DUST Search - Shield tankers vs Armor tankers,

Vesta Opalus wrote:

Scrambler and Laser rifles have some of the highest damage profiles in the game, some of the highest damage outputs in the game, and are intended to be used against the lowest EHP suits in the game.

Im not sure why people think this is OK, these things need their profiles tightened up so that they dont make shield tanking impossible.

People want to complain about combat rifles and rail rifles, but the fact is nobody stops running armor tank fittings when they see some guy with a CR or RR. Nobody gets the heck out of dodge when they see a CR or RR firing nearby. But thats exactly what I have to do if I see a scrambler user who I know can aim. I have to leave if Im shield tanked and go fight somewhere else if I dont want to get wrecked and lose a clone inside of human reaction time.

Other weapons with this kind of damage have actual disadvantages.
Shotgun has short range.
Bolt pistol has very low fire rate, a charge up, and low ammo count/clip.
Sniper rifle is virtually unusable in close combat.
Plasma Cannon is difficult to hit with and has one shot per reload
Forge gun, difficult to hit with and has a long charge up time before firing, plus small clip.

The scrambler and laser has heat buildup, but if you honestly think thats harder to manage than the disadvantages of the other rifle weapons and justify the massive overwhelming instant damage that the weapons can put out that make shield tanking virtually suicidal, you're just crazy or a moron.

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Charli Chaplin jr 1.U.P 24	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:20:00 - [1] - Quote i was just playing dust on the table top map, the enemy team got the objective first. they were all on top of the table top so i tried to go clear the roof. my first attempt failed, I tried to run to the ladder in the west side but when i went up top there was an Ak.0 assault guy that had a viziam SCR. i was using a Ck.0 scout with a boundless CR so i just tried to shoot him. he just charged his gun and he 1hit killed me. And it's the same thing EVERY TIME even when i'm a proto assault Ck.0 they still 3shot me. Tell me 1 gun that can ONE SHOT a proto gallente scout. I find that the RR has been nerfed too much and that the Caldari users have shut their mouth for too long about the SCR's. i think we are taking deaths not because we suck, but because you have no chance to kill a SCR user with a cal scout. Caldari needs a weapon other than the RR to be able to kill an Ak.0 assault user with something else than RE's or Shotguns. just name me 1 CALDARI gun that can 1hit an Ak.0/Gk.0 scout in the body, tell me. ACCEPT YOUR FATE LIKE I ACCEPTED MINE.
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 333	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:22:00 - [2] - Quote Charli Chaplin jr wrote: i was just playing dust on the table top map, the enemy team got the objective first. they were all on top of the table top so i tried to go clear the roof. my first attempt failed, I tried to run to the ladder in the west side but when i went up top there was an Ak.0 assault guy that had a viziam SCR. i was using a Ck.0 scout with a boundless CR so i just tried to shoot him. he just charged his gun and he 1hit killed me. And it's the same thing EVERY TIME even when i'm a proto assault Ck.0 they still 3shot me. Tell me 1 gun that can ONE SHOT a proto gallente scout. I find that the RR has been nerfed too much and that the Caldari users have shut their mouth for too long about the SCR's. i think we are taking deaths not because we suck, but because you have no chance to kill a SCR user with a cal scout. Caldari needs a weapon other than the RR to be able to kill an Ak.0 assault user with something else than RE's or Shotguns. just name me 1 CALDARI gun that can 1hit an Ak.0/Gk.0 scout in the body, tell me. a SG, SCR, bolt pistol, sure there is more but can't be arsed to think for the scout. to be honest i think alot of CK0 assaults are regen built which is great. nothing like charging 50 sheilds per second after less than 2 seconds, obvious drawback scram will eat you! but yea it will not be by 1 bodyshot
Charli Chaplin jr 1.U.P 24	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:25:00 - [3] - Quote But i'm talking about a caldari med range weapon that can 1shot gal/Ar scouts. ikr PLC's and SG's can but they're not med range weapons like the SCR wich makes caldari and minmatar at a disadvantage. ACCEPT YOUR FATE LIKE I ACCEPTED MINE.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1839	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:27:00 - [4] - Quote Charli Chaplin jr wrote: just name me 1 CALDARI gun that can 1hit an Ak.0/Gk.0 scout in the body, tell me. Bolt Pistol
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 333	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:28:00 - [5] - Quote what is your fit?
Charli Chaplin jr 1.U.P 24	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:30:00 - [6] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Charli Chaplin jr wrote: just name me 1 CALDARI gun that can 1hit an Ak.0/Gk.0 scout Bolt Pistol A MED RANGE WEAPON LIKE AR's SCR's etc.. ACCEPT YOUR FATE LIKE I ACCEPTED MINE.
Charli Chaplin jr 1.U.P 24	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:33:00 - [7] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: what is your fit? its alot more relevant that if its a basic or proto suit tbh i used a ck.0 scout with 493 eHP and got 1shotted by a viziam SCR user. i also used a ck.0 assault with a kalakiota RR with prof 4 n skill got fked up by SR/LR users in med range to CQC. ACCEPT YOUR FATE LIKE I ACCEPTED MINE.
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 327	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:34:00 - [8] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Charli Chaplin jr wrote: just name me 1 CALDARI gun that can 1hit an Ak.0/Gk.0 scout Bolt Pistol Forgegun, sniper rifle . Stop complain about shield, what do i have to say about mass driver and flaylock? The KTM DuKe lives here, send a message after the "beep".One of the few vehiculist remained in dust 514
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 333	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:36:00 - [9] - Quote its a one shot per click weapon so the only comparable weapon is the TAC AR as its the only other 1 shot per click rifle. TAC AR pro's no over heat considerably more shots before needing to stop for most people without a turbo contorller neg smaller clip no charge shot
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 333	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:38:00 - [10] - Quote Charli Chaplin jr wrote: taxi bastard wrote: what is your fit? its alot more relevant that if its a basic or proto suit tbh i used a ck.0 scout with 493 eHP and got 1shotted by a viziam SCR user. i also used a ck.0 assault with a kalakiota RR with prof 4 n skill got fked up by SR/LR users in med range to CQC. RR is ment to be the long range rifle, SCR at med range to cqc should beat a sheild RR user

