Well.. I agree with the technical analysis but PS2 fails where dust manages to shine. Inncreating a universe that is capable of swallowing you, make you feel part of something great. Territories mean nothing in ps and while i absolutely love th+¬ gunplay and gigantic fights it features, itf fails at making you care about the big picture, your faction, your life as a soldier on the BF.
Dust tbh would only need a couple thing to be an amazing game Imo : Obviously a decent engine with a solid gunfight, aka hit detection, physics etc A simpler progression that doesnt create such huge gap between vets and New players aka scrub the tier system. A base game mode that would actually feature a conquest. Those would an amzing set of things to start with
So doesn't dust, unless you pretend to think in FW or PC territory matters( which really doesn't in fw especially) . |
Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
6280
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Posted - 2015.03.21 02:30:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Go planetside 2 on ps4 dude. Best MAG feel since the later is gone Pretty much this... although I play it on PC personally. PS2 is what Dust dreams it could have been once. Its about a decade ahead of Dust in terms of polish and features. PS2 is pretty much superior in every way. While CCP has something no one else does with Sov mechanics, the game is so incomplete that it will never matter in the context of Dust. 2-3 devs cannot fix what is wrong with Dust. It needs a complete rebuild on a new platform. While that was the purpose of Project Legion, something tells me that Legion is being reworked into a VR FPS considering CCP's hard-on for VR today. I would not expect Legion to be worth playing, just like I don't expect Valkyrie to be either. Well.. I agree with the technical analysis but PS2 fails where dust manages to shine. Inncreating a universe that is capable of swallowing you, make you feel part of something great. Territories mean nothing in ps and while i absolutely love th+¬ gunplay and gigantic fights it features, itf fails at making you care about the big picture, your faction, your life as a soldier on the BF. Dust tbh would only need a couple thing to be an amazing game Imo : Obviously a decent engine with a solid gunfight, aka hit detection, physics etc A simpler progression that doesnt create such huge gap between vets and New players aka scrub the tier system. A base game mode that would actually feature a conquest. Those would an amzing set of things to start with
I wish one of the big developers would buy Dust and realize it's potential. |
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