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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.03.10 07:10:00 -
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The only difference between STD, ADV, and PRO HAVs in Hotfix Echo is their fitting capacity and what tier of modules they will be able to fit.
Current HAVs can fit almost entirely Proto modules.
It stands to reason that if PRO HAVs will also be able to fit almost entirely Proto modules, then it would cost as much as current HAVs. STD and ADV should be less expensive.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1839
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:02:00 -
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Stop exaggerating , current HAV's can nowhere near fit almost all PRO mods , even if you want to talk about Cal HAV's like most try to bash because their use to roaming around in their Gal HAV's and smashing like pre 1.7 .
#STOPTHECALHAVHATE
I think they should be a hefty price but so should the DS's and LAV's .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Nos Nothi
4422
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:10:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Stop exaggerating , current HAV's can nowhere near fit almost all PRO mods , even if you want to talk about Cal HAV's like most try to bash because their use to roaming around in their Gal HAV's and smashing like pre 1.7 .
#STOPTHECALHAVHATE
I think they should be a hefty price but so should the DS's and LAV's .
Currently my Gunnlogi is equipped with a Complex Shield Hardener, a Complex Heavy Shield Extender and a Complex Railgun damage mod in the high slots. In the low slots are a Railgun Ammunition module, an Armour Repairer (possibly complex but I think it's an Enhanced light offhand) and a Particle Cannon.
My Madrugar can't fit full proto, even with a CPU mod; it's still great though.
But my Gunnlogi is waaay stronger (assuming my connection holds).
Guys, we need to stop calling MU a 'matchmaker' when it's actually a 'teambuilder'.
And I want to play FE:A now. Damn.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
917
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:21:00 -
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I think what needs to be kept in mind whilst adjusting prices it that the new tanks will have more slots to fill, and fitting more modules, proto or otherwise, by themselves will already increase the price of tanking.
There should be tiered price tages between the levels of tanks, but hopefully a fully fitted proto tank wont cost more than 750K.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5294
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Posted - 2015.03.10 17:34:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Stop exaggerating , current HAV's can nowhere near fit almost all PRO mods , even if you want to talk about Cal HAV's like most try to bash because their use to roaming around in their Gal HAV's and smashing like pre 1.7 .
#STOPTHECALHAVHATE
I think they should be a hefty price but so should the DS's and LAV's .
What are you even talking about? My Gunnlogi fits are indeed mostly Proto (Madrugar obviously has fittings problems so I'm not using that as a baseline). Stop the Cal HAV hate? I'm using it as a baseline, how does that constitute me hating on them?
My point is that if my general strength between a current HAV and a Proto HAV in Echo is the same, the price should be the same. Do you find this to be problematic or would you prefer to get the same benefit for a higher cost?
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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LudiKure ninda
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
231
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:25:00 -
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A fully fited PRO tank should cost around 1 mill isk in my opinion,..and MLT should be at least 150k.
( -í° -£-û -í°)
Send your isk here!
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5298
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:27:00 -
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LudiKure ninda wrote:A fully fited PRO tank should cost around 1 mill isk in my opinion,..and MLT should be at least 150k.
Bear in mind that more modules will have to be fit, so even if the hulls remain the same for Pr oto, the cost will actually go up. I dont mind a slight price increase, but the point im trying to make is that Proto hulls should be of a similar price to existing hulls, since STD and ADV hulls will be more restrictive than existing hulls.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
4108
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:45:00 -
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LudiKure ninda wrote:A fully fited PRO tank should cost around 1 mill isk in my opinion,..and MLT should be at least 150k.
But that requires to vehicle to be actually good to use and have an impact on the game.
Right now the EHP will be roughly the same as we have now so i'm paying more for what we already have.
Surya at 1.2mil for the hull, now that was a tank and still compared to todays vehicles it would wipe the floor with them.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
3053
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:08:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:A fully fited PRO tank should cost around 1 mill isk in my opinion,..and MLT should be at least 150k. Bear in mind that more modules will have to be fit, so even if the hulls remain the same for Pr oto, the cost will actually go up. I dont mind a slight price increase, but the point im trying to make is that Proto hulls should be of a similar price to existing hulls, since STD and ADV hulls will be more restrictive than existing hulls.
