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Posted - 2015.02.11 04:16:00 -
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Hey guys. Thought I'd post up this thread for any new Logi's out there who need help. Who better to help you out than me? ![Smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png)
I'll keep this thread up for those seeking knowledge into the ways of true logistics (it's more than just a rep tool). Being on the highly competitive end of Planetary Conquest since it's inception into the game, I've gotten to lead and fight the best players in Molden Heath. I see a lot of players asking for help in logistics, and lead astray by players with limited knowledge and skill into this vastly diverse occupation in the game. You want to know how to give your slayers the sharpest edge on the field and still be at the top of the list? Come to me.![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png)
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Posted - 2015.02.11 04:51:00 -
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Hell yea |
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Posted - 2015.02.11 05:31:00 -
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Ghostt shadoww says he is the best logi in the game, what do you have to say about this?
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Posted - 2015.02.11 05:43:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Ghostt shadoww says he is the best logi in the game, what do you have to say about this?
Imma let him answer but Road K1ll is the best logi in the game.
Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty hipster!
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Posted - 2015.02.11 06:56:00 -
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How much range does a proto rep tool have on a maxed out minlogi? What are some good low slot choices? |
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xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx
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Posted - 2015.02.11 09:38:00 -
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TheOtherCheek TurnIt wrote:How much range does a proto rep tool have on a maxed out minlogi? What are some good low slot choices?
Here we go. I placed the specs for you with range and dropsuit reps with the min logi bonus.
Minmatar Logistic Dropsuit w/ Racial Statistical Bonus:
Core Rep tool: Range: 22.5m Repair rate on Dropsuit: 87.5HP/s
Lai Dai Rep Tool: Range: 33.75m Repair Rate on Dropsuit: 87.5HP/s
Six Kin Rep Tool: Range:22.5m Repair Rate on Dropsuit: 110 HP/s
Rep Boundless Rep Tool: Range: 30m Repair Rate on Dropsuit: 112.5 HP/s
Core Focus Rep Tool: Range: 11.25m Repair Rate on Dropsuit: 156.25HP/s
With these bonuses in mind, your low slot choices should dictate around the advantage of the rep tool. Build around that starting as your foundation for the suit. Speed is always a plus. With 4 highs and 4 lows, you'll get a balanced outlook on the game. I personally like to go with moderate speed with enough tank to stay in the fight with my heavies. At the same time I still want to be mobile should I need to retreat and or engage in combat. One complex kin-Cat with two complex reactive plates, finished with a simple basic plate, will give you enough armor and reps (assuming you've maxed out all CPU and PG space as well) to fit your suit with over 700+HP combined with shield selection, as well as all proto equipment.
Hope this helps you out bud o/![Bear](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_bear.png)
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Posted - 2015.02.11 09:45:00 -
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TheOtherCheek TurnIt wrote:How much range does a proto rep tool have on a maxed out minlogi? What are some good low slot choices? Sixkin 22.5 meters boundless 30 meters core focus 11.25 meters the rest don't matter
and for low slots I like kincats and ferroscales![Smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile.png) |
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Posted - 2015.02.11 09:57:00 -
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whats is your best method would u say that u deal with scouts |
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Posted - 2015.02.11 10:25:00 -
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Match Omega wrote:whats is your best method would u say that u deal with scouts
When it comes to being a Logi, by far you are the easiest target to hit. Recently with the min assault stepping in place for many former scouts, high DPS I find seems to put them down fairly easy. In a tight CQC, I use shotguns and maybe a mass driver for the ones performing hit and run tactic. It's hard for them to escape the splash. Even a militia or basic is good enough. The best scouts in this game tend to use speed. Combine that with an SSD hardrive, and your looking at a demon. Stay alert and crack them with 2 concise chest shots and they're done. Once they start spamming RE's, then you've got them beat. The mass driver is the winner in this situation. Just sweep everything out the way.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 10:42:00 -
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Match Omega wrote:whats is your best method would u say that u deal with scouts never run around by yourself. in pubs gallogi and scanner, or squad with people who have maxed scans if you haven't maxed out gallogi or are other race. know what scouts do too, where they usually flank from, after awhile you can sense them because they do the same old **** all the time. if you are an amarr logi run with with a PLC and a BP, the high alpha damage makes scouts instantly fuk off. there is no way to completely avoid scouts because 80% of people run them, one thing you can also do if you are solo is get an uplink up high where scouts can't easily get to so while you are repping blues at an objective or something other blues can spawn in. also, squad with people who play aggressive. trust me, i'm also the best logi in the game ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) |
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Posted - 2015.02.11 10:53:00 -
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so then what is required to be the best logi in the game? |
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Match Omega wrote:so then what is required to be the best logi in the game? dik riding
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hold that wrote:Match Omega wrote:so then what is required to be the best logi in the game? dik riding lol |
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Match Omega wrote:hold that wrote:Match Omega wrote:so then what is required to be the best logi in the game? dik riding lol but I do believe if worded differently it would not be far from the truth Gungame, and knowing when to use it. I know some great logis, who consistantly score high in pubs, but couldn't shoot their way out of a paperbag. Sad truth is, most of these guys dont fare well in PC. A rep tool doesn't kill enemies. If you can down some reds and revive and rep the blues after, that's what seperates the men from the boys.
