Actually I use the tac AR on my Gallente assault alt, and it's pretty kickass and and fun since the buff. It packs a mean punch, and its liberating to not worry about overheat. Kick is MUCH more manageable than your comment suggests. If you're missing half your shots because of kick, then the problem might just be you. Nothing suggest the tac AR has more hit detection issues than the SCR or any other weapon.

Frankly, I'm sick of constantly seeing nerf threads on th subject, so I'm going to try explain a few things.


"The charge shot damage is too high!"
1) The prototype scrambler rifle does 71 damage. A charge shot does 3.5x regular damage, so a charge shot does 248.5 damage. It takes 2 seconds to charge the shot. Factor that seconds in the DPS, and it's a pitiful 124.25 DPS.
2) The heat generated from a charge shot is very punishing, making a missed shot a massive waste, and can lead to death. With Amarr assault level 5, you can fire 13 more shots after a charge shot before overheating. Without Amarr assault, you can only fire 7 regular shots before overheating.

"The regular damage is too high!"
Actually, the tactical assault rifle of the same tier does more damage. The prototype scrambler rifle does 71 damage, and the prototype tactical AR does 73.

"The rate of fire is too too high!"
Actually, the tactical assault rifle has the exact same rate of fire, 600, (with more damage, and no fear of overheat)

"Stop comparing it to the tactical AR, they're totally different, and thus not comparable!"
Considering the tactical AR is a Gallente attempt to mimic the SCR, I say it's a fair comparison.

"Okay, fine they're comparable, but the scrambler rifle has a lot more range than the tactical assault rifle!"
Nope. Look at this thread by Rattati, the second graph. While the damages are no longer relevant, the ranges are still correct. The ranges in the graph are displayed in centimeters instead of meters, but as you can see, the effective range difference is only like 5 meters.

"The +20 to shields / - 20% against armor damage profile is not fair to shields!"
1) That exact damage profile exists for the assault scrambler rifle, the laser rifle, and the scrambler pistol, yet I don't see anyone complaining about these.
2) The explosive damage profile is the exact reverse, with -20% against shields / +20% against armor. Mass drivers, flaylock pistols, remote explosives, and locus grenades are just as biased against armor.

"My parents were killed by a scrambler rifle, and I have sworn revenge against it!"
I know . . . I was the one who killed them that night! I was part of a radical Minmatar organization who grew clones of Amarr citizens so that mercenaries like us can transfer our consciousness and "respawn" into them. We killed the originals while they were on off-world trips, and assumed their identities to gain access to Amarr society. Once we got in with those identities, we plotted to gain access to Amarr armament facilities, and use those weapons to incur mass casualties on the Amarr population as a means to pressure the local holders (nobles who own slaves) to release our fellow Minmatar from slavery. It was in one of such attacks in which the cell that I belonged to wreaked havoc on the populace, and I killed your parents with a scrambler rifle!

"NOOOOOOOOOO! How could you?! You b*st*rd! You're a monster!!"
That may be so, but the scrambler rifle is not overpowered.

"You think I care about whether some gun is overpowered anymore?! My parents are dead because of you!!"
Look, I'm not going to lie and say I regret the things I've done, and that I'm sorry, because I'm not. In retrospect, the attacks on that Amarr colony didn't accomplish much, but at the time, I thought it was justified, and if I didn't know what I know now, I would have carried out those same actions all over again. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth, and I don't want to insult your intelligence by telling you otherwise. I know this will not be any consolation, but me killing your parents started the chain of events resulting in you becoming an soldier, and later on an immortal mercenary. You kind of owe me for your eternal life.

tactical AR and SCR have nowhere near the same rof, i dont care if the stats and devs say they are, if you use them both you can tell theyre miles apart, in fact half the time I think im being shot by an assault scrambler only to see it was a regular in the kill-feed

Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact.

However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles.

If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at.

Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact.

However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles.

If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at.

Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact.

However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles.

If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at.

The biggest problem at the moment is people using mod controller... sadly...

Before I was thee first to say "the scrambler is OP OP OP" but now I've the scrambler, and if you play with the dualshock 3, it's not as easy as we think

dont fix it because its not a problem yet?

what kind of logic is that?


thats like not issuing a vaccine because the disease it prevents isnt an epidemic yet

Use the tac AR with a maxed gal assault + damagers (pretty much the same fit as the amarr+ScR one) and its CQC abilities will be amazing! Yet, no one complained about Tac AR being OP.

Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact.

However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles.

If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at.

Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact.

However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles.

If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at.

Then I have a suggestion:

Make the ScR damage profile to be anti-armor for one day;

Check your so loved data;

• Realize how broken it is and how stupid you've been for basing everything on data.

Frankly, I'm sick of constantly seeing nerf threads on th subject, so I'm going to try explain a few things.


"The charge shot damage is too high!"
1) The prototype scrambler rifle does 71 damage. A charge shot does 3.5x regular damage, so a charge shot does 248.5 damage. It takes 2 seconds to charge the shot. Factor that seconds in the DPS, and it's a pitiful 124.25 DPS.
2) The heat generated from a charge shot is very punishing, making a missed shot a massive waste, and can lead to death. With Amarr assault level 5, you can fire 13 more shots after a charge shot before overheating. Without Amarr assault, you can only fire 7 regular shots before overheating.

