There is teamwork for all, vehicles are a support role, which involved working with a team, just like logis, they're a support role and you don't find them not working with the team.

Large missiles are great anti DS turrets as is. Any more elevation without lowering damage or RoF will be an overbuff.

Missile tanks with skilled pilots are a serious threat to dropships, even pythons

Godin while I appreciate your desire to be considerate I want to see HAVs picking off tower forges in Line Harvest.

Large missiles are great anti DS turrets as is. Any more elevation without lowering damage or RoF will be an overbuff.

Missile tanks with skilled pilots are a serious threat to dropships, even pythons

I do understand that. I want to see that too, that's another thing around as bad as this. I also don't want HAV's easily shooting back at ADS's or even easily assaulting DS's. I want engagements to be reasonable.

Also, ADS's are not acting in a support role at all as of current, more like a assaulting platform and nothing else (to be fair, that's about the same with the HAV, which I've said many times, but that's a problem with there being nothing to really shoot at, while ADS's does have a role that can be made for it, it's just not done well).

Missile and blaster DPS will be normalized around 1000-1100 each with missiles being single fire.

The rail baselines at 870 DPS at proto. So it sucked a nerf too.

Fair cop.

I would still love a reliable method for torching them.

I do the tower bombing occasionally in line harvest.

Boring-ass EZ mode for risk-averse tools.

I dont think ill ever understand your crusade to make the ASSAULT drop ship bad at assaulting. Its already god aweful at unit extraction thanks to low tank, and cant fit a cru without lowering said tank further still. I think your problem is you dont want to admit that ADS IS the Gunship of DUST.

What is each turrets current DPS?

As I've already said, DS eHP in general does feel low, and needs buffing. I'd also say that landings need to be able to be a lot faster for ADS's, seeing as they have to be in and out.

What is each turrets current DPS?

Except that they dont have to be in and out, since troop transport is a secondary role to their primary role of assaulting

Troop transport is for standard and logistics ships, killing things is for assault ships.

Rails are like 975, missiles can hit for 3597 ish shotgun bursts. Blasters float at 870. Do the blaster is literally the worst in every conceivable way.

New proposal:

Blaster 1125 DPS

Missile 1080 DPS

Rsil 870 DPS


This is, of course, unmodified by skills or mods at proto.

A noob to vehicles, because you sound like you have no idea what your proposed 'changes' will do to the game

They should put two more passenger smalls on it and remove the spare seats.

Make it like puff the magic dragon. The C-130 modification they showed off in the first transformers movie that gutted Scorpinok.

Is railgun getting anything to compensate for lower DPS? Right now railguns are only a real threat when paired with AV, or stacking damage mods. The stacked damage makes for lame 2 shot engagements, but at the same time I dont want rails being useless. Perhaps give them slightly better tracking and maybe even a small RoF boos to compensate?

Blasters should be fine so long as their optimal isnt too high. They should be funny at range and fierce up close.

Missiles....ill have to actually see that myself. With lower damage and rof, perhaps missile turrets could recieve higher elevation to become the go to anti DS turret.

I always felt the ADS should only have two passenger seats, none if both guns are fit. Its an assault craft, so only needs its gunners or a couple specialized units to drop. Its always stepped on the heels of transport ships, something an assault craft shouldn't be doing.

But as far as elevatuon goes Godin is right, there needs to be a fight back option for HAVs Vs. The ADS. Once you get within a cerrtain range the tank has tito hide ubunder a building or be annihilated.

Annihilated very slowly... Interesting story, I scared off a multi-turret incubus yesterday... With a militia fit Sica... Out on a road.

I didn't even have to use one of the shield boosters.


So no, you don't have to hide or be annihilated, unless you lack a brain. Some of us enjoy these fights with dropships and don't want it made easier. The same as some of us don't want jihad jeeps removed, because they are entertaining to deal with.

We've tried the lower flight ceiling in earlier iterations of the game, it sucks. It makes the already hilariously fragile Dropship more fragile. This entire initiative of yours is trying to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. If you want to better engage enemy dropships then fit turrets and run with gunners or pack a sentinel suit and run a forge. Alternatively use the natural cover around the map (Redline, Buildings) to keep yourself safe. Dropship gets bored, flies away, and you can find a better spot to engage it.

Until we get to a point where maps are designed to be much larger, or to where individual infantry can request transport and delivery areas, or to where you can't just teleport anywhere on the map anyway with an uplink, or to where I can't just call in an Onikuma to get my transport needs done much more easily there will almost never be a "need" for a transport focused role in this game. This is why you can count on one hand the number of Myrons or Grimsnes you'll see on any given day. If the ADS is acting like a Gunship this is because it IS a gunship and was DESIGNED to be a gunship. Accept it.

you don't always see them, and if they're above you, they cannot be hit by your turrets.

I've already covered why those things don't work in a balanced situation, and I'm not ******* doing it again.

Maps balance is a thing to be addressed, that is true. That still doesn't Justify the ADS acting as a Gunship.

Broken **** doesn't call for broken **** to balance it. That just leads to more broken ****. Are you saying that broken **** needs to stay in the game?

And lastly, I've pretty much suggested all of these things, and it's primary function is to transport. You deal with it..

To "address" map balance you'd have to redesign the majority of the maps in the game. It's not a feasible solution to the overarching problem the game has with transport roles or transport centered vehicles being pointless. There's nothing wrong or inherently broken about an ADS being a Gunship.

And as I said to you in the last thread, the primary function of the Assault Dropship is not something that's up to you to decide and if the in game description of the ADS is anything to go by ...

"The Assault Class (Dropship) is a low level aerial attack craft. Its light frame makes it highly maneuverable while the front mounted pilot controlled turret gives it a significant advantage in aerial engagements"

They're provably NOT intended to be a primarily transport focused vehicle. They are meant to kill people, they have a bonus to the power of their turret in order to kill people better. That is what they accomplish.

Didn't read anything in your proposal that claries anyhing.

Your still hooked up on semantics.

You still believe ADS are not gunships and shouldn't go after Tanks.

But. Tanks by the same vien are not mobile Anti Air Platforms.

Since Tanks are not Anti Air Platforms, then they shouldn't be going after Dropships.