You seem to be forgetting that Dust can serve as the perfect testing platform for Legion

But Rattati hates me and will never reply

Obvious dev bait is obvious dear Joseph.
To what end is this all?

To upgrade my illustrious wooden leg you are so fond of.

Love to see all those new blue tags. I am really quite interested in seeing how all this new stuff plays out. To those interested: Skill Points, Warbarge stuff, More Salvage

The most interesting thing is, of course, the Warbarge changes. That isn't just tweaking some numbers regarding SP or introducing vendor trash; that is an entirely new system that is having to be implemented in DUST. It might very well be the most ambitious thing that CCP has been successful in doing with DUST. Whether this is sad or exciting is in your interpretation. I only have one question: to what end?

How much farther is DUST capable of going with the current hardware and software? We were told to expect minor hotfixes, which I believe is what the SP change falls into and possibly the Salvage part. But this Warbarge overhaul is way beyond anything we have seen yet and is coming at a time when DUST is not at its strongest (IE, still recovering from months of radio silence). Considering that nothing can have a strong, long term plan on a console that is already 8 years old and the replacement to said platform was released 14 months ago, it seems so very strange to me that such extensive changes are coming.

These changes have to be difficult to do and will likely take quite a bit of development time, meaning money. With the Executive Producer not having posted anything for nearly 8 months, I am deeply curious where the current idea, the concept of 'DUST 514' stands. This new stuff has me wondering:

To what end?

Hopefully to fund Legion or something similar. Or their going to take the money and run and were being bled, lol

Personally, to make Dust 514 a better game because I passionately care about it and the players.

Personally, to make Dust 514 a better game because I passionately care about it and the players.

Bandwidth is amazing

fixed

Then stop listening to the forums.

Bandwidth and the new match making are the worst things that have ever happened to this game.

Personally, to make Dust 514 a better game because I passionately care about it and the players.

To what end?

The only people I've seen complain about it used the "I can no longer switch to my heavy suit and still have links argument" the majority of the time

1. Dont you mean i cant swap to anything no matter what the situation because i will lose basically everything and i am forced to play that role and only that role for the entire length of the game or my team will suffer as a consequence?

Also, found the logi tourist! Please cry directly into the bucket.

All this fluff still doesn't mean **** if the game still runs like **** ... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=187433


Although I don't see much of that stuff happening. By the time Phase 1 has its bugs worked out the player base will be under 2k concurrent, and development halted...

This is what is bothering me.

Most of this new ''content is smoke and mirrors, tbh. Where it does contact actual in-match gameplay, i.e. the warbarge, it's an arbitrary and immersion-breaking kludge that make very little sense. It's also potentially harmful, given the way Rattai was so willing to propose in-match damage bonuses - he should have been the one fighting marketing on that. Instead, once again, it's left to the playerbase to defend DUST.

There are many ways to fix PC, this warbarge mechanic is totally unnecessary. This is a mechanic driven almost solely by a marketing model, imo. That marketing model is obviously bad for the game and really doesn't have any respect for DUST's core FPS gameplay or New Eden itself.

It's hard to stay positive ...

Not to be mean but.....

Then stop listening to the forums. Bandwidth and the new match making are the worst things that have ever happened to this game.

I don't like bandwidth at all, I think there was a simpler solution to make logi's feel more important.

With respect, have you ever been positive?

The only people I've seen complain about it used the "I can no longer switch to my heavy suit and still have links argument" the majority of the time

What I am complaining about is the amazing lack of uplinks on the field horribly slowing down pace of play. This could also be an issue that is increased by the addition of the cheap flux OBs at the same time.

Personally, to make Dust 514 a better game because I passionately care about it and the players.

Yeah, and it's unbelievably frustrating to anyone (vet or new comer) who has put time and money into Dust and who is awake enough see what's going on..

Then we have Rattati posting in this thread like he cares for the players and/or game.. I really want to believe him and I like what he has done so far outside of the strong boxes..

But when threads like above go unmentioned and have seemingly little concern to Rattati and friends. It's hard to stay positive, because anyone who can think outside of the shiny things mentality can see this game for what it is and realize why people have and continue to leave.. I would go on but that threads sums it up nicely...

So in reality, we're getting the shiny new stuff kitchen because we cant fix the crack in the basement walls without tearing the house apart.

And that makes me a sad merc.

Do you carry uplinks on your fittings? Also, have you ever considered running a logistics dropsuit? Without uplinks on the field you are in a position to make a ton of WP's...

Obligatory: logis need a balancing pass.

I have done plenty and love the points I get from being the only one dropping uplinks but then comes along mini flux OB spam to ensure they are gone. Why should I be forced to take a several hundred K loss because I am the only one that cares enough to do something as simple as try to keep uplinks alive.

