Thats what cover, vehicle support and supression fire is for.

And dodging, really, are we Neo encarnations?

lolsuppression

bet u someone is gonna ask for lolbf lolsuppression mechanics next

"Reduce strafing.." Absolutely not.

This game isn't "real" as in meant to mirror real life. The gear and weapons are future based.

If you want movement nerfed you better just delete the scout and assault classes. Give everyone heavy armor and call it a day.

I like having builds that allow you to optimize for movement or tank. Even the scout can only jump two times before the stam runs out.

Maybe part of the problem is with hit boxes and server lag, poor code etc...which made it so you had to shoot in front of a moving target in order to hit them. Supposedly its being fixed.

I agree with previous posters who said it dumbs down the game when nobody can move and shoot. Anyone who wants movement nerfed is obviously favoring a heavy build or sniper and want to reduce the primary survivability advantage the scout suit grants..

Thats what cover, vehicle support and supression fire is for.

And dodging, really, are we Neo encarnations?

lolsuppression

bet u someone is gonna ask for lolbf lolsuppression mechanics next

I dare you to walk in front of my Tier 3 HMG when I'm hosing down a corridor/boxes while my Assault Teammates reload...
Try it.

Suppression mechanics already exist

i'm against dumbing the game down by slowing it down. Strafing is something found in most shooters that require skill. If you want to ADS for kills go play COD.

Yup >:D

EDIT: Also, Xocoyol, I love you for realizing that suppression has nothing to do with a blurred screen mechanic

The straffing (side to side movement) should not be the same as the foward movments speed its just dumbing the game mechanics down for players, to slow down the movement not so much foward is fine side to side is too fast and does not effect the characters accuracy at all movement backward even though i dont think its causing a issue as such it will probably have to be adjusted to round off any changes made to straffing, over the time ive played this beta my twitch and strafing skill have improved, all CQC can be boiled down to shoot start moving left, jump, start moving right, jump, reload, rince and repeat ontill one fella dies while i agree that there is some form of skill to this i dissagree strongly with how frequently it happens it should perhaps be a scout exclusive, i dont want strafing taken out i just want it so that there is a lot less luck involved in most of the cqc

^ This

+1

also to the people comparing this to other not sci-fi FPSs, the EVE-Dust universe is set 20k + years into the future therefore apples and oranges

There is a serious void in the fast-paced FPS market for the PS3. I was glad to see dust move more quickly and allow running and gunning rather than being forced into slow-motion, rigid maneuvers. Battlefield and COD both almost "force" you to ADS the entire time and avoid moving too quickly with most weapons.

Please don't turn this into another vanilla ps3 shooter. Retain as many unique elements as possible so people have a reason to buy it other than simply because they already have an eve account.

Pretty much this.

This being a sci-fi shooter has nothing to do with play style nor is a justification for a strafer. So if a game is a sci-fi its a excuse to it be silly?

War is war, whatever the year it may be, tatics wont change much and even if a soldier has a clone, well, dying still hurts. Plus, going into the future dosent mean things will progress, just look at the amarr religion and the fact minmatrar still use ducttape, lol.

A slower game forces a more tatical mind set. In this context, yeah, please Force people to have to aim before shooting. I dont think in eve universe theres self-guided ammo that would grant a strafer/cicling that dont aim and just sprays its gun a kill like in Wanted.

The true diferential of Dust is persistance. Not it being a straffer.

The gameplay I've noticed is a lot like ole BF2 close quarters, and a mix of Halo.. We don't have a prone so we can't go "dolphin diving", but the fact is the majority of the time circling, and jumping seem to be the only way to win in a gunfight.. I know there's a lack of skill as well that partakes in that but the "core" gameplay shouldn't just be a run-n-jump-n-circle type of game.. At least for a game in this era of gaming.

This is beta so we might see some changes as it goes, but as of now I have a lot of trouble shooting at range, and attempting to pick off people at long range, and so far it seems sniping and medium-range are pretty useless unless you've got a lot of ammo, and headshot aim. But that's my opinion. In terms of someones arguement earlier about this being a sci-fi shooter and not a realism shooter, then think about what EVE is.. a pretty realistic space simulation game.. all these mechanics they have in place to make you a better soldier in DUST 514 shouldn't come down to who jumps first and missing the first bullets.

Here's an example of what I think the combat should be more like, for those that have never played KZ3 Multiplayer; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEO8aRq2cLc

I would argue the jumping and circle fights would make more sense on a smaller map like those in Halo, or Call of Duty, where it makes more sense because you don't have the distance between you, but here on these large scale maps the combat needs to be different.

Just my 2 cents, but hey!

hit detection is messed up, hence ppl that dont know how to deal with it experience these jumpin, circle strafe fights atm. If u are sniping i'd suggest checking out my friend Angel's thread on sniping currently.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19086&find=unread

Jumping pretty much doesnt save u against a good player anyway, u can only jump like twice on a full bar the ppl who have a problem with that either havent figured out the hit detection problem or just cant aim. Once hit detection and framerate are fixed expect the game to change a bit. Scout suit users who abuse these issues are the most prominent ppl that will be affected, gun fights will end alot quicker when the issues are fixed, trust me.

and kz3 really? kz3 was terrible, CCP needs to stay far away from drawing any references from a game hardcore kz fans did not even like

kz2 was alot better than kz3

I would support reducing people jumping in fights, but please keep in mind..

There are weapons in the game such as the breach assault gun that specifically give a bonus to hip fire accuracy.

I do not support turning this into a boring slow-motion shooter. I still believe much of the complaining about strafing is due to:

1)People using the heavy suit being unable to track at close range (intended)

2)Snipers having a harder time hitting people (intended)

3)People being less able to track due to personal issues with the controls (Learn to play issue)

4)The issue with hit boxes, lag, and net code requiring that you "lead" a player who is moving in order to hit them (supposed to be fixed in the future)


If #4 is fixed, the strafing will be less of an issue. Under no circumstances should a scout at very close range be unable to strafe faster than a heavy can turn. You already have to be very close to achieve this.

Any reduction of ability to strafe is going to imbalance the game further in favor of heavy armor, which already has an advantage in many situations. In an objective based game that requires rushing and close quarters combat, there should be some tactical advantage to speed. Players should not be forced to stand 15 meters apart and just shoot each other and make it a tank/dps race.

It all comes down to game style, but I disagree and think a more realistic game makes a better shooter experience.

"You must not win gun fights..... " - This has no bearing in the conversation.