Of course you don't mind a price increase, you don't use tanks.
Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5300
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:13:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:A fully fited PRO tank should cost around 1 mill isk in my opinion,..and MLT should be at least 150k. Bear in mind that more modules will have to be fit, so even if the hulls remain the same for Pr oto, the cost will actually go up. I dont mind a slight price increase, but the point im trying to make is that Proto hulls should be of a similar price to existing hulls, since STD and ADV hulls will be more restrictive than existing hulls. Of course you don't mind a price increase, you don't use tanks.
Shhhh child, don't hurt yourself trying to speak too much. You already tried to insist I don't play the game and I kindly placed your foot in your mouth for that one, so stop trying so hard to be tough and just give it up.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17548
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:20:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Stop exaggerating , current HAV's can nowhere near fit almost all PRO mods , even if you want to talk about Cal HAV's like most try to bash because their use to roaming around in their Gal HAV's and smashing like pre 1.7 .
#STOPTHECALHAVHATE
I think they should be a hefty price but so should the DS's and LAV's .
My Gunnlogi can.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Nos Nothi
4427
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Posted - 2015.03.11 01:09:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:A fully fited PRO tank should cost around 1 mill isk in my opinion,..and MLT should be at least 150k. Bear in mind that more modules will have to be fit, so even if the hulls remain the same for Pr oto, the cost will actually go up. I dont mind a slight price increase, but the point im trying to make is that Proto hulls should be of a similar price to existing hulls, since STD and ADV hulls will be more restrictive than existing hulls. Of course you don't mind a price increase, you don't use tanks.
wow, did you even read what he said?
jesus, and you wonder why tankers have a bad reputation.
Guys, we need to stop calling MU a 'matchmaker' when it's actually a 'teambuilder'.
And I want to play FE:A now. Damn.
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Racro 01 Arifistan
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
512
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Posted - 2015.03.11 01:15:00 -
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give me back my 2.6mill isk Surya+ fitting and change how tanbks operated pre chromosome (looking at you active armour reps that were awesome) and I swear not to complain about hav vs av again.
by give back I mean its original stats/skills...everything from chromosome.
Elite Gallenten Soldier
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17566
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Posted - 2015.03.11 01:23:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:A fully fited PRO tank should cost around 1 mill isk in my opinion,..and MLT should be at least 150k. Bear in mind that more modules will have to be fit, so even if the hulls remain the same for Pr oto, the cost will actually go up. I dont mind a slight price increase, but the point im trying to make is that Proto hulls should be of a similar price to existing hulls, since STD and ADV hulls will be more restrictive than existing hulls. Of course you don't mind a price increase, you don't use tanks. wow, did you even read what he said? jesus, and you wonder why tankers have a bad reputation.
Y'know awkwardly Spkr did admit a couple of weeks back that even he doesn't/didn't use tanks.....
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5310
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Posted - 2015.03.11 01:25:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:A fully fited PRO tank should cost around 1 mill isk in my opinion,..and MLT should be at least 150k. Bear in mind that more modules will have to be fit, so even if the hulls remain the same for Pr oto, the cost will actually go up. I dont mind a slight price increase, but the point im trying to make is that Proto hulls should be of a similar price to existing hulls, since STD and ADV hulls will be more restrictive than existing hulls. Of course you don't mind a price increase, you don't use tanks. wow, did you even read what he said? jesus, and you wonder why tankers have a bad reputation.
To make it worse he is probably the most extreme example of the biased tanker, and insists that basically anyone more moderate than him doesn't pilot tanks. It's pretty much his go to response to anything that he doesn't agree with. Hell he's even agreed with me in the past but insisted I'm still wrong. It's totes adorbs.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17566
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Posted - 2015.03.11 01:41:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:A fully fited PRO tank should cost around 1 mill isk in my opinion,..and MLT should be at least 150k. Bear in mind that more modules will have to be fit, so even if the hulls remain the same for Pr oto, the cost will actually go up. I dont mind a slight price increase, but the point im trying to make is that Proto hulls should be of a similar price to existing hulls, since STD and ADV hulls will be more restrictive than existing hulls. Of course you don't mind a price increase, you don't use tanks. wow, did you even read what he said? jesus, and you wonder why tankers have a bad reputation. To make it worse he is probably the most extreme example of the biased tanker, and insists that basically anyone more moderate than him doesn't pilot tanks. It's pretty much his go to response to anything that he doesn't agree with. Hell he's even agreed with me in the past but insisted I'm still wrong. It's totes adorbs.
