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Atiim
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Posted - 2015.02.27 23:40:00 -
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The first volley hit you before you turned the corner and I can tell the second volley was already very close to you by the time between the volleys; so this doesn't prove anything other than the fact that Swarms very close to you are going to hit you.
However, if you'd truly to see if Swarms can travel around buildings, fire a volley at a DS and have that DS immediately travel behind the building. If they volleys still hit, than your point will be proven
Sir Dukey wrote:
No, but... A swarm launcher requires no skill so it should have no reward.
Vehicles require no skill either, all that needs to be done to survive is activate 1-2 modules and then drive off before the modules expire and I'll never lose to an AVer, or any vehicle who doesn't do the same.
Couple that with the fact that the need to compensate for target movement is rarely present and the fact that any situation deemed unfavorable can be evaded in seconds, and you've got a nice heaping pile of EZ.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2015.02.28 01:09:00 -
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Bremen van Equis wrote:
Atiim, let's get in a match, I'll call you an Incubus, and see how far you get. Then let me borrow your swarms, and I'll top the leader board with pi+¦ata points.
GroundlikkersGǪallaya's ;)
1. I can use my own vehicles, I don't need yours.
2. Why am I using Armor Vehicles when I know you're bringing swarms? That's like rushing head-first into an Amarr Assault with a Caldari Logi. I know most Pilots in this game aren't that smart but surely you've retained some form of intelligence,
3. I'd rather lick the ground than prance around while not contributing to the team in any way, shape, or form.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2015.02.28 02:58:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
lol, that explains why 80% of dust players can't fly a dropship.. Seriously if you think swarms take still, you probably think unconsciously breathing takes skill.
There are a lot of people who don't know how to ride a bike, read in their native language, use/apply basic math, or even prepare a sandwich. That does not change the fact that all of those skills are incredibly basic and easily accomplished.
Though I am interested to see your stats proving that 80% of players can't operate a Dropship.
As for whether or not Swarms take still, I'm not sure how one can assess "still" and its perquisites but I'm going to claim that it doesn't take "still" because remaining stationary with a Swarm will only kill vehicles without operators.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:33:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
Riding a bike takes more skill than swarms. Swarms you hold R1 and release. A freking brain dead person can do that and say it's easy. And then there is you.... lol.
Edit: A brain dead person can also jerk around the left joy stick and say it's easy. And then again, there is you...
Reading in your native language also takes more skill than piloting. All you have to is hold down R2 and flick the joystick up to activate the modules.
My dog can do that, but can you?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:44:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
lol, no wonder majority (not saying 80% because Atiim takes everything literally) of the player in this game cannot pilot.
Also, Afterburners are sh*t and don't work.
flying on a 3D plane is much harder than walking around on a 2D plane.
The majority of players in this game cannot operate vehicles properly because said majority is terrible, and flying on a 3D plane is easy because you can move in any direction you want with a very limited set of obstacles.
Meanwhile on the 2D plane your movement has to comply with a vast amount of obstacles and other differences in the terrain (ie, Hills) which have a host of glitches that can easily get you killed.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:57:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
Well, how do you explain that a majority of the population (According to you which is also terrible) can operate swarms with ease and hit my ADS?
Seriously, you think being on a 2D plane is harder than a 3D plane. That's like saying it's easier to use a jetpack than walk (excluding the disabled).
Swarm Launcher remains the 4th least used primary weapon (20k sales per day on average, which also makes it less used than most sidearms), so the majority of the population are not operating Swarm Launchers.
Movement on the 3D plane in real life is not movement on the plane in a video game, which makes your comparison invalid. However as far as DUST 514 is concerned I stand by my earlier assertion.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2015.02.28 18:54:00 -
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Bremen van Equis wrote:Atiim wrote:
3. I'd rather lick the ground than prance around while not contributing to the team in any way, shape, or form.
So you agree vehicles are broken. Thanks dude.
So you agree that Pilots are broken? Because that's exactly what the post implicated.
