please show me where CCP said DUST was a slow tactical shooter?

Copyied and pasted straight from DUST home page

DUST514 is a First Person Shooter (FPS) and strategy experience set within the EVE universe. The primary gameplay features brutal ground combat that takes place on the surface of planets, delivering the visceral, adrenaline-fueled experience of futuristic firefights. Developed for the current generation of consoles, DUST514 will be equal parts battlefield reflexes and strategic planning, allowing commanders and ground infantry to work together, utilizing the real time configurable modular weapons and vehicles at their disposal to adapt to and control dynamic battlefield conditions.


link :http://www.ccpgames.com/en/products/dust-514.aspx

Term strategic is basicly tactical if English is not primary launagage

Not really, 'strategy' in this context is at a higher level, like a general or a Corp CEO in EVE who hires mercs to take over a planet. As in 'Goonswarms strategy is to take over all of the planets in X sector',whereas the term 'tactical' refers to unit(platoon level or squad level in this case) techniques to overcome an enemy.

Going to show me otherwise? Or are you going to tell me about how the trailer showed different gameplay from the actual gameplay. Or you going to tell me that slow gameplay makes you feel closer to your corp again?

Also, try this again but make sense.

This is a hot issue.

I thought I would add my two cents. After playing dust for the past two weeks I am disappointed in the close range mechanics. The way the game registers hits is the main reason. Its annyoing to see the person you are shooting showing their shields are being hit, only to find after shooting a whole mag they have no damage recorded. Once this is fixed I recon it should improve the way close range fights should pan out. By the look of the above posts Protoman and Mud have figured out were to aim to record hits while spinning around and from what I have seen it is not centre of seen mass which suggests lag. If Protoman and Mud want to defend the current build and say its skill, yes it is skill to figure out the bug and where to aim. which wont change when they fix the hit registration or whatever they call it. All it will do is even the playing field for other players who are not aware of the current short comings. I really dont see what they are scared of there.

I dont think the straffing and moving should be changed, If someone started shooting at me I would not stand still. However the one thing I do have a problem with is jumping. Jumping around like a rabbit while someone shoots at you looks stupid and if someone showed me that and said thats DUST's game play I would not consider playing the game. jumping around in circles to avoid hits is a silly game mechanic that does not reflect what I imagine futuristic combat. I will be disapointed if it remains in the game.

In real life (yes I am going there) I can jump around 1 meter off the ground and I have seen some guys who train in crossfit can jump about shoulder height. The main difference between this game and real life is that for a real human to jump they must squat down to get the power to jump. IF they changed the jump mechanic to being one in which say the longer you held the button the higher you jump then it would be more realistic and that delay would make 'Bunny Hopping' an unviable tactic. If these guys are super soldiers of the future why cant they jump high just not instant jumping. People are complaining about scout and assault not having an advatange over the heavy. Well why not make it so when charged up a scout could jump several meters clearing obsticals that a heavy cannot cross and move out of danger, only risk is you are vunerable for a second while you squat down to make the jump.

This is a hot issue.

I thought I would add my two cents. After playing dust for the past two weeks I am disappointed in the close range mechanics. The way the game registers hits is the main reason. Its annyoing to see the person you are shooting showing their shields are being hit, only to find after shooting a whole mag they have no damage recorded. Once this is fixed I recon it should improve the way close range fights should pan out. By the look of the above posts Protoman and Mud have figured out were to aim to record hits while spinning around and from what I have seen it is not centre of seen mass which suggests lag. If Protoman and Mud want to defend the current build and say its skill, yes it is skill to figure out the bug and where to aim. which wont change when they fix the hit registration or whatever they call it. All it will do is even the playing field for other players who are not aware of the current short comings. I really dont see what they are scared of there.

I dont think the straffing and moving should be changed, If someone started shooting at me I would not stand still. However the one thing I do have a problem with is jumping. Jumping around like a rabbit while someone shoots at you looks stupid and if someone showed me that and said thats DUST's game play I would not consider playing the game. jumping around in circles to avoid hits is a silly game mechanic that does not reflect what I imagine futuristic combat. I will be disapointed if it remains in the game.

In real life (yes I am going there) I can jump around 1 meter off the ground and I have seen some guys who train in crossfit can jump about shoulder height. The main difference between this game and real life is that for a real human to jump they must squat down to get the power to jump. IF they changed the jump mechanic to being one in which say the longer you held the button the higher you jump then it would be more realistic and that delay would make 'Bunny Hopping' an unviable tactic. If these guys are super soldiers of the future why cant they jump high just not instant jumping. People are complaining about scout and assault not having an advatange over the heavy. Well why not make it so when charged up a scout could jump several meters clearing obsticals that a heavy cannot cross and move out of danger, only risk is you are vunerable for a second while you squat down to make the jump.

I am sure i made various points about the advantages of changing straffing mechanics, wont say it all again, read all the threads about it on the forum, plus previous posts.

Its not you I have to convince, as its impossible, same way you wont convince me or others with different points of view, thus its pointless to argue with you wich is clearly a troll.

As the game stands now I wont be investing any time to it. I have played and found myself hating the straffing and constant dancing with guns.

I would like to see a cover system in place to allow for more tactics to be involved instead what we have is rush a position and dance around shooting wildly at the other person till one of you ends up dead.