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P14GU3 wrote:Match Omega wrote:hold that wrote:Match Omega wrote:so then what is required to be the best logi in the game? dik riding lol but I do believe if worded differently it would not be far from the truth Gungame, and knowing when to use it. I know some great logis, who consistantly score high in pubs, but couldn't shoot their way out of a paperbag. Sad truth is, most of these guys dont fare well in PC. A rep tool doesn't kill enemies. If you can down some reds and revive and rep the blues after, that's what seperates the men from the boys. not really men from the boys but the protos from the professionals ![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png) |
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Posted - 2015.02.11 11:38:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Match Omega wrote:hold that wrote:Match Omega wrote:so then what is required to be the best logi in the game? dik riding lol but I do believe if worded differently it would not be far from the truth Gungame, and knowing when to use it. I know some great logis, who consistantly score high in pubs, but couldn't shoot their way out of a paperbag. Sad truth is, most of these guys dont fare well in PC. A rep tool doesn't kill enemies. If you can down some reds and revive and rep the blues after, that's what seperates the men from the boys. yeah man that's why i think that amarr and gal logis are the best ones. |
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Posted - 2015.02.11 13:48:00 -
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*Irish accent*
You like dags?.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 14:20:00 -
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Is it true that if humans didn't take it every time you tried to eat it, that your diet would consist entirely of yogurt?
Ebola makes me feel all warm and squishy inside.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 15:16:00 -
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TerranKnight87 wrote:*Irish accent*
You like dags?. "Oh you mean dogs.."
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Posted - 2015.02.11 15:19:00 -
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@ 0.55 onwards lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSnua3M2lo
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Posted - 2015.02.11 17:33:00 -
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Match Omega wrote:so then what is required to be the best logi in the game?
Being the best Logi in the game is based on factors that separate you from the pack. Yet, for almost all, its personal opinion and favoritism of those who really are just sub-par. Most Logi's have a horrid overall K/D ratio. Since 1.8 in Uprising, my K/D dropped from a 4.0 to right below 3.0 currently due to game changes. I found that in doing PC of course, you'll find the most interesting and innovative tacticians. However The only "Logi" I found that was on par with myself in terms of generally gearing out 3500+ WP a PC match on a consistent basis while leading an entire 16 man unit during a highly contested fight, has only been myself and Reiselia from 0.H. back in her corps glory days. I have yet to meet another Logi other than her could multi-task a battle logistically the way I have. Back when I used to lead Gunfall Mobilization against Quickgloves in STB and DDB (1.4-1.6 UR), under my command we locked out QG and Jk40's team for about 4 weeks from district 2 on Skarkon 2. OSG had just lost their remaining districts, and my guys were the only ones left with any territory. We won about 75% of our engagements and prevented our district being flipped, until they had to come to me for negotiations. Upon which in the later days the district would be lost due to CCP's game defaults by DC'ing everyone but 6 players from the match on GF side. In FA's defining moment in single handedly taking on what would be later known as DNS, Zatara picked me up into the corp right at the start of the war. At first I had to earn my way into the squads of my choice. Once I got in we were able to form, in my opinion, the greatest PC team to ever play Dust. In one month alone, every district that was attacked by DNS was successfully defended... for over a month (we owned 16 at the time). Forcing Kain and Cubs to come to Zatara and broker a deal. Which we took with deception in mind. I feel I was lucky enough to play alongside the best tactical minds who gave me the opportunity to flourish as a logi. Skeletor Voltron and Himiko Kuronaga by far were the best heavies. When you paired them up, it was game over. We all worked together and because of that during DNS wars before and after we joined. 99% of the time I was right at No. 1 on the list with 4000+ WP by the EoM. (**** these guys even trusted me to lead them into many battles which was like amaze-balls). Public matches are... cute. However, the only logi's I would say are worth even the time are PC logi's. Even then most and almost all cannot FC and Logi at the same time effectively. I find that always my biggest challenge when I PC, more-so than the enemy on the other side no matter who they are. If your team is competent enough to get the job done, then you might be able to become the best logi.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 17:40:00 -
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xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx wrote:Match Omega wrote:so then what is required to be the best logi in the game? Being the best Logi in the game is based on factors that separate you from the pack. Yet, for almost all, its personal opinion and favoritism of those who really are just sub-par. Most Logi's have a horrid overall K/D ratio. Since 1.8 in Uprising, my K/D dropped from a 4.0 to right below 3.0 currently due to game changes. I found that in doing PC of course, you'll find the most interesting and innovative tacticians. However The only "Logi" I found that was on par with myself in terms of generally gearing out 3500+ WP a PC match on a consistent basis while leading an entire 16 man unit during a highly contested fight, has only been myself and Reiselia from 0.H. back in her corps glory days. I have yet to meet another Logi other than her could multi-task a battle logistically