I hate this whole arguement that "nerfing strafe/jump will make heavys imba". The fact of the matter is, in every blog, dev post and information letter we've had so far, the devs have always said their intention for the heavy suit is one where a player is not supposed to take them head on alone, as a scout or assualt suit. Rather that, to take one down, it is suppsoed to either require a team effort...or superior tactics.

Now, running around quickly back & forth is not a 'tactic', nor is bunny hopping and the like. They are simply used currently as they are the easiest and best answer to the problem of taking on heavies alone headon, even though that was not supposed to be easily possible. Instead, superior tactics should be observing the situation the heavy is in, and using that against them. I.E, a heavy player has you suppressed down a mountain path. Instead of running up to him, jumping and dancing as you go, I (personally) feel that the devs original intention, based on their own blogs, was for the player to get out of dodge quickly, and find a way to flank the heavy (such as using another pass, or using your jump to get on top of a side ledge), coming up behind and getting that advantage of a first drop on them, and then using their low mobility against them.

Nerfing the straffing and jumping wont reduce the effectiveness of scouts or assualts one bit. All it would do is (rightfully) nerf the ability to take on anything and anyone head on, solo, just because you can mash a button or twiddle stick faster (or have higher sensitivity) than the other person. And so would encourage more 'tactical' thinking, such as flanking and teamwork. That is afterall what you all want, right ?

lol @ all the people that can't aim. I wonder what the complains will be when the party system is rolled out and pub stomping/ corporation stomping begins.

Strafing and jumping were nerfed in the patch before you got your codes. The game plays fine. it isn't too slow it isn't too fast.

Please work on reducing the use of straffing, circling and jumping as a option to evade bullets.

Make the gunfights more realistic in regards of player movements, and therefore enforce a less rushed gameplay.

Strafing should be slower, circling should affect accuracy in a bad way, and jumping should forbid shooting and each jump be lesser i height/speed due like to stamina being used.

I agree on the point of firing while jumping, but strafing and circling I am okay with. I don't really want to be a stock still target to be fired at...

Possibly a better solution would be to make the Scout able to do this much easier than the Assault and Heavy, while the Assault is moderately good at it, but not at jump-firing, and the Heavy is not able to fire accurately in the least while Jumping and circling.

Strafing, the Heavy would still be OK at.

Just an idea!

Hey buddy, you can F right off. Keep it civil. No I'm not new to shooters. I was probably playing shooters before you played your very first computer game. Ever heard of Doom? Spend more time supporting your point of view on why the game should play a certain way, and less time throwing about asinine insinuations in a lame attempt to discredit the arguments of people you disagree with. That's the approach of someone who has already lost.

They're showing potential players a shooter that plays like Battlefield, with Eve-like long term strategy. The latter especially does not mesh well with Quake style gameplay. If the plan is to connect this game with Eve in such a way that it affects that game, then they need to make sure that people want to play it for more than a month or two until the next bunny hopping circle strafer comes out with the latest graphics. You do this by designing the game to make players think more than react.

Have you seen the trailers previous to the 2012 fanfest one? Do those look cinematic to you? They look to me an awful lot like some fancy camera-work with in-game assets. At least until they get to the last half or so and start putting in the acting and info overlays.

Edit to further clarify my point: They're describing Dust as Eve in boots. The point of the game is territorial control. They're making a big point out of the fact that when you die or your vehicle is blown up that you've personally lost money (isk) as a result. This all points to a game you expect to take seriously, like with Eve. It's hard to take it seriously when players move like jackrabbits, and a player in a militia suit can run through a full squad of enemies and survive because he started dancing. I also don't believe this is CCP's intention for the game, because if it were we wouldn't have logistics or command dropsuits. Hell, there woudn't be any point to orbital bombardment either. By the time the supporting fire arrives the enemies would have danced halfway across the map.

Also, I hate to burst your bubble Mr. FPS Veteran, but there are practically no "bunny hopping circle strafer" game on the PS3, in fact most of them are slow paced sit in a corner aiming down the sights for a kill type game. Such as BF, CoD, KZ, etc.

Done crying yet? You made a dumb comment about how DUST should be "tactical" because that's how the trailers show it. I could either think you're an idiot, or just assume you're new to shooters. Sadly it seems it's not the latter. One would think with all your years of FPS experience you'd have realized at some point games almost never play like they're shown in trailers.

No, not at all. If this game was Battlefield there would be 3 people on the ground and the rest in vehicles. It's not trying to appeal an audience like that. It's simply appealing to FPS fans who want more than just random matchmaking games against randoms. So you can try again, because that's not a valid reason as to why the gameplay should be slow and "tactical". Also, I hate to burst your bubble Mr. FPS Veteran, but there are practically no "bunny hopping circle strafer" game on the PS3, in fact most of them are slow paced sit in a corner aiming down the sights for a kill type game. Such as BF, CoD, KZ, etc. So tell me, if there aren't many (if any) games with the gameplay of DUST, what game will go to after a month or two of DUST? Finally, slowing down the strafe speeds of DUST doesn't make anyone "think more than react." All that does is slow down the gameplay tremendously, because everyone will be sitting still aiming down their scopes. But at least it would be "tactical!" Give me a break.