"The regular damage is too high!"
Actually, the tactical assault rifle of the same tier does more damage. The prototype scrambler rifle does 71 damage, and the prototype tactical AR does 73.

"The rate of fire is too too high!"
Actually, the tactical assault rifle has the exact same rate of fire, 600, (with more damage, and no fear of overheat)

"Stop comparing it to the tactical AR, they're totally different, and thus not comparable!"
Considering the tactical AR is a Gallente attempt to mimic the SCR, I say it's a fair comparison.

"Okay, fine they're comparable, but the scrambler rifle has a lot more range than the tactical assault rifle!"
Nope. Look at this thread by Rattati, the second graph. While the damages are no longer relevant, the ranges are still correct. The ranges in the graph are displayed in centimeters instead of meters, but as you can see, the effective range difference is only like 5 meters.

"The +20 to shields / - 20% against armor damage profile is not fair to shields!"
1) That exact damage profile exists for the assault scrambler rifle, the laser rifle, and the scrambler pistol, yet I don't see anyone complaining about these.
2) The explosive damage profile is the exact reverse, with -20% against shields / +20% against armor. Mass drivers, flaylock pistols, remote explosives, and locus grenades are just as biased against armor.

"My parents were killed by a scrambler rifle, and I have sworn revenge against it!"
I know . . . I was the one who killed them that night! I was part of a radical Minmatar organization who grew clones of Amarr citizens so that mercenaries like us can transfer our consciousness and "respawn" into them. We killed the originals while they were on off-world trips, and assumed their identities to gain access to Amarr society. Once we got in with those identities, we plotted to gain access to Amarr armament facilities, and use those weapons to incur mass casualties on the Amarr population as a means to pressure the local holders (nobles who own slaves) to release our fellow Minmatar from slavery. It was in one of such attacks in which the cell that I belonged to wreaked havoc on the populace, and I killed your parents with a scrambler rifle!

"NOOOOOOOOOO! How could you?! You b*st*rd! You're a monster!!"
That may be so, but the scrambler rifle is not overpowered.

"You think I care about whether some gun is overpowered anymore?! My parents are dead because of you!!"
Look, I'm not going to lie and say I regret the things I've done, and that I'm sorry, because I'm not. In retrospect, the attacks on that Amarr colony didn't accomplish much, but at the time, I thought it was justified, and if I didn't know what I know now, I would have carried out those same actions all over again. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth, and I don't want to insult your intelligence by telling you otherwise. I know this will not be any consolation, but me killing your parents started the chain of events resulting in you becoming an soldier, and later on an immortal mercenary. You kind of owe me for your eternal life.

The only issue the scr has ever had is the rate at which you can fire with r1 it's a haven for modded pad users... Before someone says it has heat build up so it wouldn't work... You just release r1 before it overheats, if it's fire rate was restricted like the tac ar it would be totally fine.. I think the whole op things comes from players being killed by modded pads, sure I know there are some players who can press R1 super fast bit there are vvv few of them... I used to be super against scr but since I reset skills N switched to gallante armor I realised the reason it's so strong v shields is due to how weak it is v armor.. You gotta play smart as a shield user N especially v an scr

Actually I use the tac AR on my Gallente assault alt, and it's pretty kickass and and fun since the buff. It packs a mean punch, and its liberating to not worry about overheat. Kick is MUCH more manageable than your comment suggests. If you're missing half your shots because of kick, then the problem might just be you. Nothing suggest the tac AR has more hit detection issues than the SCR or any other weapon.

He is on every ScR thread spewing nonsense don't mind that scrub.....

The biggest problem at the moment is people using mod controller... sadly...

Before I was thee first to say "the scrambler is OP OP OP+¬ but now I've the scrambler, and if you play with the dualshock 3, it's not as easy as we think

Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact.

However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles.

If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at.

have you tried the TAR on non gallente assault? it kicks like a mule, if you try to fire as fast as with the SCR you will everything but not your target. just like the SCR alot of potential is wasted if used on non racial assault.

Then I have a suggestion:

Make the ScR damage profile to be anti-armor for one day;

Check your so loved data;

• Realize how broken it is and how stupid you've been for basing everything on data.

Rattati knows what's up.

SEE SLAVES? CCP WILL NEVER NERF OUR HOLY TECH!

ScR has a potential DPS of over 1000 to shields not to mention that shields naturally tank less than armor.

1.You can't include the charge time when figuring DPS. Mercs are charging the shot while taking cover. They are popping out and getting a massive shot off right at the beginning of the engagement. It's not like they're charging the shot while taking fire.

2. The scrambler is great at all ranges due to the low kick. Overheating doesn't matter if you can kill all suits before you overheat.

3. Overall, rifles are pretty close to being balanced and I could live with things the way they are now, but the scrambler is still the most effective riffle is still king and could use a little nerf.

Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact.

However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles.

If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at.

1. lmfao thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard, thats situiational ? cover doesnt autmaticly appear when you are charging you shot? are we supposed to stand out in the open with a weapon that can render us helpless for 5 whole seconds?1

2. CR is King....SCR is overlord...