DUST Search - Really starting to hate the WP minimum...

DDx77 wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Nothing like running ADV/Proto gear against a proto-stomp team in Ambush only to come out with 125 WP and not get any SP for the match.

Just shelling out ISK for nothing at this point.

I generally have three frontline suits with different roles and I usually can get a minimum 500wp a match

I have one with uplinks, and two others with a rep tool ( long and short range weapon)

You can do this with all militia gear (uplinks,nanohives,rep tool)

If you experiment with the medic or anti- armor frontline fit you can make yourself a very effective fit that will help make a ton of isk- it's like a poor mans apex suit

Even when your team is getting blown out, you should check the map and deploy uplinks and/or nanohives where you think they will best help your team and not get discovered by the enemy

Use the rep tool when your shields/armor are recovering. So attack, fallback, rep tool/recover, attack when back to decent health

The other benefit of using frontlines this way is that you can experiment with other weaponry and playstyles with very low risk

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Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8532	Posted - 2015.02.08 19:05:00 - [1] - Quote Nothing like running ADV/Proto gear against a proto-stomp team in Ambush only to come out with 125 WP and not get any SP for the match. Just shelling out ISK for nothing at this point. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 7144	Posted - 2015.02.08 19:17:00 - [2] - Quote git gud CBM EVE, Dust & Corp Services Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 688	Posted - 2015.02.08 19:19:00 - [3] - Quote The obvious solution to this is stop playing ambush alone. The best way to earn ISK and SP is shooting at enemy vehicles. I bagged 580k ISK once camping a tower with an Ishukone assault forge gun trololol. Found my favorite DJ - ATB
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8534	Posted - 2015.02.08 19:20:00 - [4] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: git gud Don't troll, Viktor, you're really bad at it. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8534	Posted - 2015.02.08 19:23:00 - [5] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: The obvious solution to this is stop playing ambush alone. The best way to earn ISK and SP is shooting at enemy vehicles. I bagged 580k ISK once camping a tower with an Ishukone assault forge gun trololol. The obvious solution is that if a player invests effort into a full game, even at extreme odds, he should be rewarded... The solution to being rewarded progression for playing the game should not come from being forced to play with a squad or using gameplay gimmicks to guarantee that you meet the minimum to receive rewards that you would not have received under normal play. This is not good game design and it punishes players without reason for circumstances beyond their control. EDIT: And if it is a "solution", then my next proposition would be to have players automatically be placed in squads upon joining a match like they did in Chromosome. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 712	Posted - 2015.02.08 19:30:00 - [6] - Quote Should get more wp for downing a proto suit with a lesser suit. Should get less wp for downing a militia suit with a proto suit. This would soon get the better players using noobier gear... Or just whining on the forums!
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15517	Posted - 2015.02.08 19:31:00 - [7] - Quote lolwat? My brother AFKs in bush while playing CoD on the other PS3 and he still makes enough WP to get the ISK/SP. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8534	Posted - 2015.02.08 19:32:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: lolwat? My brother AFKs in bush while playing CoD on the other PS3 and he still makes enough WP to get the ISK/SP. Video or it didn't happen. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 969	Posted - 2015.02.08 19:54:00 - [9] - Quote Today during a skirmish I got 148 WP as a NDS pilot. I was busy all match, got a couple transport assists and even 3 kill assists from blueberry gunners (these are seldom!). 0 SP payout.
deezy dabest 2142	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:00:00 - [10] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: git gud Don't troll, Viktor, you're really bad at it. I dont think that was a troll that was just a statement that you need to improve your abilities.

