Hello everyone, I want to tell you about my friend. His in- game name is jhon hartigan, he created that character a while ago but started playing a couple of weeks ago.
I'm happy to say he is really enjoing the game.
Now, he decided to play as a logi because he saw the potential of farming WP of that role.
I've been playing with him a lot recently, all he do is put a couple of uplinks, revive someone and repair heavies. I'm not complaing about it, he is doing his job, but it is not like he tries very hard.

Now, I'm a dedicated assault. As an assault my main job is killing. I average 20+ kills per match, with a lot of matches with 30+ kills. I'm usually the one that kills the most on the killfeed. I obviously also hack points.

The problem is my friend and other logis are almost always above me with their WP. Even when I have a great game, logis, without any effort can obtain more WPs than me. The other day I had a good match, finishing 45-4 and I ended third. With my friend ending third and I know he didnt do that much in that game.

That made me think

This isn't a great problem for me, I don't give a duck about WP and I have enough ISK and SP. But for a new player ending first or second or third can change a lot, a lot of WP means a lot of isk and a lot of SP. So the logi is better to farm those things.

I'm not complaining about logis being OP, I think they're balanced.

I'm just saying kills should be rewarded a little bit more, cause an assault doing his job should be rewarded as a logi doing his job. It is also strange that a great match from an assault is rewarded less than an average match from a logi.

Take a look at the numbers:

30 kills:30*50=1500WP
half of those kills are near an objective=12*15=180 WP
10 assists= 25*10=250 WP
5 installation hacks=50*5=250 WP
3 Null Cannon hacks= 100*3=300 WP

30 kills, 10 assists, 8 hacks, I'd say this is a great match, the WPs obtained for all this are 2780.
Not bad, but a logi not trying so hard can obtain those WP quite easily.

I'd say every kill should give you 70 or 80 WPs to help new player that dont want to play the logi role to farm isks and SPs more easily. This is an fps after all, your ability to kill should be rewarded

It's not necessarily that you don't recieve enough WP for a kill, it's that logi's earn WP from multiple incomes, some of which are passive, let's break it down.

Assault/Heavy (Offence Orientated Roles)
+50 Kill
+25 Assist
+100 NULL Point Hack
+50/25/12 NULL Point Hack Assist
+50 Installation Hack
+25/12 Installation Hack Assist

In additio to the following for
Logistics(Assuming PRO with Tool, Injector, Hives, Uplink)
+25 Team Spawn
+10 Resupply
+25 Triage
+30 Guardian
+60 Team Revive

The Logistics can earn WP in almost twice as many ways as the Assault, what we need are offence oriented bonuses, while everyone will still be able to earn them (like an Assault with hives can earn resupply points), these points will most often be awarded to people who play to kill, some examples below.

+20/10 FOCUSED FIRE
Triggers when you and a teammate kill an opponent by both firing upon him at the same time, unlike Assist you must both be firing uponnthe target when he dies, (normally this creates a race condition 1 kill, 1 Assist), the one attributed with the Assist recieves 20 and the Kill recieves 10

+15 SUPPRESION
Triggers when you force an enemy to disengage a friendly by firing upon him, this will be the main stay of WP earning for long range or low damage weapons.

+40 SAVIOR
Triggers when you kill or suppress an enemy who was firing upon a friendly with less than 40% eHP remaining, this hughe bonus can apply to Kills, Focused Fire and Suppresion

+15 AVENGER
Triggers when you kill an Enemy you OBSERVED killing a friendly, additional bonuses will bs given to logis who revive the fallen teamate after an Avenger bonus has been awarded

+10 SURVIVOR
Triggers when you kill an Enemy you engaged starting the engagement with 50% eHP or less.

+80 LAST STAND
Triggers for each enemy you kill with 1 mag or less remaining in your equipped weapon, using a nanohive or switching to/from a filled weapon disables this bonus.

It's not necessarily that you don't recieve enough WP for a kill, it's that logi's earn WP from multiple incomes, some of which are passive, let's break it down.

Assault/Heavy (Offence Orientated Roles)
+50 Kill
+25 Assist
+100 NULL Point Hack
+50/25/12 NULL Point Hack Assist
+50 Installation Hack
+25/12 Installation Hack Assist

In additio to the following for
Logistics(Assuming PRO with Tool, Injector, Hives, Uplink)
+25 Team Spawn
+10 Resupply
+25 Triage
+30 Guardian
+60 Team Revive

The Logistics can earn WP in almost twice as many ways as the Assault, what we need are offence oriented bonuses, while everyone will still be able to earn them (like an Assault with hives can earn resupply points), these points will most often be awarded to people who play to kill, some examples below.

