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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:31:00 -
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Only in the first burst does the first bullet count as 0.00
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:37:00 -
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Each bullet after the first shot counts as time passed mathematically, only the first bullet counts as 0.00, not every first bullet of each burst
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:37:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Only in the first burst does the first bullet count as 0.00
No. All bursts are counted the same.
The first burst doesn't magically take less time.
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:38:00 -
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RPM is achieved by delay of each and every bullet and by RPM's standard of 20 bullets a second I'm easily right
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:39:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Each bullet after the first shot counts as time passed mathematically, only the first bullet counts as 0.00, not every first bullet of each burst
This is a game. These are hitscan guns. The gun isn't actually rechambering and there isn't a travel time down the barrel
The actually bullets take no real time to fire. They just happen. Damage is just applied as the timer passes the correct point.
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:41:00 -
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The delay between bullets is the only delay
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:44:00 -
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Your delay isn't .6 but .5 otherwise the RPMs would be off
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:45:00 -
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0.06 and 0.05, sorry
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:49:00 -
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5 X 20 = an even 100 or 1 second.
20 X 60 = 1200 rounds a minute exactly
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.15 02:59:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:5 X 20 = an even 100 or 1 second.
20 X 60 = 1200 rounds a minute exactly
But the delay that happens after the last bullet in every burst lasts 0.06 seconds.
It is impossible to actually get 20 rounds in a single second because of the 0.06 second delay.
You will only ever get 19 bullets per second because of this. Which ends up being 6 full bursts and 1 extra bullet per second, when you count the bullets, but 6.25 bursts per second if you count the time.
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:02:00 -
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You're adding a 0.01 on the delay, the RPMs wouldn't be exactly 1200 if the delay was that long
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:03:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Your delay isn't .6 but .5 otherwise the RPMs would be off
I'm looking at the RAW SDE for Combat Rifles right now.
Its definitely a 0.06 delay.
You won't get a full RpF because of this.
You get 1125 instead of 1200 because of the delay.
Which totals to be 525 DPS for the STD CR.
551.25 for the ADV one.
And 577.5 for the PRO one.
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:19:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:I love the "data will speak for itself" nonsense.
Rattati has already told us that the ScR isn't over performing in any way at all, that he won't nerf it, and that the AScR is actually underperforming.
I find it funny how big the Scrambler hater crowd is. Its really not the god weapon they think it is.
Its still the least used of all of the rifles by a wide margin.
It still takes the most skill to use amongst the rifles by a wide margin.
Its DPS advantage is tiny in practice, despite everyone quoting the paper stats and calling it OP.
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:20:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Zindorak wrote:killertojo42 wrote:The rail rifle got nerfed, the combat rifle got every nerf imaginable and the AR got nerfed to hell before a decent rebalancing of the weapon so no I will not leave it be The rail rifle might of been nerfed but it ain't enough Its CQC capabilities were restricted as well as a decrease to DPS and it is now in an ok place, sorry that you're unhappy your scrambler can't out range everything as well as out DPS it
Orly?
Then why is it that the Rail Rifle performs better in CQC than an Assault Scrambler, Assault Rifle and Scrambler Rifle
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:27:00 -
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Are you just a scrub?
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killertojo42
KnightKiller's inc.
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:36:00 -
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Anyway CCP says many things while changing its mind, ask CCP where is PvE and see how far you get
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Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:37:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Rattati has already told us that (1) the ScR isn't over performing in any way at all, (2) that he won't nerf it, and that (3) the AScR is actually underperforming.
#3 is correct. #1 contradicts Rattati's statements; he's mentioned on at least one occasion that the ScR outperforms the other fine rifles (kills per spawn). Not sure about #2, but it seems unlikely that he'd make that commitment. |
killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:43:00 -
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The assault could use some love
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:56:00 -
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Vitantur Nothus wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:Rattati has already told us that (1) the ScR isn't over performing in any way at all, (2) that he won't nerf it, and that (3) the AScR is actually underperforming. #3 is correct. If I'm not mistaken, #1 contradicts Rattati's past statement; last we heard from him on the topic, the ScR was outperforming the other Fine Rifles in kills per spawn. Not sure about #2, but it seems unlikely that he'd make that commitment.
I'll find the quote...