Read Sign NOW!
"Hell he's even agreed with me in the past but insisted I'm still wrong. It's totes adorbs." Pokey Dravon on Spkr4thDead
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
18315
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Posted - 2015.03.11 01:59:00 -
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Because I still worry about balance of the prototype HAVs, and want them to be consciously committed to battle, not thrown around like candy, we are pricing them at
STD/ADV/PRO @ 97,500/195,000/682,500 ISK for all HAV tiers
This is below what some tankers felt was right, and above what some tankers felt was right. The CPM was also consulted.
It is also a much lower increase per tier than f.ex. specialized dropsuits.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
1382
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Posted - 2015.03.11 02:04:00 -
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Agree.
Please support fair play!
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
8374
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Posted - 2015.03.11 03:07:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Because I still worry about balance of the prototype HAVs, and want them to be consciously committed to battle, not thrown around like candy, we are pricing them at
STD/ADV/PRO @ 97,500/195,000/682,500 ISK for all HAV tiers
This is below what some tankers felt was right, and above what some tankers felt was right. The CPM was also consulted.
It is also a much lower increase per tier than f.ex. specialized dropsuits.
Looks good.
Besides, you can always adjust price if you need to.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
3055
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Posted - 2015.03.11 03:15:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:A fully fited PRO tank should cost around 1 mill isk in my opinion,..and MLT should be at least 150k. Bear in mind that more modules will have to be fit, so even if the hulls remain the same for Pr oto, the cost will actually go up. I dont mind a slight price increase, but the point im trying to make is that Proto hulls should be of a similar price to existing hulls, since STD and ADV hulls will be more restrictive than existing hulls. Of course you don't mind a price increase, you don't use tanks. Shhhh child, don't hurt yourself trying to speak too much. You already tried to insist I don't play the game and I kindly placed your foot in your mouth for that one, so stop trying so hard to be tough and just give it up.
Playing 2 days out of the last 2 months =/= playing 53 days straight.
Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5313
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Posted - 2015.03.11 03:18:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
Playing 2 days out of the last 2 months =/= playing 53 days straight.
Come again?
Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. As usual.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5313
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Posted - 2015.03.11 03:23:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Because I still worry about balance of the prototype HAVs, and want them to be consciously committed to battle, not thrown around like candy, we are pricing them at
STD/ADV/PRO @ 97,500/195,000/682,500 ISK for all HAV tiers
This is below what some tankers felt was right, and above what some tankers felt was right. The CPM was also consulted.
It is also a much lower increase per tier than f.ex. specialized dropsuits.
That's a rather interesting progression of cost....hmmm well we'll see how it goes I suppose. Thanks for the info.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17572
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Posted - 2015.03.11 03:59:00 -
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Costings look good, I like the idea that my tanks might be worth a million ISK again forcing me to do better in matches to not run ISK negative.
Hopefully I get to see UHAV as well to compare roles and costings. I do some love my Heavy Tanks.
"Hell he's even agreed with me in the past but insisted I'm still wrong. It's totes adorbs." Pokey Dravon on Spkr4thDead
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
7617
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Posted - 2015.03.11 05:17:00 -
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And here I was worried proto HAVs would cost a mil per hull.
Glad I was wrong.
AV
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
375
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Posted - 2015.03.11 06:37:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Because I still worry about balance of the prototype HAVs, and want them to be consciously committed to battle, not thrown around like candy, we are pricing them at
STD/ADV/PRO @ 97,500/195,000/682,500 ISK for all HAV tiers
This is below what some tankers felt was right, and above what some tankers felt was right. The CPM was also consulted.
