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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:47:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote: Isn't that what it already does, though? At least for the standard ones, not sure about AScRs.
No, it's basic overheat is 19 shots and on amaar assaults they can unload 24 rounds before overheat, someone already posted the numbers
Its actually 18 and 23. Not 19 and 24.[/quote]
heat per second 50, max heat 100, with 10 rounds per second. that is 20 shots before to overheat, 19 before overheat.
on amarr assault it is 37.5 heat per second. that is 27 (actually 26.7) shots to overheat, 26 before overheat.
[/quote] That is assuming the RoF is 600 however. This is never the case however. Any vetted ScR user can tell you that the heat buildup of the ScR is wonky, and that the amount of shots that can actually be fired is largely depending on how fast the rifle is firing, with a faster fire rate equating to a higher amount of shots. The general consensus is that this phenomena is related to the way that the heat us built up over time, rather than per shot.
Also, you are supposed to divide by 1.25 when factoring the Amassault bonus, not multiply by 0.75. So the heat buildup decreases to 40, not 37.5.
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:48:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:killertojo42 wrote:
I am working on getting all minmataar suits up to level 5 operation and have fully skilled out CRs and SMGs, I'm one level from level 5 on my logi and 2 on my scout and made my minmataar assault a working killing machine when dust was scout 514, I average 20 to 30 kills a match and find myself only out DPSed consistantly in close quarters my scrambler rifles and I run prototype damage mods especially as minmataar is supposed to be the damage tanking race
Ok I'm going to be very clear here. Minmatar requires the highest skill point investment of all dropsuits. It's the racial set that does a bit of everything and none of it particularly well until you hit a few milestones. All shield and all armor skills have to be maxed ASAP, fitting skills are the same. also high in priority is all of the biotics skills. Unless your cores are maxed out or very close to maximum, the minmatar dropsuits are paper tigers. They also suck balls if you try to dual tank them. You have to pick either shields and speed or armor and DPS or the suits are going to perform universally poorly across the board. I have no problem with laser weapons because I didn't start into min suits until I had everything maxed, and I mastered the otehr racial dropsuit types. Minmatar is hands-down the most difficult to learn because it is the most fragile but once you learn it, it's on. And all of the minmatar suits are lethal. My core I maxed out minus the last level in the drop suit core upgrades which it's benefit is so low I wouldn't get any more PG, I've been playing since closed beta when ended dude, I know my stuff down to the last percent
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:51:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:And it's 0.05 not 0.06 http://www.protofits.com/codex/view/Combat-Rifle
Go to RAW SDE. See the number next to the value that is titled m_BurstInfo.m_fBurstInterval? See how it is 0.06?
Its 0.06
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:53:00 -
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I've been in PCs where they joked when I have used a viziam that it's unfair, I'm asking for a nerf to a weapon I've used
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:54:00 -
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That would throw the RPM equation off plus there is no .25 burst in real life which proves it even more wrong
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:54:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:I've been in PCs where they joked when I have used a viziam that it's unfair, I'm asking for a nerf to a weapon I've used
Have you given up? Confronted with conctrete evidence and you fall back on anecdotes?
Grow up and admit your fault.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:56:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:That would throw the RPM equation off plus there is no .25 burst in real life which proves it even more wrong Except hose are the raw stats pulled directly from the client. They can't be wrong, as they are essentially the physics of the game itself. They are the rules. And it doesn't throw the RoF equation off. It sets it at 1125.
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:04:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:killertojo42 wrote:That would throw the RPM equation off plus there is no .25 burst in real life which proves it even more wrong Except hose are the raw stats pulled directly from the client. They can't be wrong, as they are essentially the physics of the game itself. They are the rules. And it doesn't throw the RoF equation off. It sets it at 1125. The RoF posted is 1200 RPMs which you even posted earlier, nice try but you trapped yourself
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:07:00 -
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Oh and look through the thread, I am one of several people who disagreed with your anything but concrete evident and began censoring yourself after cussing like a child out of fear of being reported, and if you say they were alts again, well I can squad up with you later on today if you like :)
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:08:00 -
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Whatever. Its clear that you are just grasping at straws here. GÇó-GÇó-GÇó_
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:11:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Oh and look through the thread, I am one of several people who disagreed with your anything but concrete evident and began censoring yourself after cussing like a child out of fear of being reported, and if you say they were alts again, well I can squad up with you later on today if you like :) Censoring myself. ******* ********, what don't you understand? There is no moderation you imbecile! If I was actually reported, the request has gone though already, and they didn't act on it. They obviously understand my frustration of having to deal with someone whose skull is as thick as my well hung ****.