Varoth Drac State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 582	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:01:00 - [11] - Quote I seem to remember an interesting system in world of Warcraft for dealing with pvp rewards where some have s clear advantage over others. I think it was some kind of ranking system other than level, and you only got rewarded for killing higher ranked people, the more difference in rank the more reward, or something like that. I wonder if we could have a similar system. So stompers wouldn't get sp for killing noobs, but if anyone kills a stomper they get a large reward. All based upon a ranking system similar to mu. Maybe the mu itself?
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8534	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:03:00 - [12] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: I seem to remember an interesting system in world of Warcraft for dealing with pvp rewards where some have s clear advantage over others. I think it was some kind of ranking system other than level, and you only got rewarded for killing higher ranked people, or something like that. I wonder if we could have a similar system. So stompers wouldn't get sp for killing noobs, but if anyone kills a stomper they get a large reward. All based upon a ranking system similar to mu. Maybe the mu itself? Would work if there were any way to dictate who you fought against but there's no way to do that, so it'd just be frustrating to be pitted up a team of newer players because the battle finder decided you should be. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 714	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:03:00 - [13] - Quote I gotta ask... Are these full matches that people are failing to get over 150 wp? Even vs protato squads you should be getting more than that. Think about it, your team is dying (probably a lot) just put some useful spawn points down, or sneak about and hack stuff.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8534	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:04:00 - [14] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: git gud Don't troll, Viktor, you're really bad at it. I dont think that was a troll that was just a statement that you need to improve your abilities. No, it's trolling because Viktor of all people, by now, should understand that this game doesn't always work out in your favor. Battle finder or otherwise. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8534	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:05:00 - [15] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: I gotta ask... Are these full matches that people are failing to get over 150 wp? Even vs protato squads you should be getting more than that. Think about it, your team is dying (probably a lot) just put some useful spawn points down, or sneak about and hack stuff. I'm pretty sure if a guy has time to die five or more times in a match, he's been there for a healthy duration. Just saying. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
deezy dabest 2142	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:05:00 - [16] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: I gotta ask... Are these full matches that people are failing to get over 150 wp? Even vs protato squads you should be getting more than that. Think about it, your team is dying (probably a lot) just put some useful spawn points down, or sneak about and hack stuff. I have had matches where solo i only barely hit 150. In a 50 man ambush when the smart deploy is being instanly stomped it is hard to even get a shot out little less drop an uplink that stays alive long enough for a spawn.
DDx77 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 125	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:14:00 - [17] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Nothing like running ADV/Proto gear against a proto-stomp team in Ambush only to come out with 125 WP and not get any SP for the match. Just shelling out ISK for nothing at this point. I generally have three frontline suits with different roles and I usually can get a minimum 500wp a match I have one with uplinks, and two others with a rep tool ( long and short range weapon) You can do this with all militia gear (uplinks,nanohives,rep tool) If you experiment with the medic or anti- armor frontline fit you can make yourself a very effective fit that will help make a ton of isk- it's like a poor mans apex suit Even when your team is getting blown out, you should check the map and deploy uplinks and/or nanohives where you think they will best help your team and not get discovered by the enemy Use the rep tool when your shields/armor are recovering. So attack, fallback, rep tool/recover, attack when back to decent health The other benefit of using frontlines this way is that you can experiment with other weaponry and playstyles with very low risk Boosting : Allowing the server to protect people from other countries from taking damage
Obliv Shining Flame Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:15:00 - [18] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Nothing like running ADV/Proto gear against a proto-stomp team in Ambush only to come out with 125 WP and not get any SP for the match. Just shelling out ISK for nothing at this point. Under current mechanics, none of these people would have received SP: http://i.imgur.com/x5zqCs0.png http://i.imgur.com/r1OsMSi.png Uplinks. These forum guys recommended them and I tried and got top 3 in a few matches.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8534	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:17:00 - [19] - Quote DDx77 wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Nothing like running ADV/Proto gear against a proto-stomp team in Ambush only to come out with 125 WP and not get any SP for the match. Just shelling out ISK for nothing at this point. I generally have three frontline suits with different roles and I usually can get a minimum 500wp a match I have one with uplinks, and two others with a rep tool ( long and short range weapon) You can do this with all militia gear (uplinks,nanohives,rep tool) If you experiment with the medic or anti- armor frontline fit you can make yourself a very effective fit that will help make a ton of isk- it's like a poor mans apex suit Even when your team is getting blown out, you should check the map and deploy uplinks and/or nanohives where you think they will best help your team and not get discovered by the enemy Use the rep tool when your shields/armor are recovering. So attack, fallback, rep tool/recover, attack when back to decent health The other benefit of using frontlines this way is that you can experiment with other weaponry and playstyles with very low risk Why in god's name would I use Frontline suits when I have several suits at Proto x3 Sarcasm aside, I also don't think a player should be shoe-horned into fulfilling a Logi role in order to feel they need to hit their minimum to receive SP. The fact of the matter is that if you can't hit the minimum without having to change your gameplay in Ambush, then the minimum is too high or should be done away with all together. The question you have to ask is: What meaningful function does the WP Minimum implement? What is it supposed to do, who is it supposed to affect, and who gets caught the crossfire unnecessarily? If the WP Minimum was implemented to keep people from AFKing, then Ambush shouldn't be in the equation because it's nigh impossible to AFK through an Ambush. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
deezy dabest 2142	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:17:00 - [20] - Quote Obliv wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Nothing like running ADV/Proto gear against a proto-stomp team in Ambush only to come out with 125 WP and not get any SP for the match. Just shelling out ISK for nothing at this point. Under current mechanics, none of these people would have received SP: http://i.imgur.com/x5zqCs0.png http://i.imgur.com/r1OsMSi.png Uplinks. These forum guys recommended them and I tried and got top 3 in a few matches. Uplinks are great and all until you go up against a true proto stomp where they are scanning them down and slapping everyone up. A 50 man ambush gives an average of 3 clones per person. When the enemy is on top of your smart deploy that is almost literally gone in the blink of an eye.