Charli Chaplin jr 1.U.P 24	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:41:00 - [11] - Quote all the guns you named are guns 4 campers and noobs. minmatar has the CR and the HMG but they don't get ****** up by SCR's because they have equal amount of armour and shield + they have speed. the only thing we have as a caldari is 5 high slots and a reload bonus. a ck.0 assault user cannot kill an ak.0 assault with a SCR from med range. but an Ak.0 assault can equip a CR n kill most of the other dropsuits from med range but with a caldari you can't. ACCEPT YOUR FATE LIKE I ACCEPTED MINE.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:42:00 - [12] - Quote ARR will absolutely destroy any armor suit.... its low key op as ****.. but I love it so no complaints here and amarr assaults weakness are....(all because we are slower than dirt) .I'll name them but I don't want to see you using against me but its Sniper, bolt pistol , mass driver ,ARR , Any and every heavy, shotgun scouts that aren't amarr lol....super strafing mk0 assaults and armor tanked gal assaults with breach and damage mods..... Emperor Gucci
Charli Chaplin jr 1.U.P 24	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:49:00 - [13] - Quote All Gucci wrote: ARR will absolutely destroy any armor suit.... its low key op as ****.. but I love it so no complaints here and amarr assaults weakness are....(all because we are slower than dirt) .I'll name them but I don't want to see you using against me but its Sniper, bolt pistol , mass driver ,ARR , Any and every heavy, shotgun scouts that aren't amarr lol....super strafing mk0 assaults and armor tanked gal assaults with breach and damage mods..... Yes but caldari have no weapon that does +15% to armor and -15% to shield. the RR does +10% to armor and -10% to shield and that's what makes it weaker. the SCR also does more dmg and it is more accurate in most cases. ACCEPT YOUR FATE LIKE I ACCEPTED MINE.
Nano Vyper 30	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:02:00 - [14] - Quote Git gud Don't click this Eye bleach
Charli Chaplin jr 1.U.P 24	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:09:00 - [15] - Quote Nano Vyper wrote: Git gud Lol, you were the one crying like a ***** on the forums when the SCR's got nerfed and now you tell me to get good? lol go collect some isk kid and watch your Stats before you tell me to get good. sissy ACCEPT YOUR FATE LIKE I ACCEPTED MINE.
Nano Vyper 30	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:13:00 - [16] - Quote If you're going to attempt to make a comeback at least make sure what you're saying is true. Continue with your scrambler Q.Q cal scout. Of course a scrambler is going to take a dump on you, you're a cal scout. git gud or gtfo Don't click this Eye bleach
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5634	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:23:00 - [17] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Charli Chaplin jr wrote: just name me 1 CALDARI gun that can 1hit an Ak.0/Gk.0 scout Bolt Pistol Assuming it registers. Plus, if they're tanked, they may survive up to 2 shots.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1839	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:27:00 - [18] - Quote Charli Chaplin jr wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Charli Chaplin jr wrote: just name me 1 CALDARI gun that can 1hit an Ak.0/Gk.0 scout Bolt Pistol A MED RANGE WEAPON LIKE AR's SCR's etc.. Hmmm ... Sniper Rifle? That's Caldari tech, and it can definitely OHK Scouts at medium range. Even longer.
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1731	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:37:00 - [19] - Quote You could, oh, I dunno... use a weapon that's not Caldari. No one is going to stop you from putting on a CR, or you could just add a pair of Nova Knives to that fit. A BP or Breach ScP will also make short work on any suit if you can land the headshots. I want to punch.
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2328	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:57:00 - [20] - Quote Charli Chaplin jr wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Charli Chaplin jr wrote: just name me 1 CALDARI gun that can 1hit an Ak.0/Gk.0 scout Bolt Pistol A MED RANGE WEAPON LIKE AR's SCR's etc.. Bolt Pistols have longer damage than ARs. Shoot the Gallente/Amarr Scout in their noggin. Home at Last <3

Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14527	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:33:00 - [21] - Quote This thread amuses me greatly. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14527	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:34:00 - [22] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Charli Chaplin jr wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Charli Chaplin jr wrote: just name me 1 CALDARI gun that can 1hit an Ak.0/Gk.0 scout Bolt Pistol A MED RANGE WEAPON LIKE AR's SCR's etc.. Bolt Pistols have longer damage than ARs. Shoot the Gallente/Amarr Scout in their noggin. Actually their effective range is 4m less than the AR. Not sure about optimal ranges though, you might be right. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 285	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:38:00 - [23] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Charli Chaplin jr wrote: just name me 1 CALDARI gun that can 1hit an Ak.0/Gk.0 scout Bolt Pistol Assuming it registers. Plus, if they're tanked, they may survive up to 2 shots. The shotgun has horrible hit detection but the bolt pistol is way worse. I was one on one with a Cal scout and did zero damage from my shot ISK Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 309	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:49:00 - [24] - Quote Scrambler and Laser rifles have some of the highest damage profiles in the game, some of the highest damage outputs in the game, and are intended to be used against the lowest EHP suits in the game. Im not sure why people think this is OK, these things need their profiles tightened up so that they dont make shield tanking impossible. People want to complain about combat rifles and rail rifles, but the fact is nobody stops running armor tank fittings when they see some guy with a CR or RR. Nobody gets the heck out of dodge when they see a CR or RR firing nearby. But thats exactly what I have to do if I see a scrambler user who I know can aim. I have to leave if Im shield tanked and go fight somewhere else if I dont want to get wrecked and lose a clone inside of human reaction time. Other weapons with this kind of damage have actual disadvantages. Shotgun has short range. Bolt pistol has very low fire rate, a charge up, and low ammo count/clip. Sniper rifle is virtually unusable in close combat. Plasma Cannon is difficult to hit with and has one shot per reload Forge gun, difficult to hit with and has a long charge up time before firing, plus small clip. The scrambler and laser has heat buildup, but if you honestly think thats harder to manage than the disadvantages of the other rifle weapons and justify the massive overwhelming instant damage that the weapons can put out that make shield tanking virtually suicidal, you're just crazy or a moron.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9282	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:50:00 - [25] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Charli Chaplin jr wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Charli Chaplin jr wrote: just name me 1 CALDARI gun that can 1hit an Ak.0/Gk.0 scout Bolt Pistol A MED RANGE WEAPON LIKE AR's SCR's etc.. Bolt Pistols have longer damage than ARs. Shoot the Gallente/Amarr Scout in their noggin. It doesn't help us that the Bolt Pistol hits a target even if you are slightly off target. The pistols hit detection is insane I've been pinned down from 45+ meters with a damn bolt pistol so its definitely a worthy weapon in close and med-long range. Unlike my AR and IP who are stuck in CQC and still get wrecked because we are stuck in the Godmode HMGs firing range and combat rifles that perform better in CQC than some of our range restricted weapons. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2918	Posted - 2015.01.20 18:18:00 - [26] - Quote So, you climbed a ladder in a shield suit and got killed in CQC by a ScR while using the CQC-inferior RR? Sounds about right to me. Next time, even your odds: Engage at distance preferably when he's not looking at you, or use an ARR on an armor suit and watch that armor tanked ScR user struggle to kill you.
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Smart Deploy 155	Posted - 2015.01.20 20:38:00 - [27] - Quote Every suit has its strong point and weak points. my wife has a caldari assault and let me tell you that thing is beast. Well, if you use it right. I'm tempted to build one of my own. That suits advantage is that it has quick shields regen. You can hide for a few seconds and you are back up and running at full health. I love that. She pairs that suit with the ARR and that thing hits like a horny mule on *****. Well, I haven't actually seen a horny mule on ***** but, I can imagine its kick would be devastating to anybody unlucky enough to get in its way. Anyways, The suits has its draw backs and it is not the best suit to have a sustained head to head battle. So, what you do is play that suit like a scout. Run around and flank some fool. Hammer him with the ARR and then run some more so that your shields regen to max again. Rinse and repeat. The Ammar eerrr well, I just don't get the ammar at all. I've tried the scrambler rifle and the ammar assault and I just get hammered