Here's some more of that Merry-Go-Around swarms stuff:

http://youtu.be/BfASA6d9ubg

When your drop suit costs that much and can die in the same time even behind cover, come back with a little bit of thought.

so by that logic if my suit cost a third of what ur ship does u should be able to hang around just long enuff to kill two or three infantry then die or run away. correct?

Oh rly now?

Chaff would solve everyone's problems.

I've been calling for something like that for both ADS and Tanks for a long time. Reactive countermeasures. The swarms have always been a joke and thats why I have never spent any more SP into them. A Noob weapon through and through.

PLC = Have to aim and lead to get good shots on target.

Forge - Have to aim and to a much lesser extent lead targets while watching your fat ass being picked off by others as you stand out like a sore thumb in your heavy suit.

Swarms - Lock fire and forget, rinse repeat.....95% of the time.

I actually keep forgetting that supply depots don't rep you anymore. I'm not saying anything is wrong with supply depots, just pointing out that supply depots are hell zones for vehicles because AV can pop in and out cheap fits and strong AV. It was just a note on a mechanic said in frustration, but still valid.

No, but... A swarm launcher requires no skill so it should have no reward.

I think the ability to change suits at supply depots should be eliminated. It would have stopped equipment spam, stopped the new suit technique, fix the real problem with swarms, which is that a team can go from no AV to six AV to no AV in seconds. People should have to make choices and then play with those choices.

Very well said.

When your drop suit costs that much and can die in the same time even behind cover, come back with a little bit of thought.

I think a lot of the vehicle guys have the wrong impression, that the AV dude is shooting the swarms in the same direction all the time....

I run swarms a lot, and if I see you trying to get behind cover, I move my ass as fast as I can to avoid that obstacle. This means, the obstacle that seemed to be betwheen me and you for the first volley, might not be in the way for the third, since I moved, and aim for different initial trajectory with the others...

The Tank in the vid, moved past the zylinder for example, which makes it possible with a changed trajectory to get him in this spot... depending on the position of the swarmer...

Swarms aren't always coming from the same direction, since an experienced swarmer will be able to boomerang his volleys around obstacles if the initial trajectory is adjusted right. I often see tanks run around and past obstacles, if they had stayed behind the obstacle they would have survived, but since they move past it, they often give me an opportunity to hit them again...

In general, proto swarms are balanced against proto shield vehicles. If you remember the waves of opportunity idea that CCP follows right now. Armor vehicles not so much, so if we change anything, it must be an armour vehicle buff, and nothing else...

All in all, the Vehicle overhaul and the new types will change too much to change anything right now, we have to wait what these changes bring, there might be even a need to buff AV again... we will see...

BTW, i would like to see the BR MD have 100% damage against vehicles... and please bring the two anti shield heavy weapons...

Come on OP anyone with something between the ears knows by now that swarms go around cover.

It is the ones that ignore it which are the problem.

so its skill vs reward now?
i thought it was risk vs reward.
how many times do u think commandos get insta gibbed by shotty scouts while trying to get a lock?
im basically a squishy blind heavy with 1 light weapon and no nades.

dont get me wrong i fly too, i get it, swarms seem balanced to shield vehicles with makes them wreck armour.
but all av is that way... even vehicle turrets. theres a bigger issue here than "omg swarms are op"

No, but... A swarm launcher requires no skill so it should have no reward.

Atiim, let's get in a match, I'll call you an Incubus, and see how far you get. Then let me borrow your swarms, and I'll top the leader board with pi+¦ata points.

GroundlikkersGǪallaya's ;)

Very well said.

The first volley hit you before you turned the corner and I can tell the second volley was already very close to you by the time between the volleys; so this doesn't prove anything other than the fact that Swarms very close to you are going to hit you.

However, if you'd truly to see if Swarms can travel around buildings, fire a volley at a DS and have that DS immediately travel behind the building. If they volleys still hit, than your point will be proven


Vehicles require no skill either, all that needs to be done to survive is activate 1-2 modules and then drive off before the modules expire and I'll never lose to an AVer, or any vehicle who doesn't do the same.

Couple that with the fact that the need to compensate for target movement is rarely present and the fact that any situation deemed unfavorable can be evaded in seconds, and you've got a nice heaping pile of EZ.

3. I'd rather lick the ground than prance around while not contributing to the team in any way, shape, or form.