+20/10 FOCUSED FIRE
Triggers when you and a teammate kill an opponent by both firing upon him at the same time, unlike Assist you must both be firing uponnthe target when he dies, (normally this creates a race condition 1 kill, 1 Assist), the one attributed with the Assist recieves 20 and the Kill recieves 10

+15 SUPPRESION
Triggers when you force an enemy to disengage a friendly by firing upon him, this will be the main stay of WP earning for long range or low damage weapons.

+40 SAVIOR
Triggers when you kill or suppress an enemy who was firing upon a friendly with less than 40% eHP remaining, this hughe bonus can apply to Kills, Focused Fire and Suppresion

+15 AVENGER
Triggers when you kill an Enemy you OBSERVED killing a friendly, additional bonuses will bs given to logis who revive the fallen teamate after an Avenger bonus has been awarded

+10 SURVIVOR
Triggers when you kill an Enemy you engaged starting the engagement with 50% eHP or less.

+80 LAST STAND
Triggers for each enemy you kill with 1 mag or less remaining in your equipped weapon, using a nanohive or switching to/from a filled weapon disables this bonus.

if you want 1000 things popping up on your screen go play call of duty

Your suggestions for assault oriented bonus WPs are solid ideas, but there is one major way this.can be exploited. Snipers. Think how many WPs snipers would get for shooting redberries in the combat zone. They'd overtake logis in no time at all

As assault you are not to much bechnid ..... Yes you have equiptment slots!!! and bandwich too!
Logi are used for farm free good.. farm it the key word here, and CCP are ok with it.
As assault you can almost have kils and wp fro logistic job.
As scout you can get even more bonuses from broken playstyles?


What can says heavy?
No eq, no bandwitch?
Is this post are for more alienate them?

As av-heavy you can get only +75 because at optimal game design you shoudn't kill vehicle and very rarely get kill from it.
As hmg-heavy you get kill's ... only when you manage join to farm fest logi or two. (even vehicle driver can operate alone and get more wp)

I ask: Do you have more equal wp/sp distribution?

Lol

Would be wayyyyy too hard for devs to code that.

I'd say every kill should give you 70 or 80 WPs to help new player that dont want to play the logi role to farm isks and SPs more easily. This is an fps after all, your ability to kill should be rewarded

Edit: Thank you to Monkey MAC for this great post. I may change my suggestion to just increase the reward for every kill to introduce the following:

+20/10 FOCUSED FIRE
Triggers when you and a teammate kill an opponent by both firing upon him at the same time, unlike Assist you must both be firing uponnthe target when he dies, (normally this creates a race condition 1 kill, 1 Assist), the one attributed with the Assist recieves 20 and the Kill recieves 10

+15 SUPPRESION
Triggers when you force an enemy to disengage a friendly by firing upon him, this will be the main stay of WP earning for long range or low damage weapons.

+40 SAVIOR
Triggers when you kill or suppress an enemy who was firing upon a friendly with less than 40% eHP remaining, this hughe bonus can apply to Kills, Focused Fire and Suppresion

+15 AVENGER
Triggers when you kill an Enemy you OBSERVED killing a friendly, additional bonuses will bs given to logis who revive the fallen teamate after an Avenger bonus has been awarded

+10 SURVIVOR
Triggers when you kill an Enemy you engaged starting the engagement with 50% eHP or less.

+80 LAST STAND
Triggers for each enemy you kill with 1 mag or less remaining in your equipped weapon, using a nanohive or switching to/from a filled weapon disables this bonus.

+10/20/30 KILLSTREAK
After 5/10/15 kills without dying you receive +10/20/30 WPs for every kill.

I'm not saying we should add all these things but CCP may take a look at these and choose from them. So add more ideas!

IMO

for killing the following suits

basic - front line - militia 50 WP
advanced 75 WP
proto 100 WP

simple

Very good idea, simple but logical.

if you want 1000 things popping up on your screen go play call of duty

Make it 40/50/60

OP don't forget about people like me who own all line or multiple proto suits. Sometimes I'm doing logi work and it's almost impossible to stick with logi rather than changing it to role where I can kill more. Especially when there's big red wall on scoreboard. Put a needle on your suit. Logi will give U nanohives.