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:12:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Whatever. Its clear that you are just grasping at straws here. GÇó-GÇó-GÇó_ Awwww, you giving up? Did I hurt a little kid's feelings?
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:13:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Oh and look through the thread, I am one of several people who disagreed with your anything but concrete evident and began censoring yourself after cussing like a child out of fear of being reported, and if you say they were alts again, well I can squad up with you later on today if you like :) Censoring myself. ******* ********, what don't you understand? There is no moderation you imbecile! If I was actually reported, the request has gone though already, and they didn't act on it. They obviously understand my frustration of having to deal with someone whose skull is as thick as my well hung ****. Lol, my friends are so going to laugh when I tell them about this
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
2261
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:14:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Oh and look through the thread, I am one of several people who disagreed with your anything but concrete evident and began censoring yourself after cussing like a child out of fear of being reported, and if you say they were alts again, well I can squad up with you later on today if you like :) Censoring myself. ******* ********, what don't you understand? There is no moderation you imbecile! If I was actually reported, the request has gone though already, and they didn't act on it. They obviously understand my frustration of having to deal with someone whose skull is as thick as my well hung ****. Lol, my friends are so going to laugh when I tell them about this "freinds"
You meant to say alts.
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:17:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Oh and look through the thread, I am one of several people who disagreed with your anything but concrete evident and began censoring yourself after cussing like a child out of fear of being reported, and if you say they were alts again, well I can squad up with you later on today if you like :) Censoring myself. ******* ********, what don't you understand? There is no moderation you imbecile! If I was actually reported, the request has gone though already, and they didn't act on it. They obviously understand my frustration of having to deal with someone whose skull is as thick as my well hung ****. Lol, my friends are so going to laugh when I tell them about this "freinds" You meant to say alts. As I said we can squad up but you're too afraid to, lol
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:19:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Oh and look through the thread, I am one of several people who disagreed with your anything but concrete evident and began censoring yourself after cussing like a child out of fear of being reported, and if you say they were alts again, well I can squad up with you later on today if you like :) Censoring myself. ******* ********, what don't you understand? There is no moderation you imbecile! If I was actually reported, the request has gone though already, and they didn't act on it. They obviously understand my frustration of having to deal with someone whose skull is as thick as my well hung ****. Lol, my friends are so going to laugh when I tell them about this "freinds" You meant to say alts. As I said we can squad up but you're too afraid to, lol No, I just can't stand more than this level of contact with idiots.
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:21:00 -
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Coward, lol
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Breakin Stuff
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:28:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote: My core I maxed out minus the last level in the drop suit core upgrades which it's benefit is so low I wouldn't get any more PG, I've been playing since closed beta when ended dude, I know my stuff down to the last percent
Then why are you having trouble killing scrambler wielders?
If you've been here since beta there's no excuse.
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:36:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:killertojo42 wrote: My core I maxed out minus the last level in the drop suit core upgrades which it's benefit is so low I wouldn't get any more PG, I've been playing since closed beta when ended dude, I know my stuff down to the last percent
Then why are you having trouble killing scrambler wielders? If you've been here since beta there's no excuse. I said they need a DPS reduction because the CR RR and AR have all gone through it, and honestly I just want some way to incentivize charge shooting over just spam shooting but that involves lowering base damage first
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:14:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote: Except hose are the raw stats pulled directly from the client. They can't be wrong, as they are essentially the physics of the game itself. They are the rules. And it doesn't throw the RoF equation off. It sets it at 1125.
why do you post the same crap again over and over, how often do someone needs to tell you that you are wrong and point you towards to proper calculations?
burst length x fire interval + burst interval = total interval for each burst 60 / total interval for each burst * burst length = the real RPM
(can also be read up here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175033)
stop pretending you know how it works because you dont. |
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:24:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote: Except hose are the raw stats pulled directly from the client. They can't be wrong, as they are essentially the physics of the game itself. They are the rules. And it doesn't throw the RoF equation off. It sets it at 1125.
why do you post the same crap again over and over, how often do someone needs to tell you that you are wrong and point you towards to proper calculations? burst length x fire interval + burst interval = total interval for each burst 60 / total interval for each burst * burst length = the real RPM (can also be read up here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175033) stop pretending you know how it works because you dont.