Vehicles are capable of supporting the team in a number of ways, be it scans, spawns, transport, destroying targets of interest, protection from small-arms fire, etc. However most Pilots choose not do any of actions and ignore the needs for any of these actions in objective based game-modes.
It's like one of those Logis who keep their Repair Tool on a Sentinel despite there being no enemies in the vicinity and an entire squad's worth of players requesting a revive. While their stats are increasing they're doing almost nothing to assist the team as a collective.
DUST Fiend wrote:I reeeaaallllyyy wanna see footage of attim flying
Pay me 200mil ISK and I'll gladly to squad up with you where you can record me flying in a Dropship.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2015.02.28 19:32:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Atiim wrote:
Swarm Launcher remains the 4th least used primary weapon (20k sales per day on average, which also makes it less used than most sidearms), so the majority of the population are not operating Swarm Launchers.
Yet it still sells more than the forge gun. 20,000 pieces compared to 17,000. And it obviously outsells the PLC, making it the most used AV weapon.
The ratio of Dropsuits that can use the SL compared to those that can use the FG is 5:1, so unless Sentinels outnumber all other Dropsuit users by 500% their sales will and should remain higher.
However, this fails to disprove the assertion claiming that SLs are not "used by the majority of the population".
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Atiim
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Posted - 2015.02.28 19:55:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Atiim wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Atiim wrote:
Swarm Launcher remains the 4th least used primary weapon (20k sales per day on average, which also makes it less used than most sidearms), so the majority of the population are not operating Swarm Launchers.
Yet it still sells more than the forge gun. 20,000 pieces compared to 17,000. And it obviously outsells the PLC, making it the most used AV weapon. The ratio of Dropsuits that can use the SL compared to those that can use the FG is 5:1, so unless Sentinels outnumber all other Dropsuit users by 500% their sales will and should remain higher. However, this fails to disprove the assertion claiming that SLs are not "used by the majority of the population". Why does it not? It is used by the majority of the AV community, maybe not the majority of the population, but that's because not everyone does AV. Swarms are the most effective AV because of two reasons: relative ease of use (compared to the others) and the fact that it can go on any suit. That's why it's the top seller. now, market data is only good for speculation, because it in no way shows what kills the most. Only CCP can provide that data.
Sir Dukey claimed that Swarm Launchers were used by the majority of the population, at which point I provided actual data proving otherwise. Your reply/argument failed to provide any evidence which proved that Swarm Launchers are used by the majority of the population, and in an ironic twist you even admitted that I was correct.
Perceived ease of use has little to do with the Swarm's popularity, as in the previous V/AV environment (1.7 - HFB) FGs outsold SLs dispute the fact that difficulty of operating either weapons have not changed. The argument in our discussion involved usage, not efficiency which makes market data the only relevant stat in this situation.
If you would like to make arguments about SL efficiency vs other AV weapon efficiency, I'd be happy to.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2015.02.28 20:54:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I like how in Attim's world, when one weapon is used more than another, it isn't in the majority.
Fascinating.
Plasma Cannons are used more than Ion Pistols, does that put them in the majority?
No, it doesn't.
Bremen van Equis wrote:We ADS pilots understandGǪyou're just jealous of our hard-earned tech and long-trained skills . You just wanna break what you know you'll never achieve.
Indeed, I am simply jealous of the hard earned skills, ships, and weaponry that ADS Pilots invested long periods of time to acquire, and that my only motive behind arguing against them is to break their morale to compensate for the fact that I will never have the ability to operate one myself.
You are completely correct, there couldn't possibly be any other explanation as to why I partake in the refutation of assertions made by pilots and I definitely don't know how to use an ADS: never have and never will.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2015.02.28 21:05:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Atiim wrote:Plasma Cannons are used more than Ion Pistols, does that put them in the majority?
No, it doesn't.
Just checked, Ion Pistols sell 2000 more pieces 
*Commits Seppuku*
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