Hold on.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.15 03:59:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2544631#post2544631
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:09:00 -
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So was the mass driver, original laser rifle and the plasma cannon all started as really good niche weapons, the excuse of "niche" weapon is purely an excuse
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:20:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:So was the mass driver, original laser rifle and the plasma cannon all started as really good niche weapons, the excuse of "niche" weapon is purely an excuse
All niche weapons are OP in their niche.
You ever see a Laser Rifle get 3 kills in a single swipe? A heated up Laser can kill brick tanked heavy in -+ second.
Mass Drivers are amazing from an elevated position. Always have been. their area denial and suppression is unmatched.
Plasma Cannons aren't niche. Believe it or not. They are really quite the opposite. They have no niche, they perform equally well in pretty much all situations.
And ScRs are OP in the 30-55m range while 1v1ing. They have serious issue taking on more than 1 person, even if those 2 people are 2 Calscouts.
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:39:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:killertojo42 wrote:So was the mass driver, original laser rifle and the plasma cannon all started as really good niche weapons, the excuse of "niche" weapon is purely an excuse All niche weapons are OP in their niche. You ever see a Laser Rifle get 3 kills in a single swipe? A heated up Laser can kill brick tanked heavy in -+ second. Mass Drivers are amazing from an elevated position. Always have been. their area denial and suppression is unmatched. Plasma Cannons aren't niche. Believe it or not. They are really quite the opposite. They have no niche, they perform equally well in pretty much all situations. And ScRs are OP in the 30-55m range while 1v1ing. They have serious issue taking on more than 1 person, even if those 2 people are 2 Calscouts.
Again are you a scrub? And it is hard to handle any group of two or more without a sidearm
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:42:00 -
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With any weapon to be more clear
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:42:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:killertojo42 wrote:So was the mass driver, original laser rifle and the plasma cannon all started as really good niche weapons, the excuse of "niche" weapon is purely an excuse All niche weapons are OP in their niche. You ever see a Laser Rifle get 3 kills in a single swipe? A heated up Laser can kill brick tanked heavy in -+ second. Mass Drivers are amazing from an elevated position. Always have been. their area denial and suppression is unmatched. Plasma Cannons aren't niche. Believe it or not. They are really quite the opposite. They have no niche, they perform equally well in pretty much all situations. And ScRs are OP in the 30-55m range while 1v1ing. They have serious issue taking on more than 1 person, even if those 2 people are 2 Calscouts. Again are you a scrub? And it is hard to handle any group of two or more without a sidearm
Th point is that pretty much every other rifle is well equipped to deal with at least 2 people without needing a sidearm.
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:47:00 -
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CR isn't unless on an assault, AR isn't, RR only at range, plasma cannon no, mass driver no, sniper rifle only at range, laser rifle only at range
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:09:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:CR isn't unless on an assault, AR isn't, RR only at range, plasma cannon no, mass driver no, sniper rifle only at range, laser rifle only at range
Well the CR has a similar niche to the ScR, just a bit closer to the enemy and armor based. Its still a 1v1 rifle I suppose, but it has better chances against two people than a ScR all the same.
AR definitely can take on 2 people. It has 2150-2400 damage in its magazine now. It can definitely take on 2 people.
RR also has almost 2000 damage in a mag. Unless these are heavies, it will do fine at taking on 2 people.
Those other weapons aren't main battle rifles. I was talking about main battle rifles.
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killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:14:00 -
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Rail rifle barely holds it's own in any CQC while the assault rail rifle is pretty scary in CQC
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Gh0st Blade
CANNIBALS RISING
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:28:00 -
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I agree Killertojo. The scrambler has to high of power for its rate of fire. When I run gallente sentinel g/1 series with 400 some shield and 927 armor and get melted in a matter of a second by a militia rifle: the rifle is over powered. I also notice in the match most people that run it kill team members around me without over heating. So if my sniper, hmg, and rail is nerfed why can't the scambler? |
killertojo42
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:30:00 -
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Gh0st Blade wrote:I agree Killertojo. The scrambler has to high of power for its rate of fire. When I run gallente sentinel g/1 series with 400 some shield and 927 armor and get melted in a matter of a second by a militia rifle: the rifle is over powered. I also notice in the match most people that run it kill team members around me without over heating. So if my sniper, hmg, and rail is nerfed why can't the scambler?
My point exactly
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