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Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2015.02.15 22:36:00 -
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This thread revolves around PC more than anything. My minmatar scout with (desperately) 3 complex dampeners should not be getting scanned every 10 seconds, making it literally impossible to flank and get a speed hack or get uplinks down for my team to get into a better position to take control of a point. NO scout should get scanned with 2 complex dampeners on by ANYTHING. Only Gal scout can get under those scans and thats fundamentally broken in so many ways. This is what scout suits are made for... being unseen. gal logi bonus needs to be toned down are scout needs significant profile buff. Theres really no way around it. Also scouts should not be forced to cloak to be unseen, as said, scouts are built for this.
LogicGäó
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2015.02.15 22:44:00 -
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The scanner was the worst thing ever added to the game.
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2015.02.15 22:48:00 -
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Imagine when those PC corps use them exact same tactics on pubs against newberries.
The Gallente Logi bonus should either change to Scan Duration or Cooldown per level.
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TritusX
PH4NT0M5
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Posted - 2015.02.15 23:23:00 -
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One thing. Do those extenders keep you from putting on damps? If not, change your light weapon. You don't need a Boundless CR when you using IshNoks
Forced Death
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2015.02.15 23:26:00 -
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I'd rather be scanned than have scouts everywhere.
Who wants some?
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Echo 1991
State of Purgatory
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.15 23:28:00 -
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So every scout can avoid scans with one damp? No thanks. Scouts need a counter, and I shouldn't have to use a scout to see a scout. I'm sorry but a triple damped scout cannot be picked up by any scanner except a duvolle focused, And if cloaked it will not detect you (hardest to do on min scout though) you also will Not be detected for 10 seconds by that scanner. Max is 7.5 seconds. |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.15 23:33:00 -
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I hear we are getting active dampeners.
It may alleviate the problem. Won't be OP like the cloak was because you can be seen visibly, but you still won't have to deal with the annoyance of being scanned.
What bothers me is that people pull this stuff out in Pubs...
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
1952
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Posted - 2015.02.15 23:36:00 -
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OP, I believe Min Scouts cannot be scanned with 3 complex profile dampeners.
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.02.15 23:37:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I hear we are getting active dampeners.
It may alleviate the problem. Won't be OP like the cloak was because you can be seen visibly, but you still won't have to deal with the annoyance of being scanned.
What bothers me is that people pull this stuff out in Pubs...
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2015.02.15 23:39:00 -
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I don't see why every scout need to be literally unscannable. If someone is using the best possible scanner, and a suit with a bonus to buff it even further, it should be able to detect scouts, otherwise what is even the point?
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
1953
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Posted - 2015.02.15 23:39:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I don't see why every scout need to be literally unscannable. If someone is using the best possible scanner, and a suit with a bonus to buff it even further, it should be able to detect scouts, otherwise what is even the point?
Then what would be the point in running Scout?
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JUDASisMYhomeboy
xCosmic Voidx
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Posted - 2015.02.15 23:43:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The scanner was the worst thing ever added to the game.
I second that
Don't nerf scanners. Just remove them completely. Game was better without them
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
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Posted - 2015.02.15 23:44:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I don't see why every scout need to be literally unscannable. If someone is using the best possible scanner, and a suit with a bonus to buff it even further, it should be able to detect scouts, otherwise what is even the point? Then what would be the point in running Scout?
And what would be the counter to active scanners is also a question to be asked.
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JUDASisMYhomeboy
xCosmic Voidx
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Posted - 2015.02.15 23:48:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I don't see why every scout need to be literally unscannable. If someone is using the best possible scanner, and a suit with a bonus to buff it even further, it should be able to detect scouts, otherwise what is even the point? Then what would be the point in running Scout? And what would be the counter to active scanners is also a question to be asked.
How about when someone scans, then you scan and the scanners freak out and kill all the sentinels. Seems fair
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Jebus McKing
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.16 00:05:00 -
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Scanning in this game is ****** up and needs a complete rework. We seriously have to move away from scanners working like wallhacks. They should only show the momentary location of a target and not its every move for the next X seconds. Same with passives and they should 'pulse' every X seconds instead of showing the targets exact location non stop.
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2015.02.16 00:19:00 -
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How about this for a counter for active Scanners?
Right now they are a risk free tactic. Just stand in a hidden spot from the battle and scan endlessly, if you have a bunch of dampeners on your lows, you become an ivisible (radar only) scanning platform that have wallhacks.
A good counter to the scanners is when someone throws a scan, they appear as a shiny blip on the radar. That would make throwing scans a risk vs reward tactic.
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.02.16 00:28:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I hear we are getting active dampeners.
It may alleviate the problem. Won't be OP like the cloak was because you can be seen visibly, but you still won't have to deal with the annoyance of being scanned.