Yeah, I saw this coming. WP envy brought us Bandwidth and now we are seeing the inevitable "logis make too much WP".

The ideas seem more like fantasy. You can simply fit your Assault suit with an Uplink or nanohive or some other equipment and get the same. Its pretty simple really
Lets say you make three Assault fittings, one with uplinks, one with nanohives and one with repair tool
You can drop one of each equipment and switch to a rep tool haha

I would add that the last 5 guys on your team (when you have no more clones available and are being hunted by 20 or more redberries) should receive a big bonus for any kills they make.

sort of a 'Last Stand' reward except you've already used that name - so how about 'The End is Nigh' +30

IMO

for killing the following suits

basic - front line - militia 50 WP
advanced 75 WP
proto 100 WP

simple

Apparently CCP needs to make Logis WP wh4res because playing Logi is boring AF, and nobody would do it if they didn't obtain obscene amounts of WP. To the Logis in this thread, let me ask you this: 'Would you continue to play as Logi if you earnt only half as many WP as you do now?'

I think militia shouldn't give you jack ****... Reduces incentive to farm them as they are now.

Proto kills should give you at least 30 points more than a militia. Scaling something like 30 militia, 40 standard, 50 advanced and 60 for proto.

Or, you could do a suit difference type thing. Proto killing militia would be -30 points for the tier difference, but militia killing proto would be +30. Pretty much every tier in between the two suits is either + or - 10 points for each tier there is between the suits, with a standard of 50 for suits equally tiered killing each other.

Hello everyone, I want to tell you about my friend. His in- game name is jhon hartigan, he created that character a while ago but started playing a couple of weeks ago.
I'm happy to say he is really enjoing the game.
Now, he decided to play as a logi because he saw the potential of farming WP of that role.
I've been playing with him a lot recently, all he do is put a couple of uplinks, revive someone and repair heavies. I'm not complaing about it, he is doing his job, but it is not like he tries very hard.

Now, I'm a dedicated assault. As an assault my main job is killing. I average 20+ kills per match, with a lot of matches with 30+ kills. I'm usually the one that kills the most on the killfeed. I obviously also hack points.

The problem is my friend and other logis are almost always above me with their WP. Even when I have a great game, logis, without any effort can obtain more WPs than me. The other day I had a good match, finishing 45-4 and I ended third. With my friend ending second and I know he didnt do that much in that game.

That made me think

This isn't a great problem for me, I don't give a duck about WP and I have enough ISK and SP. But for a new player ending first or second or third can change a lot, a lot of WP means a lot of isk and a lot of SP. So the logi is better to farm those things.

I'm not complaining about logis being OP, I think they're balanced.

I'm just saying kills should be rewarded a little bit more, cause an assault doing his job should be rewarded as a logi doing his job. It is also strange that a great match from an assault is rewarded less than an average match from a logi.

Take a look at some random number:

30 kills:30*50=1500WP
half of those kills are near an objective=12*15=180 WP
10 assists= 25*10=250 WP
5 installation hacks=50*5=250 WP
3 Null Cannon hacks= 100*3=300 WP

30 kills, 10 assists, 8 hacks, I'd say this is a great match, the WPs obtained for all this are 2780.
Not bad, but a logi not trying so hard can obtain those WP quite easily.

I'd say every kill should give you 70 or 80 WPs to help new player that dont want to play the logi role to farm isks and SPs more easily. This is an fps after all, your ability to kill should be rewarded

Edit: Thank you to Monkey MAC for this great post. I may change my suggestion to just increase the reward for every kill to introduce the following:

+20/10 FOCUSED FIRE
Triggers when you and a teammate kill an opponent by both firing upon him at the same time, unlike Assist you must both be firing uponnthe target when he dies, (normally this creates a race condition 1 kill, 1 Assist), the one attributed with the Assist recieves 20 and the Kill recieves 10

+15 SUPPRESION
Triggers when you force an enemy to disengage a friendly by firing upon him, this will be the main stay of WP earning for long range or low damage weapons.

