I don't think the SCRs are overpowered, however I do believe that there needs to be a Rifle that can kill Armor just as fast as the Scrambler Rifle can kill Shields.

I don't think the SCRs are overpowered, however I do believe that there needs to be a Rifle that can kill Armor just as fast as the Scrambler Rifle can kill Shields.

Have you seen what a Combat Rifle does to armor?
And before you say it, I've actually seen someone do the math, the killy speed is around the same ever since the ROF got nerfed on the SCR.

Actually the scr even with 2 less paper still does more in general becuse of its profile being +20% to shield and the ar is only +10%

Funny how you bring up bonus damage to shields, yet ignore lost damage to armor. You only look at the side that support your claim, and ignore the side that shows the weapon's weakness.

You're stating the obvious, and most mercs already know all of this. It doesn't change the results. The scrambler is what it is, and that's a better performing rifle than any other in the game. Compare any up or downside of the scrambler to any of the other rifles, and the scrambler still wins due to another advantage somewhere.

obviously you've never fired the Tac AR, or you wouldn't have launched that obvious "tac AR does more dmg" argument. You would know that being overheated for a few seconds is far better than missing half your shots due to kick. Seeing the round land, but getting no dmg to register. If you had ever actually fired the Tac AR you would realize it's still, through all the hotfixes, one of the least used rifles around. It's completely untouched by the PC commuinity.

I don't think the SCRs are overpowered, however I do believe that there needs to be a Rifle that can kill Armor just as fast as the Scrambler Rifle can kill Shields.

Frankly, I'm sick of constantly seeing nerf threads on th subject, so I'm going to try explain a few things.


"The charge shot damage is too high!"
1) The prototype scrambler rifle does 71 damage. A charge shot does 3.5x regular damage, so a charge shot does 248.5 damage. It takes 2 seconds to charge the shot. Factor that seconds in the DPS, and it's a pitiful 124.25 DPS.
2) The heat generated from a charge shot is very punishing, making a missed shot a massive waste, and can lead to death. With Amarr assault level 5, you can fire 13 more shots after a charge shot before overheating. Without Amarr assault, you can only fire 7 regular shots before overheating.

"The regular damage is too high!"
Actually, the tactical assault rifle of the same tier does more damage. The prototype scrambler rifle does 71 damage, and the prototype tactical AR does 73.

"The rate of fire is too too high!"
Actually, the tactical assault rifle has the exact same rate of fire, 600, (with more damage, and no fear of overheat)

"Stop comparing it to the tactical AR, they're totally different, and thus not comparable!"
Considering the tactical AR is a Gallente attempt to mimic the SCR, I say it's a fair comparison.

"Okay, fine they're comparable, but the scrambler rifle has a lot more range than the tactical assault rifle!"
Nope. Look at this thread by Rattati, the second graph. While the damages are no longer relevant, the ranges are still correct. The ranges in the graph are displayed in centimeters instead of meters, but as you can see, the effective range difference is only like 5 meters.

"The +20 to shields / - 20% against armor damage profile is not fair to shields!"
1) That exact damage profile exists for the assault scrambler rifle, the laser rifle, and the scrambler pistol, yet I don't see anyone complaining about these.
2) The explosive damage profile is the exact reverse, with -20% against shields / +20% against armor. Mass drivers, flaylock pistols, remote explosives, and locus grenades are just as biased against armor.

"My parents were killed by a scrambler rifle, and I have sworn revenge against it!"
I know . . . I was the one who killed them that night! I was part of a radical Minmatar organization who grew clones of Amarr citizens so that mercenaries like us can transfer our consciousness and "respawn" into them. We killed the originals while they were on off-world trips, and assumed their identities to gain access to Amarr society. Once we got in with those identities, we plotted to gain access to gain access to Amarr armament facilities, and use those weapons to incur mass casualties on the Amarr population as a means to pressure the local holders (nobles who own slaves) to release our fellow Minmatar from slavery. It was in one of such attacks in which the cell that I belonged to wreaked havoc on the populace, and I killed your parents with a scrambler rifle!

"NOOOOOOOOOO! How could you?! You b*st*rd! You're a monster!!"
That may be so, but the scrambler rifle is not overpowered.

"You think I care about whether some gun is overpowered anymore?! My parents are dead because of you!!"
Look, I'm not going to lie and say I regret the things I've done, and that I'm sorry, because I'm not. In retrospect, the attacks on that Amarr colony didn't accomplish much, but at the time, I thought it was justified, and if I didn't know what I know now, I would have carried out those same actions all over again. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth, and I don't want to insult your intelligence by telling you otherwise. I know this will not be any consolation, but me killing your parents started the chain of events resulting in you becoming an soldier, and later on an immortal mercenary. You kind of owe me for your eternal life.

The blender rifle.

Aka

Minmatar Precision Rifle.

The truth ^ rebuff my scrambler nao.

You mean the -20% to armor that is practically non existent due to the Scramblers damage profile? How many shot does it take to take out 600 armor with a scrambler? Multiply damage against armor by the amount of shots it takes to kill the a 600 armor suit. Know that most armor based suits have little shield. So what, one or two shots to take out a gal assaults 194 shield. Another 6 to 8 for the armor. Let's say 10 to be fair. You still haven't overheated. What are you firing at most armor based suits? 12 shots max?

Shooting at heavies, and complaining about overheat is foolish. The fact that you can take out a heavy without reloading is the definition of OP itself.

You mean the -20% to armor that is practically non existent due to the Scramblers damage profile? How many shot does it take to take out 600 armor with a scrambler? Multiply damage against armor by the amount of shots it takes to kill the a 600 armor suit. Know that most armor based suits have little shield. So what, one or two shots to take out a gal assaults 194 shield. Another 6 to 8 for the armor. Let's say 10 to be fair. You still haven't overheated. What are you firing at most armor based suits? 12 shots max?

Shooting at heavies, and complaining about overheat is foolish. The fact that you can take out a heavy without reloading is the definition of OP itself.

You mean the -20% to armor that is practically non existent due to the Scramblers damage profile? How many shot does it take to take out 600 armor with a scrambler? Multiply damage against armor by the amount of shots it takes to kill the a 600 armor suit. Know that most armor based suits have little shield. So what, one or two shots to take out a gal assaults 194 shield. Another 6 to 8 for the armor. Let's say 10 to be fair. You still haven't overheated. What are you firing at most armor based suits? 12 shots max?

Shooting at heavies, and complaining about overheat is foolish. The fact that you can take out a heavy without reloading is the definition of OP itself.

So hit detection and your own evasion don't factor in? I don't use aim assist and at the ranges battle takes place missing is almost certain. You can strafe thru laser fire and not be damaged. Use your head Noone lands every shot.

Funny how you bring up bonus damage to shields, yet ignore lost damage to armor. You only look at the side that support your claim, and ignore the side that shows the weapon's weakness.

No need to bring up the so called less dps towards armor considering i use the scr currently till i get my respec soon and i can melt a proto amarr,gal,cal and min sentinel no problems the amarr have tons of armor so they can say screw shields for dmods making the armor mean nothing man so stop protecting a weapon that is op and talk about the ar needing alittle more dpc or the rr and arr needing it kicked removed and just having a charge time of 1 full second please and for the cr and acr the cr need alittle less damage and more kick ( used to be full cr know how it is) or less kick and alittle more damage and the basic acr with no skill can melt proto heavys that needs alot of work