Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2015.01.13 12:04:00 -
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It's not necessarily that you don't recieve enough WP for a kill, it's that logi's earn WP from multiple incomes, some of which are passive, let's break it down.
Assault/Heavy (Offence Orientated Roles)
+50 Kill
+25 Assist
+100 NULL Point Hack
+50/25/12 NULL Point Hack Assist
+50 Installation Hack
+25/12 Installation Hack Assist
In additio to the following for
Logistics(Assuming PRO with Tool, Injector, Hives, Uplink)
+25 Team Spawn
+10 Resupply
+25 Triage
+30 Guardian
+60 Team Revive
The Logistics can earn WP in almost twice as many ways as the Assault, what we need are offence oriented bonuses, while everyone will still be able to earn them (like an Assault with hives can earn resupply points), these points will most often be awarded to people who play to kill, some examples below.
+20/10 FOCUSED FIRE
Triggers when you and a teammate kill an opponent by both firing upon him at the same time, unlike Assist you must both be firing uponnthe target when he dies, (normally this creates a race condition 1 kill, 1 Assist), the one attributed with the Assist recieves 20 and the Kill recieves 10
+15 SUPPRESION
Triggers when you force an enemy to disengage a friendly by firing upon him, this will be the main stay of WP earning for long range or low damage weapons.
+40 SAVIOR
Triggers when you kill or suppress an enemy who was firing upon a friendly with less than 40% eHP remaining, this hughe bonus can apply to Kills, Focused Fire and Suppresion
+15 AVENGER
Triggers when you kill an Enemy you OBSERVED killing a friendly, additional bonuses will bs given to logis who revive the fallen teamate after an Avenger bonus has been awarded
+10 SURVIVOR
Triggers when you kill an Enemy you engaged starting the engagement with 50% eHP or less.
+80 LAST STAND
Triggers for each enemy you kill with 1 mag or less remaining in your equipped weapon, using a nanohive or switching to/from a filled weapon disables this bonus.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2015.01.13 14:11:00 -
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Edau Skir2 wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:It's not necessarily that you don't recieve enough WP for a kill, it's that logi's earn WP from multiple incomes, some of which are passive, let's break it down.
Assault/Heavy (Offence Orientated Roles)
+50 Kill
+25 Assist
+100 NULL Point Hack
+50/25/12 NULL Point Hack Assist
+50 Installation Hack
+25/12 Installation Hack Assist
In additio to the following for
Logistics(Assuming PRO with Tool, Injector, Hives, Uplink)
+25 Team Spawn
+10 Resupply
+25 Triage
+30 Guardian
+60 Team Revive
The Logistics can earn WP in almost twice as many ways as the Assault, what we need are offence oriented bonuses, while everyone will still be able to earn them (like an Assault with hives can earn resupply points), these points will most often be awarded to people who play to kill, some examples below.
+20/10 FOCUSED FIRE
Triggers when you and a teammate kill an opponent by both firing upon him at the same time, unlike Assist you must both be firing uponnthe target when he dies, (normally this creates a race condition 1 kill, 1 Assist), the one attributed with the Assist recieves 20 and the Kill recieves 10
+15 SUPPRESION
Triggers when you force an enemy to disengage a friendly by firing upon him, this will be the main stay of WP earning for long range or low damage weapons.
+40 SAVIOR
Triggers when you kill or suppress an enemy who was firing upon a friendly with less than 40% eHP remaining, this hughe bonus can apply to Kills, Focused Fire and Suppresion
+15 AVENGER
Triggers when you kill an Enemy you OBSERVED killing a friendly, additional bonuses will bs given to logis who revive the fallen teamate after an Avenger bonus has been awarded
+10 SURVIVOR
Triggers when you kill an Enemy you engaged starting the engagement with 50% eHP or less.
+80 LAST STAND
Triggers for each enemy you kill with 1 mag or less remaining in your equipped weapon, using a nanohive or switching to/from a filled weapon disables this bonus. Your suggestions for assault oriented bonus WPs are solid ideas, but there is one major way this.can be exploited. Snipers. Think how many WPs snipers would get for shooting redberries in the combat zone. They'd overtake logis in no time at all
Potetially, although you aren't considering some of the rules I have already laid out.
Snipers are unlikely to achieve FOCUSED FIRE due to their incedibly slow rate of fire, since snipers are one of the slowest firing infantry weapons in the game you set the delay to be shorter than it's fire rate.
SUPPRESION is the biggest pull for Snipers to achieve, putting pot shots on redberries with a sniper usally makes them run a mile, Smipers would be recieveing a reward for doing one of their main jobs, suppressing the enemy
SAVIOUR will also be a big draw for snipers killing or suppressing an enemy who is firing on a teammate is rewarding that sniper for fullfilling his overwatch duties, once again this is something Snipers should be rewarded for.
AVENGER is simply a generic bonus, although with his limited FOV (pretty much exactly what he is aiming at, he is unlikely to directly observe and enemy killing someone, this makes this bonus relatively rare.
SURVIVOR is also unlikley to trigger with a sniper due to the lack of health a sniper has, they rarely start an egagement with 50% or less health and are even less likely to win.
LAST STAND is probably the one you are most concerned about, since a Sniper with one mag could potientally recieve an additional 80WP for each kill he makes, a simple modification so that between the 2 weapons you only 5% ammo capacity or less would solve this problem, furthermore add a 40m range limit so LAST STAND only really applies in close combat situations (such as defending a point).
You have to remember that Snipers are Assault/Slayer Orientated roles, they aren't recon or scout roles, at least not with the current mechanics, the majority of the bonuses that apply to Assaults and Heavies quite frivously in close combat encourage Snipers and other long range (Artillery style units) to maintain an overwatch on friendly units.
They then spend less time picking off that useless redberry in the middle of nowhere picking his nose and more time supporting his blues on the main assault. A sniper placed in prime posistion to suppress the enemy while his friends advance will be aptly rewarded.
If anything this improves Sniper dynamics more than the chance of people farming WP from the redline.
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Posted - 2015.01.13 15:31:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:As assault you are not to much bechnid ..... Yes you have equiptment slots!!! and bandwich too!
Logi are used for farm free good.. farm it the key word here, and CCP are ok with it.
As assault you can almost have kils and wp fro logistic job.
As scout you can get even more bonuses from broken playstyles?
What can says heavy?
No eq, no bandwitch?
Is this post are for more alienate them?
As av-heavy you can get only +75 because at optimal game design you shoudn't kill vehicle and very rarely get kill from it.
As hmg-heavy you get kill's ... only when you manage join to farm fest logi or two. (even vehicle driver can operate alone and get more wp)
I ask: Do you have more equal wp/sp distribution?
Heavies would be recieve the WP bonuses I have suggested, you also have to consider that heavies having so much health would get the SURVIOUR bonus quite regularly.
Not to mention SUPPRESION, FOCUS FIRE, SAVIOUR.
The suggested WP Rewards insetivise team play between players that aren't neccesarily on the same squad.
As for exploitation much like the logis who exploit hives around a supply depot, you won't do very well. Sure you might get a couple of more WP, but you would get much more if you actually earned them in the intentional way.
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