Then what would be the point in running Scout?

so your gonna go after a logi while getting shot at by multiple heavies simultaneously? k

Scouts have to sacrifice their fits to be unscannable. A logi only needs to use one equipment to give his whole team enemy locations.

It is just too easy to slap a scanner on almost any fit, sacrafice almost nothing and have super ewar.

I am not against the gal logi having superior scans, but he should have to sacrafice more to make it possible.

As much as people complained about scouts going their squad 30-40 meter passive scans I can't believe more people aren't upset about logis giving the entire team 100m+ active scans. And some logis use 4 scanners, negating the cool down and pretty much providing perma scans.

wut? i dont have a problem with reps, just scans...

so your gonna go after a logi while getting shot at by multiple heavies simultaneously? k

Going after the logi is the first thing you do dude.

the most a scanner has is 200m with a 30 degree angle of scan also the basic scans are **** they just pick up hevies adv can pick up any med hvy suit that dosent have any skills in ewar they proto is the only one that can scan just about every suit and even then you will get the best result with a gal logi.

LOL sorry wrote that in the middle of a battle *ahem* you can say the same for logis with rep tools hiding behind a wall of hvys so why not nerf rep tools too? no risk there as well.

And some logis use 4 scanners, negating the cool down and pretty much providing perma scans.

A. No
B. Scouts are such disgusting easymode that I respecced out of them. I used to have Caldari Scout and Cloaks maxed out, but there was no challenge at all.

In other words: stop being bad

A. No
B. Scouts are such disgusting easymode that I respecced out of them. I used to have Caldari Scout and Cloaks maxed out, but there was no challenge at all.

In other words: stop being bad

You don't have to scan an enemy to counter/kill it; this is especially true with Scouts.


I've never once been awarded recon assist WP for my sharing passives with my squad, and I distinctly recall "360 wallhack passive scans" being deemed OP and bad for Dust. The ultimate recon unit in the game is the GA Logi. Please define what you mean by "scouting".

i dont use cloaks, which is my point. unless u have proto cloak u cant negate scans in any suit other than gal scout. read before u post... blocked.

your point only applies in a pub match.

And I assume you're going to claim that the exploit I stated isn't being used in PC matches? A scanner that isn't being exploited would not be keeping you scanned constantly.

What needs to happen is that the scan duration is set to zero. As long as there is any period of time that the scanner continues to detect after pressing the button, it can be abused via a high DPI mouse, which you can get pretty cheaply nowadays.

THAT is the change that scanners need, not to nerf their ability to detect. Seriously, I know someone who has frequently admitted to using the "scannerina" exploit in PC to defend against Scouts.

Again, punish the exploiters, not everyone else.

How about this for a counter for active Scanners?

Right now they are a risk free tactic. Just stand in a hidden spot from the battle and scan endlessly, if you have a bunch of dampeners on your lows, you become an ivisible (radar only) scanning platform that have wallhacks.

A good counter to the scanners is when someone throws a scan, they appear as a shiny blip on the radar. That would make throwing scans a risk vs reward tactic.

Don't you all join up in a barber shop and cry about everything? Ask them.

NO scout regardless of race, should get scanned with atleast 2 dampeners on.

Lol.
Get gud.

I'm baffled by the ill-informed's perception of the Barbershop. More well-thought nerf ideas for Scouts have came from that one thread than the entirety of GD combined. Believe whatever you wish, but this is fact. Balance has been our goal since the beginning, and we played more an active role than anyone else in seeing ourselves nerfed for the sake of balance.

But back to the point, a design decision was made, and passive recon was replaced by active recon. The "Scouting" Scout was replaced by the Active Scanner; the "Scouting" Scout is no more. In its stead, the GA Logi stands arguably overpowered; its "360 wallhack scans" perform no differently from those of the AM and CA Scout's which were nerfed before it.

Assert has proposed that 2 complex damps on a Scout suffice to beat Active Scans. In which specific instance would this be unreasonable?

1. In the instance where that would make a Gal Logi scanner useless?

2. 2 damps is all you needed in the past with the Gal Scout and you guys said it was OP. Proposing it to be on all scouts is just hilarious.

3. As far as 360 scans, that's a result of CCP's inability to properly fix something when they set out to fix it. You need a high DPI mouse to achieve these scans, otherwise you get a very narrow scan with a huge cooldown.

4. Assert's suggestion is a bandaid that would hurt just as much as it would help. How about this, you charge your scan and then release it over the area you want to scan? 1 pulse, can't do 360 scans. That was what I expected CCP to do, but instead they just reduced the scan duration by a ton lol

1. Not being able to scan a small percentage of units would not make the GA Logi scanner useless.

2. The 2-damp GA Scout was OP following 1.8. Since 1.8, we've observed sweeping series of Scout nerfs (including falloff, cloak blind, decloak delay, strafe penalty, etc.) not to mention a round of major Assault buffs.

3. CPM Zatara Rought writes: "it's 1/8 the map around you.....45 of 360 degrees". Did he not know that spin-scanning was still a problem, Cat Merc? Why didn't tell him then, Cat Merc, that spin-scanning was still a problem?

4. I've a better idea. Replace AM Scout Precision perk with current GA Logi Active Scan perk. Give the GA Logi something else which it cannot break, mouse-controlled or otherwise. The AM Scout could then serve the role of a "Scouting" Scout, with one-quarter to one-half the spam potential of 4 EQ slots. Wouldn't 1-2 periodic 15dB scans be better than 4?

Edit: Alternatively, we could dramatically increase fitting req'ts of the Duvolle Focused Scanner and/or increase its base scan precision.

So, you want to increase the fitting requirements on something that uses the second most amount of PG in the game? 18 PG to fit 1 focused scanner, 14.5 PG on a logi. for perma-scans, i woulld have gimp my fit so much that its beyond useless. I'm sick of scouts and players moaning about scanners, a scout can see you almost all of the time and you dont get any warning informing you of it, but because one medium frame can scan almost everyone for 7.5 seconds and lets you know if you've been scanned its completely broken.

If you don't want to be thin skinned and scannable, don't run a Min Scout. Speed and hacking bonus come at a price.

If you run a proto cloak with those two dampeners and the Min Scout becomes un-scannable, by the way.

All that said, spin scanning needs to be fixed, and the 200m scanner is 90 degrees, not 30.