the way I have. Back when I used to lead Gunfall Mobilization against Quickgloves in STB and DDB (1.4-1.6 UR), under my command we locked out QG and Jk40's team for about 4 weeks from district 2 on Skarkon 2. OSG had just lost their remaining districts, and my guys were the only ones left with any territory. We won about 75% of our engagements and prevented our district being flipped, until they had to come to me for negotiations. Upon which in the later days the district would be lost due to CCP's game defaults by DC'ing everyone but 6 players from the match on GF side. In FA's defining moment in single handedly taking on what would be later known as DNS, Zatara picked me up into the corp right at the start of the war. At first I had to earn my way into the squads of my choice. Once I got in we were able to form, in my opinion, the greatest PC team to ever play Dust. In one month alone, every district that was attacked by DNS was successfully defended... for over a month (we owned 16 at the time). Forcing Kain and Cubs to come to Zatara and broker a deal. Which we took with deception in mind. I feel I was lucky enough to play alongside the best tactical minds who gave me the opportunity to flourish as a logi. Skeletor Voltron and Himiko Kuronaga by far were the best heavies. When you paired them up, it was game over. We all worked together and because of that during DNS wars before and after we joined. 99% of the time I was right at No. 1 on the list with 4000+ WP by the EoM. (**** these guys even trusted me to lead them into many battles which was like amaze-balls). Public matches are... cute. However, the only logi's I would say are worth even the time are PC logi's. Even then most and almost all cannot FC and Logi at the same time effectively. I find that always my biggest challenge when I PC, more-so than the enemy on the other side no matter who they are. If your team is competent enough to get the job done, then you might be able to become the best logi.
Yup I remember those days lol that was when PC was brand new.
Gunfall had split a planet with Zion TCD.. good times.
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xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx wrote:Combine that with an SSD hardrive, and your looking at a demon.
Why do you say SSD makes a difference?
At the start of matches, sure....but I'm at a loss to explain any in-game difference...thus the question. |
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Orion Sanjeet wrote:Is it true that if humans didn't take it every time you tried to eat it, that your diet would consist entirely of yogurt?
Lol. My fridge is stuffed with Yoplait... But because of Nani... not me of course...![Straight](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_straight.png)
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Posted - 2015.02.11 18:11:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx wrote:Combine that with an SSD hardrive, and your looking at a demon. Why do you say SSD makes a difference? At the start of matches, sure....but I'm at a loss to explain any in-game difference...thus the question.
Solid State Hard-drives give players a faster play rate due to the immense complexity of what the game delivers in terms of customization. Every match you play includes the market, all of your drop suits, chat channels, etc. Now multiply that by 32 mercs and here comes the lag. PS3 is no more different than a computer. So if you have a faster processor to deal with the game, your in an overall better "state" lol.![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png)
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Posted - 2015.02.11 18:24:00 -
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Not in my experience, having played extensively with and without an SSD and knowing a bit how computers like the PS3 work.
Said a bit differently, while playing the game (i.e. not looking at your suits), there is virtually no difference in game performance (i.e. frame rate) between the two.
Said even more directly: The game isn't reading disk much during a battle, and thus any performance gains are minimal.
Loading the game? Sure! Moving between your quarters and the warbarge? Absolutely. In the battle? Not as best as I can tell.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 18:32:00 -
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Is it racist to assume that rabbits like carrots and am I a horrible person for doing so?
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Posted - 2015.02.11 18:41:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Not in my experience, having played extensively with and without an SSD and knowing a bit how computers like the PS3 work.
Said a bit differently, while playing the game (i.e. not looking at your suits), there is virtually no difference in game performance (i.e. frame rate) between the two.
Said even more directly: The game isn't reading disk much during a battle, and thus any performance gains are minimal.
Loading the game? Sure! Moving between your quarters and the warbarge? Absolutely. In the battle? Not as best as I can tell -- outside of the time of initial rendering of certain sockets which doesn't affect game play one iota.
If you have direct experience to the contrary, I'm all ears!
Why the eye roll?
Example. Outer Heaven to my knowledge has the most players with SSD. In PC they will always get to the points before anyone else UNLESS we send players with the same advantages to counter them.
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Agreed 100%. It gives you about 5 seconds spawn advantage.
Beyond that.... I've really struggled to see any performance gain. |
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Agreed 100%. It gives you about 5 seconds spawn advantage....and, like you guys, we've been forced to counter the same thing.
Beyond that.... I've really struggled to see any performance gain.
I'm open to the idea, but I've simply not seen it nor heard of it in my discussions with other players...which is why I reacted the way that I did upon reading your note.
Tested this on multiple occassions. You get a 1.5 second at best lead. There is a hold function on spawn in that got rid of the "squad leader spawning 5 secs earlier" problem too. |
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