+1 to this post all these people strafing an circling an talking about it shouldnt be a ADS all 1st person shooters need to be that way you shouldnt be able to circle your oppenent spraying off the hip an kill them 1 because of the hip is suppose to be less accurate 2 your not aiming this is not halo so unless your jumping off a cliff or something you shouldnt be able to just jump an shoot because you say you want a realstic shooting game well real life you dont see people jumping an strafing or circling they kinda ADS most of there targets lol so i support fixing it they need to nerf it again if they already did

yea, it's not halo, but they should take so,me notes from the game play halo 2-3 used. those were extremely popular games because of how fast paced, and arena styled they were. halo reach dumbed that down, and now look it, it has a hard time of touching 100k players at any one time, while back in the days of halo 3, it usually stayed around 300- 500K at any one time.


There are a lot of halo players that i know who are actually looking forward to this game because of how fast it is, if you slow it down, you'll be lose a lot of potential buyers


making every game realistic is a bad idea, because at some point you wont be able to tell what game you're playing because they'll all play the same.

if you put in too much realism, you'll ruin the game.

Gameplay > realism.

game play > realism. That said, i disagree with the OP.

[quote=lycan329 MUT]There are a lot of halo players that i know who are actually looking forward to this game because of how fast it is, if you slow it down, you'll be lose a lot of potential buyers


making every game realistic is a bad idea, because at some point you wont be able to tell what game you're playing because they'll all play the same.

if you put in too much realism, you'll ruin the game.

Gameplay > realism.

While I am enjoying Dust as it is, I would probably enjoy it more if it played more like a Battlefield type game where cover and teamwork is more important than how well you can aim while running in a circle. Also, the way the game plays now it bears very little resemblance to the how the game is represented in the marketing materials. They show mercs using cover and suppressing fire to advance across a battlefield. Given that there are also former Dice developers working on this players may be a bit put off when they finally get into the game and find it plays more like Quake.

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I don't want DUST to be like battlefield or COD (primarily ADS shooters in which people camp from fixed positions for kills) DUST as it stands is actually about having gun game and strafing is a part of having gun game. Learn to strafe and hit a moving target. Jumping/strafing has already been nerfed significantly since last patch.

While I am enjoying Dust as it is, I would probably enjoy it more if it played more like a Battlefield type game where cover and teamwork is more important than how well you can aim while running in a circle. Also, the way the game plays now it bears very little resemblance to the how the game is represented in the marketing materials. They show mercs using cover and suppressing fire to advance across a battlefield. Given that there are also former Dice developers working on this players may be a bit put off when they finally get into the game and find it plays more like Quake.

i totaly agree this type of game play gets old fast and its going to realy **** people off then your loosing gear and eve assets because of this bs

and for thous of you who say people will not play it cause its to hard GOOD!!! we dont weant retards anyways y do you think eve holds a avg player age of 27 theres no 12 year old kids for a reson i want it hard i wand to ern every kill and i dont want a nother fps exatly like the last dozen

o and you realy cant compare cod to bf3 as the same type of fps there totaly diffrent right now dust is a quake / cod combo trying to pose as bf3

That said, I dont want a total realism game. But nevertheles realism is important and right now this game plays silly.

Mechanics = realism or not realism. Realism (or not) then influences gameplay

any game developer who get thats in the wrong order has already started making a broken game. the cogs need to be in sync for a game to work.

firstly....losing potential buyers? the game is free to play :P

and secondly. Realism is the challenge. Take a game like ArmA 2. the number of people i have tried to introduce this game to because of its technical prowess, stunning graphics, realistic pacing, immersion i guess is what im trying to say here.

and people said it was "too hard".......really? a lot of the gamers of today dont like the nitty gritty of a hard game.

if anything. im fine with it. if dust were more realistic and people couldnt be bothered even learning the game to know why they dont like it (which is often the case, at which point you can often tick the "closed minded person" box next to that persons name on the xmas card list) then that means the audience that is left over to play with would be just like eve's......and meaningful one. that game has a steep as learning curve and the community who weathers out the storm of regular deaths and being victim to scams truly appreciate what eve is. EVE IS HARD! and rightfully so.