As if pulling out the RAW SDE somehow makes it less and less true... If you can find evidence stronger than the RAW SDE to support your own claims, I'll give you 5M ISK and concede my point.
Hint: You can't. There is literally no better evidence.
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:29:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote: Except hose are the raw stats pulled directly from the client. They can't be wrong, as they are essentially the physics of the game itself. They are the rules. And it doesn't throw the RoF equation off. It sets it at 1125.
why do you post the same crap again over and over, how often do someone needs to tell you that you are wrong and point you towards to proper calculations? burst length x fire interval + burst interval = total interval for each burst 60 / total interval for each burst * burst length = the real RPM (can also be read up here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175033) stop pretending you know how it works because you dont. As if pulling out the RAW SDE somehow makes it less and less true... If you can find evidence stronger than the RAW SDE to support your own claims, I'll give you 5M ISK and concede my point. Hint: You can't. There is literally no better evidence. reading comprehension ftw.
yes I use the raw data and you are using the wrong formula. your credibility is lost forver in the void, deal with it, no one will ever take you serious. |
killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.16 22:42:00 -
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Thankyou jack, I've been trying to tell him his equation is just wrong
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.16 22:44:00 -
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Damn wrong link and lol, your formula is so off
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.16 22:59:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote: Except hose are the raw stats pulled directly from the client. They can't be wrong, as they are essentially the physics of the game itself. They are the rules. And it doesn't throw the RoF equation off. It sets it at 1125.
why do you post the same crap again over and over, how often do someone needs to tell you that you are wrong and point you towards to proper calculations? burst length x fire interval + burst interval = total interval for each burst 60 / total interval for each burst * burst length = the real RPM (can also be read up here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175033) stop pretending you know how it works because you dont. That is a different weapon entirely
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1829
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Posted - 2015.01.17 01:11:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote: Except hose are the raw stats pulled directly from the client. They can't be wrong, as they are essentially the physics of the game itself. They are the rules. And it doesn't throw the RoF equation off. It sets it at 1125.
why do you post the same crap again over and over, how often do someone needs to tell you that you are wrong and point you towards to proper calculations? burst length x fire interval + burst interval = total interval for each burst 60 / total interval for each burst * burst length = the real RPM (can also be read up here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175033) stop pretending you know how it works because you dont. That is a different weapon entirely burst weapon mechanic is the same for all weapons |
killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.17 01:57:00 -
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Not exactly, I think we are on our 3rd set of DEVs so the mechanics have been all over the place and changed a whole lot
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
64
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Posted - 2015.01.17 04:08:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote: Isn't that what it already does, though? At least for the standard ones, not sure about AScRs.
No, it's basic overheat is 19 shots and on amaar assaults they can unload 24 rounds before overheat, someone already posted the numbers Its actually 18 and 23. Not 19 and 24.
heat per second 50, max heat 100, with 10 rounds per second. that is 20 shots before to overheat, 19 before overheat.
on amarr assault it is 37.5 heat per second. that is 27 (actually 26.7) shots to overheat, 26 before overheat.[/quote] 26 shots? I wanna use that scrambler lol
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.17 04:13:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Oh and look through the thread, I am one of several people who disagreed with your anything but concrete evident and began censoring yourself after cussing like a child out of fear of being reported, and if you say they were alts again, well I can squad up with you later on today if you like :) Censoring myself. ******* ********, what don't you understand? There is no moderation you imbecile! If I was actually reported, the request has gone though already, and they didn't act on it. They obviously understand my frustration of having to deal with someone whose skull is as thick as my well hung ****. Lol, my friends are so going to laugh when I tell them about this Dude you sound like a duck lmao crying about a weapon like a little *****..id be surprised if you had friends
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.17 04:17:00 -
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All Gucci wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:killertojo42 wrote:Oh and look through the thread, I am one of several people who disagreed with your anything but concrete evident and began censoring yourself after cussing like a child out of fear of being reported, and if you say they were alts again, well I can squad up with you later on today if you like :) Censoring myself. ******* ********, what don't you understand? There is no moderation you imbecile! If I was actually reported, the request has gone though already, and they didn't act on it. They obviously understand my frustration of having to deal with someone whose skull is as thick as my well hung ****. Lol, my friends are so going to laugh when I tell them about this Dude you sound like a duck lmao crying about a weapon like a little *****..id be surprised if you had friends If you can't constructively criticize go to COD where you'll be praised for such words
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