Edau Skir2
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.13 09:49:00 -
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Pagl1u M wrote:Hello everyone, I want to tell you about my friend. His in- game name is jhon hartigan, he created that character a while ago but started playing a couple of weeks ago. I'm happy to say he is really enjoing the game. Now, he decided to play as a logi because he saw the potential of farming WP of that role. I've been playing with him a lot recently, all he do is put a couple of uplinks, revive someone and repair heavies. I'm not complaing about it, he is doing his job, but it is not like he tries very hard.
Now, I'm a dedicated assault. As an assault my main job is killing. I average 20+ kills per match, with a lot of matches with 30+ kills. I'm usually the one that kills the most on the killfeed. I obviously also hack points.
The problem is my friend and other logis are almost always above me with their WP. Even when I have a great game, logis, without any effort can obtain more WPs than me. The other day I had a good match, finishing 45-4 and I ended third. With my friend ending third and I know he didnt do that much in that game.
That made me think
This isn't a great problem for me, I don't give a duck about WP and I have enough ISK and SP. But for a new player ending first or second or third can change a lot, a lot of WP means a lot of isk and a lot of SP. So the logi is better to farm those things.
I'm not complaining about logis being OP, I think they're balanced.
I'm just saying kills should be rewarded a little bit more, cause an assault doing his job should be rewarded as a logi doing his job. It is also strange that a great match from an assault is rewarded less than an average match from a logi.
Take a look at the numbers:
30 kills:30*50=1500WP half of those kills are near an objective=12*15=180 WP 10 assists= 25*10=250 WP 5 installation hacks=50*5=250 WP 3 Null Cannon hacks= 100*3=300 WP
30 kills, 10 assists, 8 hacks, I'd say this is a great match, the WPs obtained for all this are 2780. Not bad, but a logi not trying so hard can obtain those WP quite easily.
I'd say every kill should give you 70 or 80 WPs to help new player that dont want to play the logi role to farm isks and SPs more easily. This is an fps after all, your ability to kill should be rewarded
This. I much prefer combat to Logi-ing. Probably because somehow, I suck at logi-ing! I'm a Minmando damn it, if i have a good game, I'd like the high payouts for it, not the standard 200k isk, 4k sp for getting kills, hacks and a few team spawns in.
Although, maybe if the APEX suits destroyed dropped more isk it wouldn't be an issue
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Edau Skir2
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.13 12:23:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:It's not necessarily that you don't recieve enough WP for a kill, it's that logi's earn WP from multiple incomes, some of which are passive, let's break it down.
Assault/Heavy (Offence Orientated Roles) +50 Kill +25 Assist +100 NULL Point Hack +50/25/12 NULL Point Hack Assist +50 Installation Hack +25/12 Installation Hack Assist
In additio to the following for Logistics(Assuming PRO with Tool, Injector, Hives, Uplink) +25 Team Spawn +10 Resupply +25 Triage +30 Guardian +60 Team Revive
The Logistics can earn WP in almost twice as many ways as the Assault, what we need are offence oriented bonuses, while everyone will still be able to earn them (like an Assault with hives can earn resupply points), these points will most often be awarded to people who play to kill, some examples below.
+20/10 FOCUSED FIRE Triggers when you and a teammate kill an opponent by both firing upon him at the same time, unlike Assist you must both be firing uponnthe target when he dies, (normally this creates a race condition 1 kill, 1 Assist), the one attributed with the Assist recieves 20 and the Kill recieves 10
+15 SUPPRESION Triggers when you force an enemy to disengage a friendly by firing upon him, this will be the main stay of WP earning for long range or low damage weapons.
+40 SAVIOR Triggers when you kill or suppress an enemy who was firing upon a friendly with less than 40% eHP remaining, this hughe bonus can apply to Kills, Focused Fire and Suppresion
+15 AVENGER Triggers when you kill an Enemy you OBSERVED killing a friendly, additional bonuses will bs given to logis who revive the fallen teamate after an Avenger bonus has been awarded
+10 SURVIVOR Triggers when you kill an Enemy you engaged starting the engagement with 50% eHP or less.
+80 LAST STAND Triggers for each enemy you kill with 1 mag or less remaining in your equipped weapon, using a nanohive or switching to/from a filled weapon disables this bonus. Your suggestions for assault oriented bonus WPs are solid ideas, but there is one major way this.can be exploited. Snipers. Think how many WPs snipers would get for shooting redberries in the combat zone. They'd overtake logis in no time at all
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