if you suck at a game. well...get better. if you dont like a game because you suck at it, having like the idea of it before trying it....thats just silly. its still the same game, it just challenges you in a different way. Realism is good. then again having a controller limit how fast you can turn around isnt realistic in itself now is it. so...watch out when the crowd for the keyboard and their mouse get to use their tools of destruction because them a lot of the haters will leave anyway.

the fidelity of a mouse will chase them and follow them to places that the controller is too slow to hide them. Then we will see who is left to truly appreciate what Dust514 can be shall we?

btw, im not raging here :P it was a good point i just thought there was a whole in the logic :)

Dust is free to play after you buy it from a store for $60


As of right now, if you were not able to move as fast as you could, no one would be able to kill ANYONE. Why? because as soon as your shields drop, you would dodge behind cover and wait for it to recharge, the shield recharge rate is just that fast, and it shouldn't be. I don't even use and shield recharge boosters, and my shield recharge rate is still ridiculously fast.

I lose my shields, take cover, heal, reload, then get back into the fight. Rinse and repeat until I run out of ammo and neither person dies.

The game is much better when you can circle strafe?

Has the game ever not been one where you spend most of your time circle strafing?

Fact is the current style of fps Dust plays as doesn't match up with how it has been promoted. Everything we've been shown and told prior to receiving beta access points to a game with low health and tactical movements / cover as the core of the combat elements. ie: The 2011 trailer where the dropship lands with a whack of defenders behind low walls, and the attackers diving for cover. You don't dive for cover when you can avoid being hit by dancing in a circle.

I'm not saying I'm not having fun, but the gameplay is currently a bit incongruous with the message about what the game is supposed to be.

I found best way to deal with a heavy with a hoser is keep him at arms length if your up close your dead already ive killed plenty of them by simply setting up on a flank and shooting him getting behind cover find another flank shoot him eventual he drops keep him guessing where your going to attack from that how you use better mobility not strafe and pray,

This is one hell of a heated topic it almost seems to be 50/50 and while id admit the other side have some good point as in it promotes camping and other tactics which are frowned upon, as the game stands now i would have to say the movement system is seriously hindering the tactical game play DUST514 was meant to be about, like why would anyone use any other tactic if you can out turn them every time.

Suggestion Movement speed alteration: Forward 100% of what it is
Side to side 75 to 50% of what it is
Backward 75 to 50% of what it is
when strafing at full speed barrel wobble should increase spread of bullets fired severely

Another idea that came to mind was when hit maybe it should stagger or put someone off balance which would distoriantate screen, reduce accuracy and slow them down a bit reasoning behind this is sure we are armoured but getting shot with armour on will still hurt like hell. Maybe if aiming down sights were to take away from this affect as it would show some degree of battle stance, i dont know if this would be a good idea but it is something to think about what do ye think.

I've noticed that the heavy armor is hard to kill with the assault suits and light armor, a situation I find myself in pretty often and it goes down like this...










The verdict?

This guy's superior armor and damage output is way more advantageous than an extra jump... Please, let me be faster. Let me jump more.




EDIT: You're probably wondering why this is relevant, but my point is, that reducing the bunny hopping and other stuff like this game down will just penalize the players in light and assault drop suits...



Also... If you want to address realism...

One problem I've noticed is that I can't look right and left at all, I can look only forward that is, while I'm sprinting, this just penalizes players who are better at evaluating their enviroments than others... What sort of soldier can't turn his head while running? I never understood this.

Yes.

No, but MAG, CoD, BF, etc are games that don't spend most of your time circle stafing, and I prefer this way.

Oh wow, worst excuse yet. It's advertising, it's always like this. Are you new to shooters? About every shooter shows a team sticking together and coordinating tactical. From Call of Duty to Resistance. Guess what? It never happens. To say it should be that way because it was shown in a cinematic trailer is asinine.

I also don't believe this is CCP's intention for the game, because if it were we wouldn't have logistics or command dropsuits. Hell, there woudn't be any point to orbital bombardment either. By the time the supporting fire arrives the enemies would have danced halfway across the map.

America's Army was the first shooter I played that didn't do that. But as a long-term EVE player, I'd love to get into Dust, just not at the expense of physical pain.