I do not find that fun. Its one reason I play the sniper in this game due to the rubbish way in which close combat is dealt with. And also why I use the Swarm Launcher in close combat.

As for when the game is released I wont be playing due to the straffing involved. I would prefer a tactical shooter which Dust is not.

lolcover system.

You use the swarm launcher because you can't aim.

lolcover system.

You use the swarm launcher because you can't aim.

... High jumps for scouts and jump building momentum seems like a nice idea to be played with...

Now we're getting somewhere! This thread should have been about Future Movement from the beginning.

Gameplay is important, and CCP is clearly trying to make a very run&gun, fast-paced shooter that appeals to twitchy players. However, the current circle-jerk doesn't feel like future, super-soldier movement; it feels like Halo. DUST should be DUST.

I want Protoman and Mud to be able to pwn entire squads... if, IF, they are really the elite, speed-tanked, movement-focused super-soldiers of the future. But NOT in Militia gear!

I've felt the fear of an approaching Scout dropsuit, realizing that it was far more dangerous close-up than the other assault and heavy dropsuits it was with. That is an awesome feeling. I wouldn't give that up for anything. The Scout should totally be able to jump 10 feet straight up and cross 20 foot gaps. That is a realistic (and fun) game mechanic.

The squatting idea is a bit of a problem, though. I dabble in parkour, and you do not, I repeat NOT, squat before a big jump. Instead, you transform really fast forward momentum into upward momentum. In reality, jumping far would not make you more vulnerable, but it WOULD make it impossible to reload, or even fire, while doing so.

Done right, this game mechanic could be awesome, for both attackers and defenders.

Yeah I've read through them all, I posted some of my favorite "reasons" in the other thread about strafing. They're honestly hilarious, and as I said, they all come down to "I don't like it, change it."

Like I said, why adapt when you can cry. That's all this comes down to. And if CCP gives in and pleases the QQers, this game has no chance, I've been down that road.

I notice strange talk of slow tactical shooters. Why not fast tactical shooters?

Is someone going to actually try and claim that moving fast means there are no tactics? Now that would be a facepalm moment.

Having a class that can move fast is nice. Having a game not be slow is nice. Having a game where people have shields and require sustained damage is nice.

You almost need to have people be able to move around and get behind terrain and strafe around when there are shields involved.

The QQing against bunny hopping is ridiculous

scouts have 2 jumps
everybody else has 1

People aren't constantly jumping around the map. Most of the complaints are hyperbole.

The QQing against bunny hopping is ridiculous

scouts have 2 jumps
everybody else has 1

People aren't constantly jumping around the map. Most of the complaints are hyperbole.

Between this, the skilling system, the fitting system and the (god I hope so) effect DUST will have on sov space ... this game is NOTHING like any other shooter.

I agree with Protoman; the last damned thing we need to do is lower the bar and water it down so that it's just like every other shooter out there...

Speed and mobility have to mean something, or we may as well all roll heavies.

Mud you say the nerf straffing side didnt bring up any valid point but over this tread alone ive seen many valid pointson boths sides most coming from the nerf side mind you but i rarly seen you have a reply that does not resort to saying they can play it you will find alot of them can and just dont like it so get over your self your big bad strafing skill is easyier to master than you think.

This game may stand a chance of living for a long time if the CQC strafing is fixed and a better depth to the movment is included as is right but if the game stays as it is the vast majority of FPS players will get sick of players using this tactic as i and many other people in DUST now would therefore it will never get a following other than yourself and a few others that enjoy your playstyle.

Ultimatly what we want is for DUST to be a great game if a movment system like BC2 for example is introduced then it will be like look at it so far it rewarding feeling to complete objectives or to take over spawn points so far the only let down is that the straffing lets the side down if the game is left as it is it will not be a popular as it has the potential of being.

The same thing can be said of you"i like it, do not change".

anyway, this game is in the beta, where this changes must be evaluated and is the right moment to do it while the devs are still seeking the best balance.

I agree if i can't use the speed of a scout suit to out maneuver a heavy and possibly take him down by speed tanking what is the point to this? I can hop in a dramiel to bring down a rokh but can't do the same approach when using a scout suit? Why would I want that kind of universe... where there are only big tanks killing mice running around. Why scout? learn to hit me when I am moving around or die. I don't care but don't kill my strafing and maybe give me new ways to outmaneuver people. I don't mind doing flips over peoples heads while firing an SMG on full auto to take a turret thats raining death on my allies.

I notice strange talk of slow tactical shooters. Why not fast tactical shooters?

Is someone going to actually try and claim that moving fast means there are no tactics? Now that would be a facepalm moment.

Mud i do speak for the vast majority of FPS PS3 players becuase iam one of them i was a PS3 player playing the first resistance since then i have played damn near every main stream PS3 FPS that made it i even played unreal tourny and it failed and thats the closest thing to this PS3 has had games the most popular game on the market right now is COD and battlefield both of which did not have strafing like this.

PS we go back to eve iam sure there will be alot of bitter players at the disapoint ment who will use there Dust character to designate there team base and well TEAM kill quite literaly

I wont but ive played eve long enough to know there are people like that out there, plus who is going to trust eve resorcese to players who are strafing like rocket propelled trollies with a gun attached.