Nah, I totally get that. It gets really annoying for us swarmmies who take one shot (barely make a dent on some proto ships) and then they fly straight up. Maybe you just need to fly around the map more. Try flying between buildings. *shrugs*

You can say that it's "blatantly untrue" all you want. You're just trying to protect your wp farm. And yeah, they were **** pilots, but putting out that much dps in such a short amount of time from a weapon that was designed to be a deterrent is completely unreasonable. (To clarify, this wasn't one pilot who kept calling in Icububi, this was three guys circling over me trying to kill me at one time)

Because most vehicle players only look at the direct interaction between their vehicle and the swarm launcher.

What these people fail to realize is that running an AV fit is both ineffective (it is unlikely your swarms will kill the dropship if the dropship pilot is paying attention) and also that ALL THE TIME WHEN THE AV PLAYER IS NOT USING HIS SWARMS ON YOU IS TAKEN UP WITH HIM FRANTICALLY AVOIDING AND SCRAMBLING AWAY FROM INFANTRY THAT ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO KILL HIM.

It takes virtually no skill to use a swarm launcher, it takes a great deal of skill to use a swarm launcher fitting.

The correct terminology is "Repel".

Anyway a snippet from another post

In this scenario you've gone from

1 vehicle v 1 swarmer

to

1 vehicle + 15 infantry v 1 swarmer

what are the other 15 guys doing on your team?

Hopefully something useful so that the swarm fit guy can use them to help him out. I didnt say the swarmers blueberries were doing nothing, but if you think active blueberries can save you from getting ganked by random enemies then Im not sure if you're playing the same game as me.

There's no such thing as 1v1 with a tank.
A tank is spotted and engaged by at least 5 people at any one time, regardless of whether they have AV or not.
Many will switch to AV because it's no hassle to do so.

I laugh at the people who cry that they are "unarmed" when they use Swarms. (looks back through thread for a laugh or two)
I use a Scrambler Pistol and Bolt Pistol on a regular basis. If you can actually aim, you can usually kill the people attacking you, because they have to follow you into your range.

True, but a weapon that requires a fraction of the skill and effort probably shouldnt be doing similar amounts of damage. Skill vs skill battles are fun and balanced. Taking guaranteed damage because someone looked up....less so.

Ive never claimed that swarm users are unarmed, but if you think people fighting with sidearms are on an even level with people using light anti infantry weapons, you're not just wrong, you're mathematically wrong.

Even the commando has to deal with having a slow, squishy, easy to scan suit to gain the ability to run an AV suit with a light weapon.

AV is at a big disadvantage to normal infantry.

Anyone who says they arent are insane.

Anyone who says they are completely helpless is also insane.

I wish ADS pilots weren't whiny babies. But we can't all get what we want.

and i wish you as part of the cpm would look into it, to see if there is anything to make it a balanced ordeal.

That's why its best to pair swarms with a scout suit, sneak around and get first mover advantage

or a commando suit and switch to your other weapon

Why does every weapon need to have high skill requirements? After all user friendliness is it's own balancing and variety aspect.

Last I checked derpships were still getting killed by RDVs, invisible walls/objects, null cannon missiles, MCC missiles, passive aggro blaster installations....

doesnt sound like hovering and killing everything.

I think the issue is sort of like scans. Either swarms get in hits or they dont. If they don't dropships will always escape death, if they do Swarms have an abnormally high likleyhood of landing a kill. There is no grey area where either swarmer skill or dropship pilot skill will be able to negate one another.

With the lock on style we have, Pilots aren't fightig the swarmer, they are fighting against A.I missiles in flight, that do 90% of the work. Swarmers root for the missile, and when the AI wins, they feel like they won, and the pilot feels cheated.

Even if pilots had flares, the swarmer would feel cheated because he could do everything right the AI still wont land a hit.

We should try to come up with some middle ground so that swarmers and pilots have a fighting chance that is within thier control and not th A.I. instead of, frankly, snitching about swarms or that once upon a time where an XT1 landed on your head.

Core Mechanics have got to be tweaked before this issue can be resolved.

Ive never claimed that swarm users are unarmed, but if you think people fighting with sidearms are on an even level with people using light anti infantry weapons, you're not just wrong, you're mathematically wrong.

Even the commando has to deal with having a slow, squishy, easy to scan suit to gain the ability to run an AV suit with a light weapon.

AV is at a big disadvantage to normal infantry.

Anyone who says they arent are insane.

Anyone who says they are completely helpless is also insane.

[quote=Lazer Fo Cused]
Sir that is clear nonsense mock the SL as you will for whatever perceived reason you believe but sl's do fail and in many ways the forge is just as easy to use.

When i fight a good forge gunner, its heart pounding. I see that glow on the ground and instantly take evasive action. I drop elevation, twist to the side, pop my AB and rotate up and sideways to roll over his first shot. It misses, i get two seconds to apply some damage, then i punch straight up while leaning forward. He connects and my ship lists to one side. Doin a full barrel roll with the impact, i quickly drop towards the ground, shaking his third shot as i haul ass away. Over 300 meters out, still flying eradically, he manages to hit me, and i silently compliment his tremendous aim and tenacity.

Swarms? I punch my AB and run full speed away, STILL getting hit.

Forge gunners, thank you for remaining and reminding us all what it means to be skilled at AV

I wish ADS pilots weren't whiny babies. But we can't all get what we want.

I wish ADS pilots weren't whiny babies. But we can't all get what we want.

I know youre incapable of putting forth a thought out argument

the irony is strong here... you get what you seed out, karma strikes back... I have yet to see something else than whining from pilots.

Thats because all legiimate concerns fulter through your lite heads as whining.

Its not our fault you cant grasp the concepts at hand

NOTHING goes over my head!... My reflexes are too fast, I would catch it.