SagaB Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 137	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:24:00 - [21] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Obliv wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Nothing like running ADV/Proto gear against a proto-stomp team in Ambush only to come out with 125 WP and not get any SP for the match. Just shelling out ISK for nothing at this point. Under current mechanics, none of these people would have received SP: http://i.imgur.com/x5zqCs0.png http://i.imgur.com/r1OsMSi.png Uplinks. These forum guys recommended them and I tried and got top 3 in a few matches. Uplinks are great and all until you go up against a true proto stomp where they are scanning them down and slapping everyone up. A 50 man ambush gives an average of 3 clones per person. When the enemy is on top of your smart deploy that is almost literally gone in the blink of an eye. In the beginning of an ambush you sprint the hell away from your team and hopefully the opposite direction from the stomping team. With enough distance from active scanners, drop uplinks far away but flanking the steamroll. Collect WP.
Sleepy Shadow Qualified Scrub 257	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:30:00 - [22] - Quote You think that's bad? Check this out : / WP requirement should be removed for Ambush. ItGÇÖs fine for Skirmish and Domination which are favoured by the AFK community anyway. =ƒÿ¦
deezy dabest 2143	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:32:00 - [23] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: You think that's bad? Check this out : / WP requirement should be removed for Ambush. ItGÇÖs fine for Skirmish and Domination which are favoured by the AFK community anyway. Thats exactly what everyone is talking about. It also happens to be the people that most people are likely referring too.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8537	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:32:00 - [24] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: You think that's bad? Check this out : / WP requirement should be removed for Ambush. ItGÇÖs fine for Skirmish and Domination which are favoured by the AFK community anyway. LMFAO!!! Well, maybe your entire team should "git gud scrub". Because lord knows you totally could have turned that around if you had just an ounce more "skillz" Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Sleepy Shadow Qualified Scrub 257	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:38:00 - [25] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Sleepy Shadow wrote: You think that's bad? Check this out : / WP requirement should be removed for Ambush. ItGÇÖs fine for Skirmish and Domination which are favoured by the AFK community anyway. LMFAO!!! Well, maybe your entire team should "git gud scrub". Because lord knows you totally could have turned that around if you had just an ounce more "skillz" I know, so ashamed for not being better (._. ) =ƒÿ¦
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 626	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:42:00 - [26] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Nothing like running ADV/Proto gear against a proto-stomp team in Ambush only to come out with 125 WP and not get any SP for the match. Just shelling out ISK for nothing at this point. Under current mechanics, none of these people would have received SP: http://i.imgur.com/x5zqCs0.png http://i.imgur.com/r1OsMSi.png http://i.imgur.com/XIbZFiZ.png YOU -WILL- READ THE BELOW BEFORE MAKING COMMENTS The question you have to ask is: What meaningful function does the WP Minimum implement? What is it supposed to do, who is it supposed to affect, and who gets caught the crossfire unnecessarily? If the WP Minimum was implemented