left and rights. From afar it must look like a gang bang movie. The only one that i had luck with is the ammar heavy. The scout is ugly and that is reason enough for me not to even try it. The ammar are super slow which means that if they don't have suport they can be quickly taken over. Shoot them a couple of time, hide and shoot them again and that's it . they are dead. The scrambler rifle has that one powerful one shot BBBUUUTTT!!!!!!! it builds a lot of heat and it requires a lot of trigger discipline. You must have the calmness of a budhist Russian on pot to use that riffle which I don't have. If you panic with the SCR you are dead and if you miss that 1st chargd shot more than likely you will overheat and also die. So, the suit and weapon combo is balance. Sure, it hits hard but, cannot sustain a fight for long. Compare to the caldari that can't take too many hits but regens fast making them able to sustain a fight. My analisis of the table top incident is not that your suit is bad or that the SCR is overpower. Its more of a bad strategy. It is a miracle you even made it up the ladder to begin with. I would had waited until my team had an orbital and cleared them that way. Also, the table top gives you the high level advantage enabling you to pick the targets at a distance but, it has the disadvantage of having to get down. If you are able to capture the point then they have no choice but, to jump down which puts them at a disadvantage. On the other hand you could had climbed the other two milk carton looking buildings and use the range of the regular rail rifle to kill them off.
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1552	Posted - 2015.01.20 20:50:00 - [28] - Quote shields are awesome if your run MD.. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Charli Chaplin jr 1.U.P 24	Posted - 2015.01.21 19:18:00 - [29] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Scrambler and Laser rifles have some of the highest damage profiles in the game, some of the highest damage outputs in the game, and are intended to be used against the lowest EHP suits in the game. Im not sure why people think this is OK, these things need their profiles tightened up so that they dont make shield tanking impossible. People want to complain about combat rifles and rail rifles, but the fact is nobody stops running armor tank fittings when they see some guy with a CR or RR. Nobody gets the heck out of dodge when they see a CR or RR firing nearby. But thats exactly what I have to do if I see a scrambler user who I know can aim. I have to leave if Im shield tanked and go fight somewhere else if I dont want to get wrecked and lose a clone inside of human reaction time. Other weapons with this kind of damage have actual disadvantages. Shotgun has short range. Bolt pistol has very low fire rate, a charge up, and low ammo count/clip. Sniper rifle is virtually unusable in close combat. Plasma Cannon is difficult to hit with and has one shot per reload Forge gun, difficult to hit with and has a long charge up time before firing, plus small clip. The scrambler and laser has heat buildup, but if you honestly think thats harder to manage than the disadvantages of the other rifle weapons and justify the massive overwhelming instant damage that the weapons can put out that make shield tanking virtually suicidal, you're just crazy or a moron. I could not of said it better^ ACCEPT YOUR FATE LIKE I ACCEPTED MINE.
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. 267	Posted - 2015.01.21 19:34:00 - [30] - Quote Charli Chaplin jr wrote: i was just playing dust on the table top map, the enemy team got the objective first. they were all on top of the table top so i tried to go clear the roof. my first attempt failed, I tried to run to the ladder in the west side but when i went up top there was an Ak.0 assault guy that had a viziam SCR. i was using a Ck.0 scout with a boundless CR so i just tried to shoot him. he just charged his gun and he 1hit killed me. And it's the same thing EVERY TIME even when i'm a proto assault Ck.0 they still 3shot me. Tell me 1 gun that can ONE SHOT a proto gallente scout. I find that the RR has been nerfed too much and that the Caldari users have shut their mouth for too long about the SCR's. i think we are taking deaths not because we suck, but because you have no chance to kill a SCR user with a cal scout. Caldari needs a weapon other than the RR to be able to kill an Ak.0 assault user with something else than RE's or Shotguns. just name me 1 CALDARI gun that can 1hit an Ak.0/Gk.0 scout in the body, tell me. You obviously forgot to do the 'strafe dance' #sarcasm off Seriously if you know what they are running, why fight head on ? Adapt your game or you'll just end up frustrated. Also this game, for me anyway, is as equally enjoyable as it is frustrating. Try running a min scout with minimal HP and then when can talk about what kills you. Everything kills me in that suit, everything. BUT when I NK someone or lately RE them that tends to bring a smile to my face. Good luck merc, remember to try and have fun. It is a game after all. But every night I burn. Screaming the animal scream. Every night I burn. Dreaming the crow-black dream



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