+40 SAVIOR
Triggers when you kill or suppress an enemy who was firing upon a friendly with less than 40% eHP remaining, this hughe bonus can apply to Kills, Focused Fire and Suppresion

+15 AVENGER
Triggers when you kill an Enemy you OBSERVED killing a friendly, additional bonuses will bs given to logis who revive the fallen teamate after an Avenger bonus has been awarded

AVENGER 2 (an alternative to the previous suggestion that I think would be easier to code)
+15 wp when you kill someone that obtained a kill in the previous 10/15 seconds

+10 SURVIVOR
Triggers when you kill an Enemy you engaged starting the engagement with 50% eHP or less.

SURVIVOR2 (an alternative to the previous suggestion that I think would be easier to code)
+10 wp when you kill an enemy with only 100 armor left, or a small % of your ehp.

+80 LAST STAND
Triggers for each enemy you kill with 1 mag or less remaining in your equipped weapon, using a nanohive or switching to/from a filled weapon disables this bonus.

+10/20/30 KILLSTREAK
After 5/10/15 kills without dying you receive +10/20/30 WPs for every kill.

TIERKILL
+50/40 wp for killing a basic, militia, frontline suit
+75/50 wp for killing an adv suit
+100/60 wp for killing a pro suit

THE END IS NIGH
When the clone count of your team reaches x (where x is a small number like 10 or 20) you receive more WP for every kill.

I'm not saying we should add all these things but CCP may take a look at these and choose from them. So add more ideas!

Honestly, no, I don't think I would. When I chose to go logi, part of my reasoning was that I could see that I would earn skill points faster. Don't get me wrong, I love logi-ing and believe that I can make a better contribution to the team that way, but it's liberating and fun to play an assault from time-to-time. Then no one places any links and I have to go back to logi!
So I guess I do subscribe to the view that people need to be rewarded in WP for choosing to logi.
Having said that, I can see a *small* buff to kill WPs might be warranted: something simple like Taxi Bastard's suggestion.

Apparently CCP needs to make Logis WP wh4res because playing Logi is boring AF, and nobody would do it if they didn't obtain obscene amounts of WP. To the Logis in this thread, let me ask you this: 'Would you continue to play as Logi if you earnt only half as many WP as you do now?'

To the Logis in this thread, let me ask you this: 'Would you continue to play as Logi if you earnt only half as many WP as you do now?'

If it was accompanied by halving the cost of our suits and equipment, sure. Would you support the OP's idea for increasing assault's WP earnings by what? 50% if there were an accompanying increase in the costs of your suits and gear by 150%?

not sure where you get this numbers from but I can only suspect that you have taken them out of your arse because you are biased

minmatar logi with a viable fit costs ~210,000 ISK

minmatar assault with a viable fit costs ~185,000 ISK

12% isk difference.

now consider how much it takes the minmatar logi to break 3k WP and the effort of an assault to manage the same amount of WP

Hey

There is a 93 page PDF from the US NAVAL Academy's School for Weapons Research that covers RG technologies and an explanation to the physic's as to why RG's do not have recoil.

People seem to forget that apart from Ambush the main goals of the other two game modes is to control the Null cannon, no matter how good you are at slaying you cant win a match with a positive KDR. If you respawn too far away from the null cannon your MCC receives a lot more damage as you try to get to the objective.
I personally think that Dust 514 even with all its promises plays too much like other FPS like Call of Duty, this game claims that what you do on the battlefield affects this and that but it seems to be just another KDR, except for the Logi role which many seem to hate and want to just change the game into a KDR battle.
I dont know how it can be improved but the reason I like this game is because its not about KDR. I have played in matches where my team has half the amount of clones left that the enemy has and still won the match.
I think there should be better rewards for winning a match. I suggested reducing ISK payout for losing and increasing the one for winning teams but that was gracefully dismissed by the users here( I am not being sarcastic haha)

not sure where you get this numbers from but I can only suspect that you have taken them out of your arse because you are biased

killingis actually the most important part in the game with the biggest risk and not the best rewards. does not matter how you look around it or how you try to bend reality with words, you cant hack an objective if you dont clear the enemy squad first.

Logis make more WP than you so you complain? Idea! Become a logi! It'll be fun! Or another idea and hear me out. What if Militia fittings get more points for killing than Proto? I mean it's harder, more of a challenge. As such should militia running suit jockies not be rewarded better for killing those with better equipment? Let the bickering begin \o/

TIERKILL 2
Normal wp for a kill =60 wp.

WP from a kill=60+5*(x-y)
x is enemy's dropsuits level
y is your dropsuit Level.

Levels=
Militia=1
Std=2
Adv=3
Proto=4
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