It is also a much lower increase per tier than f.ex. specialized dropsuits.
Really? 682k for a proto hull? Adv is the best hull, slightly less recources, much less price.
Molestia approved
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
18332
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Posted - 2015.03.11 07:13:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Because I still worry about balance of the prototype HAVs, and want them to be consciously committed to battle, not thrown around like candy, we are pricing them at
STD/ADV/PRO @ 97,500/195,000/682,500 ISK for all HAV tiers
This is below what some tankers felt was right, and above what some tankers felt was right. The CPM was also consulted.
It is also a much lower increase per tier than f.ex. specialized dropsuits.
Really? 682k for a proto hull? Adv is the best hull, slightly less recources, much less price.
That's the point really of the whole DUST 514 philosophy, proto is incrementally better, much more expensive
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
375
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Posted - 2015.03.11 07:15:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:duster 35000 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Because I still worry about balance of the prototype HAVs, and want them to be consciously committed to battle, not thrown around like candy, we are pricing them at
STD/ADV/PRO @ 97,500/195,000/682,500 ISK for all HAV tiers
This is below what some tankers felt was right, and above what some tankers felt was right. The CPM was also consulted.
It is also a much lower increase per tier than f.ex. specialized dropsuits.
Really? 682k for a proto hull? Adv is the best hull, slightly less recources, much less price. That's the point really of the whole DUST 514 philosophy, proto is incrementally better, much more expensive
But that's kind of too expensive.
IMO, 350k or 400k would have been better.
Eh, I'll still use it, but the price feels like 1.6 Uprising.
Molestia approved
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5315
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Posted - 2015.03.11 07:28:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:duster 35000 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Because I still worry about balance of the prototype HAVs, and want them to be consciously committed to battle, not thrown around like candy, we are pricing them at
STD/ADV/PRO @ 97,500/195,000/682,500 ISK for all HAV tiers
This is below what some tankers felt was right, and above what some tankers felt was right. The CPM was also consulted.
It is also a much lower increase per tier than f.ex. specialized dropsuits.
Really? 682k for a proto hull? Adv is the best hull, slightly less recources, much less price. That's the point really of the whole DUST 514 philosophy, proto is incrementally better, much more expensive But that's kind of too expensive. IMO, 350k or 400k would have been better. Eh, I'll still use it, but the price feels like 1.6 Uprising.
To be fair in this case, the Proto hull is 350% the price of a an Advanced hull. Incidentally, Proto dropsuits are 400% the price of Advanced dropsuits.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
375
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Posted - 2015.03.11 07:37:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:duster 35000 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:duster 35000 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Because I still worry about balance of the prototype HAVs, and want them to be consciously committed to battle, not thrown around like candy, we are pricing them at
STD/ADV/PRO @ 97,500/195,000/682,500 ISK for all HAV tiers
This is below what some tankers felt was right, and above what some tankers felt was right. The CPM was also consulted.
It is also a much lower increase per tier than f.ex. specialized dropsuits.
Really? 682k for a proto hull? Adv is the best hull, slightly less recources, much less price. That's the point really of the whole DUST 514 philosophy, proto is incrementally better, much more expensive But that's kind of too expensive. IMO, 350k or 400k would have been better. Eh, I'll still use it, but the price feels like 1.6 Uprising. To be fair in this case, the Proto hull is 350% the price of a an Advanced hull. Incidentally, Proto dropsuits are 400% the price of Advanced dropsuits.
And? 1 mil for a tank...while we still get small payouts.
Molestia approved
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Nos Nothi
4433
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Posted - 2015.03.11 07:58:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:To be fair in this case, the Proto hull is 350% the price of a an Advanced hull. Incidentally, Proto dropsuits are 400% the price of Advanced dropsuits. And? 1 mil for a tank...while we still get small payouts.
Don't die.
I am of the opinion that the price is pretty reasonable.
That'd come to about 900k for a full fitting, yeah? 1.1M for full proto inc smalls?
Guys, we need to stop calling MU a 'matchmaker' when it's actually a 'teambuilder'.
And I want to play FE:A now. Damn.
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