The real issue with bandwidth is it has not been explained at all to people in the game unless they got second hand info from a forumite. It would probably be fine if CCP took a little bit of effort to actually explain this convoluted principle in game to new players and people that only play the game. But hey, it's cool people will figure that out on their own just like they were figuring out how to push X when the big bold message on the screen told them too so they would not die. Oh wait CCP decided people could not do that at the same time they introduced the most over complicated and unnecessary mechanic this game has every seen with no real explanation in game at all. LOL LOGIC LOGIC LOL

Yeah, but where the hell is Dust going? What's happening with Legion? You do this again and again, guys. Announce something and then leave us dead in the water. It's ridiculous to expect us to spend money on your game when we haven't had news on Legion in months.

My guess is because Rattati has nothing to do with Legion and is simply trying to make Dust the best it can be.

No point in trying to control what is out of your hands. And when some of the upper management run things so poorly, its pretty much all the people further down the hierarchy that have to step up and do what they can.

Why don't you hide the links under an overhang? Sometimes an overhang isn't nearby, but with the prevalence of indoor maps it's pretty easy to hide an uplink where a minor flux can't hit it. You can run uplinks on an assault or commando fitting; this allows you to provide a few uplinks and still slay when you have to.

Not to be mean but.....

Then stop listening to the forums. Bandwidth and the new match making are the worst things that have ever happened to this game.

What matchmaking?

That's awesome and I have respect for Rattati for that but can you honestly tell me he truly doesn't know where Dust/Legion is headed after the ps3. ? If he does and it doesn't benefit the current "paying player base" all the shiny additions could be considered very manipulative and seen as a pretty shady business practice in the future.. Especially if the future isn't transparent to the paying customer.. :-/

My guess is because Rattati has nothing to do with Legion and is simply trying to make Dust the best it can be.

No point in trying to control what is out of your hands. And when some of the upper management run things so poorly, its pretty much all the people further down the hierarchy that have to step up and do what they can.

They don't necessarily keep him in the loop.

And even if they did, if he has no say in the matter, why not just make Dust the best it can be?

I see no point to hold Rattati accountable for a company that has obvious management issues.

I would rather just enjoy a ride that is lasting longer and doing better than what it sounded like it would at FF. As far as I am concerned all this extra stuff is just a major bonus.

Personally, to make Dust 514 a better game because I passionately care about it and the players.

I actually do believe Ratatti cares, and is working to make the game better. But there's a stupidly stark comparison I'm going to make between EVE and DUST and no its not about lore, mechanics or the community.

Its about the Dev-cycle.

The real reason we're getting 'smoke and mirrors' besides the actually mentioned intent to enlarge the game and make it feel more engaging, is because as someone mentioned somewhere earlier (prolly you Bolsh) is that the core is rotten.

As in, UNFIXABLE.

Think of when the mechanics where first first made, 3 years ago now.
All brilliant and beautiful hard coding that behaved..."magically" ...at first. Probably made by one or two dedicated devs.
Then it was a new build here, and some new items there, everything still fairly 'rainbows and unicorns' because the core mechanics, while not perfect, fit decently well with the game.

Then devs got shuffled and/or lost to work on the Uprising snafu.
And snafu it did.
The remake of textures and objects, additions to the game code continued to pile on the original 'legacy' code (FORESHADOWING) burying it deeper and deeper in lines of hardly distinguishable bits from one another.

Development then continued to ramp up, adding more and more to try and 'fix' the dark ages of 1.0-1.4.

Somewhere in the passage of time, the original coders have been lost. The people that could semi-easily go in and find what they're looking for and change it accordingly.
Then Rouge came by and took everything not nailed down to do Legion.
Far less devs, same ol' problems

fastforward to today: Ratatti most likely KNOWS of the glaring issues, but quite possibly CAN NOT fix them. Either because the game architecture wont allow it, or the man-hours are sooo vast, it will kill anything else we could possibly have

Just like EVE's Player Owned Structure coding. and why its never been fixed. In fact, EVE created a whole new class of deployables to dance around the POS code without having to fix it, because its too costly.


So in reality, we're getting the shiny new stuff kitchen because we cant fix the crack in the basement walls without tearing the house apart.

And that makes me a sad merc.

Not to be mean but.....

Then stop listening to the forums. Bandwidth and the new match making are the worst things that have ever happened to this game.

Not to be mean but.....

Then stop listening to the forums. Bandwidth and the new match making are the worst things that have ever happened to this game.

But how realistic is it?

You also said you wanted to do a big vehicle overhaul, yet that seems to have put on the shelf for now too. The changes look great, hopefully you'll forgive me though if I dont believe anything anymore till its actually in game