Please work on reducing the use of straffing, circling and jumping as a option to evade bullets.

Make the gunfights more realistic in regards of player movements, and therefore enforce a less rushed gameplay.

Strafing should be slower, circling should affect accuracy in a bad way, and jumping should forbid shooting and each jump be lesser i height/speed due like to stamina being used.

lol @ all the people that can't aim. I wonder what the complains will be when the party system is rolled out and pub stomping/ corporation stomping begins.

Strafing and jumping were nerfed in the patch before you got your codes. The game plays fine. it isn't too slow it isn't too fast.

sitting ADS waiting for kills is "super hardcore". tactical gameplay yo.

Um, good? If I want a bunny hopping game I will go play Halo. I want Battlefield in EVE.

sitting ADS waiting for kills is "super hardcore". tactical gameplay yo.

Too bad. Now get over it and go play Battlefield. Okay?



Pretty much.

How about a module or weapon that slows movement like webs in EVE? Don't like people dancing around? Train it up and slow them down.

so in essence players should be rewarded for camping using ADS? Where does skilled gunplay fit into games that allow for this?

web grenades are going to be introduced in the next patch.

It depends what team you are on. It you are on the defending team then yes, camping is a big part of the job. As far as ADS goes, sorry but hip fire is rare to non existent in real combat. Automatic fire was actually removed from the M16 to stop people from wasting ammo trying to do it and force them to aim.

Seriously though...since when has COD been known as a game where people sit in corners with sights? Last I heard, it was known as practically the run & gun king, with campers being absolutly slated in game...

ADS =/= a camp fest. Putting more emphasis on ADS makes the game a 'bit' slower paced, but mainly due to the fact that it takes more skill with aiming & tracking your target, rather than running up to them and blindly firing your gun until either you or they die.

The majority of mainstream FPSs (COD, Halo etc) tend to actually lean towards the faster paced, hip firing type gameplay. The BF series makes a nice balance between the two, possibly arguablly leaning more towards ADS. I can't personally think of an example of a game that takes hip firing & strafing to the extreme, but Dust in it's current state is certainly leaning on that (less tactical) side of gameplay. Meanwhile, examples of games that take ADS & slower paced game play more seriosuly, are of course AA, OFP, and the ARMA series, and all each offer an extremely tactical and slow gameplay.

Personally, I dont think the game would benefit being as extreme and realistic as games such as Arma, nor do I think it'll benefit from it's current state. I would like to see the game slowed down a little bit more, possibly making it 'just' slow enough so that players and teams have enough time to plan each step, but 'just' fast enough so that when an engagement with an enemy occurs, it is memorable and exciting. At the moment however, a lot of it seems to be a case of, 'run in to enemy' - 'circle & shoot from the hip' - 'jump like a rabbit and reload' - 'circle & shoot (until enemy dies)' - 'rinse & repeat'. You really think this is 'tactical' ?

I didn't see that. Where did you find that out? And are there any other similar items?

checkout the on the horizon thread in general discussion

I think you will be the one crying when we get the final build and it is slower and more tactical than what we are playing now. I think the bunny hop lovers are the vocal minority.

"If this game was Battlefield there would be 3 people on the ground and the rest in vehicles."

And here you finally show your opinion to be worthless because you've clearly never played a battlefield game, or learned how to get high scores and win if you have. I wish a mod would read this thread and gag you for throwing insults around. You need to grow the **** up, Mud.

"If this game was Battlefield there would be 3 people on the ground and the rest in vehicles."

And here you finally show your opinion to be worthless because you've clearly never played a battlefield game, or learned how to get high scores and win if you have. I wish a mod would read this thread and gag you for throwing insults around. You need to grow the **** up, Mud.

Fat suits have it easy enough, so your cries are not going to improve anything. Blame the freezes/hit detection instead of your inability to shoot people who actually use more than just the R1 button...or L1 and R1 combo and neglect to move themselves. When you talk about realistic are you talking about the camping matches in COD/BF3? In real actuality soldiers must move or else they will be killed...even snipers. Also the jump has been nerfed since the Pre-Replication build beyond any real use besides getting over things. If they nerf the speed/jump anymore then the scout suit will seriously be at a disadvantage.



I honestly loved the faster pace of the last patch...I had to adapt to this slower game-style which was a headache; now people want it to be slower without acknowledging the real problems. migraines are not healthy people.