to keep people from AFKing, then Ambush shouldn't be in the equation because it's nigh impossible to AFK through an Ambush. YOU -WILL- READ THE ABOVE BEFORE MAKING COMMENTS The main purpose of the minimum WP limit is to target AFK:ers. However, there were concerns raised about the minimum WP limit affecting different game modes differently, with Ambush as a clear example. I recommended to initially wait to implement the minimum limit, until we know how the system behaves for newbs and vets....but here we are I guess. However with that said, unless you know the lifetime SP of the people you listed, and the secret "VET threshold" CCP implemented, there is no way you can state those people didn't get any SP, since the minimum WP requirement only applies to VETs. Although you got 0 SP, you still got ISK and salvage, right? So you can't say you got nothing (At least I did when I didn't met the requirements) And ask yourself, how much SP would you really have gotten from 125WP? Compare that to your lifetime SP, and you will see that it really doesn't matter. On the bright side, when you DO get a lot of WP as a VET, you see the SP roll in as never before. (Overall I think it's evens out)
Raiden246 State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:59:00 - [27] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Atiim wrote: lolwat? My brother AFKs in bush while playing CoD on the other PS3 and he still makes enough WP to get the ISK/SP. Video or it didn't happen. Come on man... running the APEX Nomad (Loyalty version) I can get more than 150 warpoints against Nyain San in Ambush. My actual proto fits, 450 or more. Get Good.
The Eristic Dust 90210 787	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:59:00 - [28] - Quote It's a painfully myopic system regardless of game mode, honestly. There are plenty of noobs that do just as poorly in Skirm/Dom (especially in meat grinder maps), and given the time investment, to receive nothing there is even worse. Hell, I even had an Ashland Dom recently where I received nothing because I spent the match chasing a proto sniper and a tank around the map to keep them from focusing on the letter. Only 125 points, but effectively shut down two potentially powerful enemy assets for the entire game. It's the kind of job somebody has to do, but people definitely won't if they get no reward for it. Hitting my WP threshold should never be a concern, only what needs to be done to help my team try to win. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 143	Posted - 2015.02.08 21:02:00 - [29] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Nothing like running ADV/Proto gear against a proto-stomp team in Ambush only to come out with 125 WP and not get any SP for the match. Just shelling out ISK for nothing at this point. Under current mechanics, none of these people would have received SP: http://i.imgur.com/x5zqCs0.png http://i.imgur.com/r1OsMSi.png http://i.imgur.com/XIbZFiZ.png YOU -WILL- READ THE BELOW BEFORE MAKING COMMENTS The question you have to ask is: What meaningful function does the WP Minimum implement? What is it supposed to do, who is it supposed to affect, and who gets caught the crossfire unnecessarily? If the WP Minimum was implemented to keep people from AFKing, then Ambush shouldn't be in the equation because it's nigh impossible to AFK through an Ambush. YOU -WILL- READ THE ABOVE BEFORE MAKING COMMENTS I was kinda surprised myself. I played a few ambush and got stomped so badly I got isk but no SP.
Raiden246 State of Purgatory General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2015.02.08 21:03:00 - [30] - Quote I do agree this system should be removed, for the sake of the new player (whom apparently Rattati cares about :D )



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