[quote=Mejt0][To ani-ScR players]
Guess what rifle use 80% of dust vet playerbase.

It's : SixKin Assault Combat Rifle and Boundless Combat Rifle.

Because shield suit users are so used to getting hit with anti-armor weapons that when an anti-shield specialty weapon hits them, they think its OP

You sound the one running your mouth bc yours is just unjustified QQ which has quite nothing to do with my proposition. Than I'd change the damage profile of the ScR to be anti-armor at the cost of the damage profile of the RR/CR to be anti-shields any day, so the point you're making is even more weak.

Because shield suit users are so used to getting hit with anti-armor weapons that when an anti-shield specialty weapon hits them, they think its OP

the ACR is widely used by vets, the regular CR is not because they know that the real RPM of the CR is 857.

Not really. ARs are pretty common and I don't find them to be a big deal, except the breach AR of course. I also don't consider the TAR to be nearly as scary as a ScR.

I don't think the SCRs are overpowered, however I do believe that there needs to be a Rifle that can kill Armor just as fast as the Scrambler Rifle can kill Shields.

Call me crazy, but I still think the ScR should slowly build heat while charging up. It would make players less able to hold the charge indefinitely waiting for the perfect shot. Basically not nerfing the gun too much, but making a tad more skill required to use it properly.


But like Rattati said, until the player base realizes this is the best gun in the game, there's no need to nerf it and scare even more people away from it.

I totaly agree with you.
the Scr 1hit kills my pro cal scout but there's no other weapon that can do the same to an armor based scout.

I totaly agree with you.
the Scr 1hit kills my pro cal scout but there's no other weapon that can do the same to an armor based scout.

The biggest problem at the moment is people using mod controller... sadly...

Before I was thee first to say "the scrambler is OP OP OP+¬ but now I've the scrambler, and if you play with the dualshock 3, it's not as easy as we think

Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact.

However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles.

If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at.

So it's one of those things that stays under the radar until it becomes a "problem" and everyone just accepts or ignores it?

Just like lee sin, it only does everything

Its one of those things that require precision and not spray and pray.....so it will never be an issue and it never was... 85% of you don't have any gun game so I am not worried about it becoming the fotm like the MinAssault.

>implying that the scrambler takes more skill to use than all the other rifles
>implying scrambler spam isn't easy to do

>implying that the scrambler takes more skill to use than all the other rifles
>implying scrambler spam isn't easy to do

guys... please, please read this my post.

Anecdotal evidence man. You don't make a systemic change based solely on anecdotal evidence.
No good.

This is my speed.

Is this weapon supposed to get nerfed, because I happened to have a faster trigger finger than you?
I'm faster than you, so nerf me?

Nah. Man. That was probably one of the most irritating posts I've read in a while.

Here's me doing it again for good measure. Finger is killing me now.

I will take a SCR or a TAR and wreck anyone with it.
That does not mean the gun should nerfed.

If you seriously think your low score on that cheap flash game is reason to rebalance tactical weapon RoF, you are dead wrong, and have a bad case of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

EDIT: I am so looking forward to getting a Tactical Rail Rifle and making people cry with it.

Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact.

However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles.

If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at.

I agree, lets increase SCR usage so that it'll get nerfed.

Notice how you have to use the words imply and not state or quote.... because you are assuming I am implying these things.... you can't say without a doubt that I am saying that... so have fun with your assumptions when you feel like jumping back into reality and saying something of worth feel free to reply lmao <----- you see all that right there ? that translates to SIT DOWN bish!

Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact.

However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles.

If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at.

Scrambler Rifle is the most efficient rifle of them all. That's a fact.

However, due to heat mechanism and most likely the need to skill Amarr Dropsuits to maximize its potential, it is not dominant in Kills compared to other rifles.

If I see a migration of the playerbase over to SCR, so that Kills and efficiency become the highest, it will get looked at.

As for an actual argument, the TAC AR has kick and terrible hip fire, something the scrambler rifle doesn't posses.
The kick on the TAC AR limits the max effective ROF, and the hip fire assures that you can't just spam it in CQC. (Unless you're a Gal Assault, but there are better things for you to do at that point)

Yes I know the SCR has kick, but it only really happens when you spam it hard at max fire rate, and even then by the time it puts you off target you already overheated.

Frankly, I'm sick of constantly seeing nerf threads on th subject, so I'm going to try explain a few things.


"The charge shot damage is too high!"
1) The prototype scrambler rifle does 71 damage. A charge shot does 3.5x regular damage, so a charge shot does 248.5 damage. It takes 2 seconds to charge the shot. Factor that seconds in the DPS, and it's a pitiful 124.25 DPS.
2) The heat generated from a charge shot is very punishing, making a missed shot a massive waste, and can lead to death. With Amarr assault level 5, you can fire 13 more shots after a charge shot before overheating. Without Amarr assault, you can only fire 7 regular shots before overheating.

"The regular damage is too high!"
Actually, the tactical assault rifle of the same tier does more damage. The prototype scrambler rifle does 71 damage, and the prototype tactical AR does 73.

"The rate of fire is too too high!"
Actually, the tactical assault rifle has the exact same rate of fire, 600, (with more damage, and no fear of overheat)

"Stop comparing it to the tactical AR, they're totally different, and thus not comparable!"
Considering the tactical AR is a Gallente attempt to mimic the SCR, I say it's a fair comparison.

"Okay, fine they're comparable, but the scrambler rifle has a lot more range than the tactical assault rifle!"
Nope. Look at this thread by Rattati, the second graph. While the damages are no longer relevant, the ranges are still correct. The ranges in the graph are displayed in centimeters instead of meters, but as you can see, the effective range difference is only like 5 meters.

"The +20 to shields / - 20% against armor damage profile is not fair to shields!"
1) That exact damage profile exists for the assault scrambler rifle, the laser rifle, and the scrambler pistol, yet I don't see anyone complaining about these.
2) The explosive damage profile is the exact reverse, with -20% against shields / +20% against armor. Mass drivers, flaylock pistols, remote explosives, and locus grenades are just as biased against armor.

"My parents were killed by a scrambler rifle, and I have sworn revenge against it!"
I know . . . I was the one who killed them that night! I was part of a radical Minmatar organization who grew clones of Amarr citizens so that mercenaries like us can transfer our consciousness and "respawn" into them. We killed the originals while they were on off-world trips, and assumed their identities to gain access to Amarr society. Once we got in with those identities, we plotted to gain access to Amarr armament facilities, and use those weapons to incur mass casualties on the Amarr population as a means to pressure the local holders (nobles who own slaves) to release our fellow Minmatar from slavery. It was in one of such attacks in which the cell that I belonged to wreaked havoc on the populace, and I killed your parents with a scrambler rifle!

"NOOOOOOOOOO! How could you?! You b*st*rd! You're a monster!!"
That may be so, but the scrambler rifle is not overpowered.

"You think I care about whether some gun is overpowered anymore?! My parents are dead because of you!!"
Look, I'm not going to lie and say I regret the things I've done, and that I'm sorry, because I'm not. In retrospect, the attacks on that Amarr colony didn't accomplish much, but at the time, I thought it was justified, and if I didn't know what I know now, I would have carried out those same actions all over again. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth, and I don't want to insult your intelligence by telling you otherwise. I know this will not be any consolation, but me killing your parents started the chain of events resulting in you becoming an soldier, and later on an immortal mercenary. You kind of owe me for your eternal life.