You see them if you keep your eyes open... You see them on the radar when they're close enough to do anything... You see your health slowly drop and the sound of the small turret hitting your tank... You have ample amounts of time to react.

If you sit still, yes the dropship has it easy, if you move erratically the dropship has no idea where you're doing if it's directly above, because all it can see is it's own hull and a dot that turns red when ON the tartet, which is useles for a moving target as you have to fire in the direction it's moving... Unless you're so low that simply reversing the tank (which the dropship wont see until too late) has the dropship very much in your sights.


Yes if you pilot the tank like a nonce, the dropship has it easy... But then if the guy in the dropship pilots like a nonce you've got an even easier time of it in the tank.



Looking at the opposite perspective, if a tank sneaks up on an ads (doesn't have to actually get that close, so doesn't show on the radar) then the ads is dead unless the tanker is a bad shot.

Yes it is. A Dropship is made for TRANSPORT. If it's preforming like a Gunship, and nothing like a DS, then it's broken. You are focusing WAY too much on the word Assault.

None of the descriptions are something to go by. Gal Logis by that logic would have repping bonuses.

Also, I see nothing in that about easily attacking HAV's. That desc. has zip to do with being a Gunship, more so being a pseudo fighter.

Also, the hing was intended to be made as a what I suggested: DS that can give support fire after dropping off a smaller passenger size.

flying at flight ceiling completely invalidates that, so bullshit.

& also completely invalidates the dropship.

We're well aware you struggle against dropships when in a tank... Guess what, I struggled against forge gunners in an ads... But instead of asking to make it easier for me, when clearly other people are able to deal with it, I chose to practice fighting them instead... You know what, I got better.

Take it from someone who can... If you try, you can too.

It does not. Fly at flight ceiling, you can't get shot at, fly far past rail optimal, and drop in on it. If you don't understand that, then you're a fool.

And that's not only it, I've been able to kill HAV's AS a ADS pilot doing all of these things. That's how I discovered all of these things you idiot.

We should be gauging whether or not something is broken by their overall effect on the battlefield. The ADS in its current state, with the strength of AV and the alternate means Tanks have of taking them out (aka every moment that the Dropship's full attention isn't on them and when they're not hovering right above them) would mean that they're not broken. The descriptions, at the very least, give insight on the initial intended direction of any suit, item or vehicle. CCP intended the ADS to be an air based attack vehicle and, unlike the Gal Logi, have a skill bonus that further proves that that's direction that they wanted to take with it. If they weren't meant to kill people they wouldn't have a skill bonus geared towards being more proficient at killing people.

"If it's performing like a Gunship, and nothing like a DS, then it's broken."

No. This only means that it's a Gunship. There's nothing wrong with a Dropship being a Gunship because currently we don't have a separate dedicated model for such a vehicle. It fills a niche in this game that otherwise wouldn't exist. There was once a time where CCP had grand plans for the future of Dust 514; MAVs, Racial Vehicles, Fighters, 0G combat, more weapons - then **** happened and they recolored the DS to fill a role for pilots that hadn't existed previously.

Also, as I've already said, any kind of movement a HAV can do, a ADS can easily counter.

3: It's CALLED A ******* DS

Either the turret needs to go away from the pilot

And a HAV can also counter an ads movement.



There are no swear words in any of the skill trees, or long strings of stars.



The same could be said about tanks, perhaps we should take the main turret away from them as well... I would certainly enjoy having 2 people to work a tank... Although I don't feel it necessary.

Top small turrets just need to be able to look up more, and be fit without fitting a front gun.

Thats it.

Good tankers keep ADS moving so it can never simply hover above it, this would allow teamwork to push away or kill a solo pilot, while still letting a solo tanker defend himself if he cant outmaneuver the dropship. This also keeps things very even since theyre both shooting each other with small turrets

And how will this help the pilot handle ADS?

It will help because it will be less likely for the ADS to do damage to the tank, even though that damage is pathetic. Just because you're a massive armoured vehicles doesn't mean you shouldn't move around a bit

You're getting hooked on like purely arbitrary things. Who cares if its in the Dropship tree? Would you be satisfied if they renamed the Dropship "Medium Aerial Vehicle" and renamed the ADS "Assault Aerial Vehicle?" It's in the Dropship tree because they reused the same exact model and stuck a gun on the front because they couldn't be bothered to implement their other planned vehicles into the game. It's an "ASSAULT" Dropship because it's meant to blow **** up. Nothing about the skill, its description, or anything CCP has ever said has lead anyone to believe that they were meant to fit within Godin's super specific niche of "occasional aerial support transport craft meant to lightly tap targets until a tank looks up and blows it into the stratosphere".

Assault Dropships, Gunships, Transport vehicles, whatever you call them if you can stick a gun on them they're meant to be used to kill people.

By that logic, yuo're limiting the HAV to kill things, because it has a gun on it.

Also by that logic, a Plasma Rifle should be able to kill anything.

What else can the HAV do? Fundamentally its power is to kill things, it doesn't kill every target as easily thanks to the Large Turret nerf but they can still get by with what they've got. You can kill installations, other vehicles, and infantry.

Having a role based on killing things doesn't mean everything can be killed. The Plasma Rifle comparison doesn't fly.

And the ADS can easily recounter, and rinse and repeat, while still staying on the HAV, or rapidly returning.

Nope. It's not the same thing. You're saying either use teamwork or get lucky, in which case it's only fair that ADS's has to do the same to attack. And if you think it isn't necessary, then you got two options:

1: Deal with it

2: Try to talk actual balance instead of digging your head into a hole.

You said that if it has a gun on it, it should be able to kill people. Well, a HAV is not a person, yet for some reaosn you want to apply that same logic to a HAV, and therefore, your reply is bullshit.

Lol, of all the things to latch on to. It really seems like you've run out of things to back up your case with.

The takeaways from this and your previous thread -
Godin's argument -
ADS are primarily transport and shouldn't be blowing **** up.
ADS has an overwhelming advantage against Tanks thanks to turret elevation and the inability to respond at close range.

My argument -
The Assault Dropship has guns on it. These guns do their job of blowing **** up.
The Skill and Description of the ADS support the intended role of said ship to be blowing **** up.
Tanks have counter measures in the form of making use of map cover, using turrets, using unpredictable movement patterns or equipping Forges on a powerful suit.
The time taken for an ADS to kill a tank thanks to the skill nerf gives a tanker ample time to respond - they're not broken.

Don't take this so personally, just because I think your idea of arbitrarily limiting what the ADS is and isn't capable of is bad doesn't mean I think you're bad. I just fundamentally disagree with you.

ADS's are not acting in a support role at all as of current, more like a assaulting platform

So like an assault dropship

Seriously though, if you want to turn the ADS into a transport role, then create a 'gunship', we can use the same model (as they're doing the same thing for tanks) remove the extra seats, give it more ehp and everybody's happy

No, like a Gunship.

ADS's Role's in a reasonable world:

Primary- Transporting fireteams and Giving said fireteams fire support

Secondary- Being able to scatter, distract, kill, etc. infantry and smaller vehicles, and to be able to distract larger vehicles from your team.

note: Firing back with AV or HAV's will endanger ADS's, and make them run off, or pin them down.

I'll ask again, can we create your version of the DS and add a gunship?

If the Gunship isn't simply a farming tool, sure.

Then since no one would use your new ADS can we just call the current set up a Gunship and skip all the extra work

Also, the problems with ADS's vs. HAV's would be similar, most likely worse on a Gunship, so that would still need fixing.

If the Gunship isn't simply a farming tool, sure.

2: Try to talk actual balance instead of digging your head into a hole.