What bothers me is that people pull this stuff out in Pubs... I needz mai walhax 2 b competitib m8
I needz to be invistbol and claks to be good
Sir Dukey-
If one person is smart he should be able to keep vehicle at bay but not destroy it unless its a stupid driver
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.02.16 00:36:00 -
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JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The scanner was the worst thing ever added to the game. I second that Don't nerf scanners. Just remove them completely. Game was better without them
im ok with that remove cloaks as well too
Sir Dukey-
If one person is smart he should be able to keep vehicle at bay but not destroy it unless its a stupid driver
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.02.16 00:38:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I don't see why every scout need to be literally unscannable. If someone is using the best possible scanner, and a suit with a bonus to buff it even further, it should be able to detect scouts, otherwise what is even the point? Then what would be the point in running Scout? And what would be the counter to active scanners is also a question to be asked.
any one with a gun....... also its one suit that is designed for detecting all suits have the ability to use ewar but not all suit have the ability to scan effectively
Sir Dukey-
If one person is smart he should be able to keep vehicle at bay but not destroy it unless its a stupid driver
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2015.02.16 00:45:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I don't see why every scout need to be literally unscannable. If someone is using the best possible scanner, and a suit with a bonus to buff it even further, it should be able to detect scouts, otherwise what is even the point? Then what would be the point in running Scout?
Scouting perhaps.
Who wants some?
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Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2015.02.16 00:46:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:How about this for a counter for active Scanners?
Right now they are a risk free tactic. Just stand in a hidden spot from the battle and scan endlessly, if you have a bunch of dampeners on your lows, you become an ivisible (radar only) scanning platform that have wallhacks.
A good counter to the scanners is when someone throws a scan, they appear as a shiny blip on the radar. That would make throwing scans a risk vs reward tactic.
no, hiding behind 10 heavies is not a risk.
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Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2015.02.16 00:47:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:OP, I believe Min Scouts cannot be scanned with 3 complex profile dampeners.
they can, i do all the time.
LogicGäó
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2015.02.16 00:49:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:How about this for a counter for active Scanners?
Right now they are a risk free tactic. Just stand in a hidden spot from the battle and scan endlessly, if you have a bunch of dampeners on your lows, you become an ivisible (radar only) scanning platform that have wallhacks.
A good counter to the scanners is when someone throws a scan, they appear as a shiny blip on the radar. That would make throwing scans a risk vs reward tactic. no, hiding behind 10 heavies is not a risk.
you say the same for LOGIS so nerf them too? nerf the rep tool?
Sir Dukey-
If one person is smart he should be able to keep vehicle at bay but not destroy it unless its a stupid driver
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
2087
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Posted - 2015.02.16 00:52:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:How about this for a counter for active Scanners?
Right now they are a risk free tactic. Just stand in a hidden spot from the battle and scan endlessly, if you have a bunch of dampeners on your lows, you become an ivisible (radar only) scanning platform that have wallhacks.
A good counter to the scanners is when someone throws a scan, they appear as a shiny blip on the radar. That would make throwing scans a risk vs reward tactic. no, hiding behind 10 heavies is not a risk.
I guarantee you'd be my first target. We don't waste ammo on heavies while the logi lives
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.16 01:13:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:OP, I believe Min Scouts cannot be scanned with 3 complex profile dampeners. they can, i do all the time.
15 dB - GA Logi + Duvolle Focused
16 dB - MinScout + 3 Complex Damps
Focused Scanner wins unless Min Scout is proto cloaked.
Shoot scout with yes.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.02.16 01:14:00 -
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OR you could use a scout meant to damp. Just saying.
I remember when a Galscout could only dodge a Duvolle Focused with 4x CPX Damps. With scannerinas, no less. |
Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.16 01:15:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:OP, I believe Min Scouts cannot be scanned with 3 complex profile dampeners. they can, i do all the time. 15 dB - GA Logi + Duvolle Focused 16 dB - MinScout + 3 Complex Damps Focused Scanner wins unless Min Scout is proto cloaked.
Sorry, I meant with cloak.
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Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2015.02.16 01:18:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:How about this for a counter for active Scanners?
Right now they are a risk free tactic. Just stand in a hidden spot from the battle and scan endlessly, if you have a bunch of dampeners on your lows, you become an ivisible (radar only) scanning platform that have wallhacks.
A good counter to the scanners is when someone throws a scan, they appear as a shiny blip on the radar. That would make throwing scans a risk vs reward tactic. no, hiding behind 10 heavies is not a risk. I guarantee you'd be my first target. We don't waste ammo on heavies while the logi lives
so your gonna go after a logi while getting shot at by multiple heavies simultaneously? k
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.16 01:19:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:So every scout can avoid scans with one damp? No thanks. Scouts need a counter, and I shouldn't have to use a scout to see a scout. I'm sorry but a triple damped scout cannot be picked up by any scanner except a duvolle focused, And if cloaked it will not detect you (hardest to do on min scout though) you also will Not be detected for 10 seconds by that scanner. Max is 7.5 seconds.
You don't have to scan an enemy to kill it. This is especially true with low-HP Scouts.
Darken-Soul wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:
Then what would be the point in running Scout?
Scouting perhaps.
I've never once been awarded recon assist WP for my sharing passives with my squad, and I distinctly recall "360 wallhack passive scans" being deemed OP and bad for Dust. The ultimate recon unit in the game is the GA Logi. Please define what you mean by "scouting".
Shoot scout with yes.
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Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2015.02.16 01:19:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Assert Dominance wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:How about this for a counter for active Scanners?
Right now they are a risk free tactic. Just stand in a hidden spot from the battle and scan endlessly, if you have a bunch of dampeners on your lows, you become an ivisible (radar only) scanning platform that have wallhacks.
A good counter to the scanners is when someone throws a scan, they appear as a shiny blip on the radar. That would make throwing scans a risk vs reward tactic. no, hiding behind 10 heavies is not a risk. you say the same for LOGIS so nerf them too? nerf the rep tool?
wut? i dont have a problem with reps, just scans...
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