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1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Learning Alliance 150	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:53:00 - [1] - Quote I'm wondering how simple it will be. Will there be restrictions or fees? Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? What do y'all think? Let us know if you have info. *Are You ScReWeD uP?* *Recruit BPO's*
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 599	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:56:00 - [2] - Quote I speculate that it will cost aurum to trade. Hello? any one there?
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6788	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:59:00 - [3] - Quote I speculate it's not going to come out. There has been no confirmation it will come in Feb. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6149	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:05:00 - [4] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: Will there be restrictions or fees? Well, player-to-player trades in Eve Online do not cost ISK; however, what I believe Simple Trading to be is more akin to contracts. Contracts in Eve Online are 10,000 ISK per. CCP uses this as a tiny ISK sink to keep ISK from being devalued. Dust 514 could learn a lesson from that. 1913 DfLo wrote: Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? Trading BPOs discourages AUR sales so, no, I don't see them allowing us to trade BPOs between players. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Ku Shala The Generals 1111	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:09:00 - [5] - Quote it will be the same as isk is exchanged, clone (a) gives x number of item to clone (b) *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Burst RR should fire like a charge sniper
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6788	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:15:00 - [6] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I speculate it's not going to come out. There has been no confirmation it will come in Feb. ...except on the roadmap that has been available to view since Uprising 1.10. Link. Under EPIC - User Experience: Simple Trading. So "want to do" with the lowest priority is now = "Will most certainly happen"? I'm still waiting for those Amarr and Min vehicles that were confirmed to come out over a year ago.... CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2375	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:19:00 - [7] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? Trading BPOs discourages AUR sales so, no, I don't see them allowing us to trade BPOs between players. Well, I do not see it damaging the sales at a noticeable rate, in fact it may just improve the richer figures in the AUR community to buy and sell more. You need to know something, we can not make BPOs out of thin air and thus to continue selling these you'd have to continue buying them. Eventually someone (most probably a wealthy version of me. ) will attempt to start up a little business selling BPOs. My opinion on should we be able to sell BPOs? Somewhat, certain items such as the Skinweaves and the Exile which can no longer be attained. My question to you, Ripley, Do you think they will allow BPCs to be traded? (Such as the Logicloop and the Flying Scotsman.) Kill Death Ratio is an invalid metric and thus should not be used to determine skill. Stabby Stabber.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6149	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:23:00 - [8] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: So "want to do" with the lowest priority is now = "Will most certainly happen"? It's tentative, yeah. Everything on the roadmap is tentative. There isn't a single red label "Must Do" on the entire roadmap. Just infer that they intend on rolling out the features listed under each EPIC. If they get pushed back then so be it. Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'm still waiting for those Amarr and Min vehicles that were confirmed to come out over a year ago... Did a blue tag actually say the Amarr and Minmatar vehicles were going to be released? All I've ever heard is that they might release them as reskinned versions of the current Caldari and Gallente vehicles. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5208	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:26:00 - [9] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: it will be the same as isk is exchanged, clone (a) gives x number of item to clone (b) I am expecting this. "Send Item" basically. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6149	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:26:00 - [10] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Well, I do not see it damaging the sales at a noticeable rate, in fact it may just improve the richer figures in the AUR community to buy and sell more. People trading BPOs for ISK might perk up the AUR sales a bit, but consider all of the people who won't have to purchase AUR because they bought their BPO from a player. sir RAVEN WING wrote: Do you think they will allow BPCs to be traded? (Such as the Logicloop and the Flying Scotsman.) They are destructible. I don't see why CCP would care about limiting the sales on these items. They eventually perish and have to be bought with AUR. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6789	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:27:00 - [11] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: So "want to do" with the lowest priority is now = "Will most certainly happen"? It's tentative, yeah. Everything on the roadmap is tentative. There isn't a single red label "Must Do" on the entire roadmap. Just infer that they intend on rolling out the features listed under each EPIC. If they get pushed back then so be it. Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'm still waiting for those Amarr and Min vehicles that were confirmed to come out over a year ago... Did a blue tag actually say the Amarr and Minmatar vehicles were going to be released? All I've ever heard is that they might release them as reskinned versions of the current Caldari and Gallente vehicles. Yeah they came out in fanfest 2013 showing Amarr and Min vehicles they were actual model of the amarr and min vehicles were unique and not reskinned. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5209	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:32:00 - [12] - Quote Also, as a note, my personal view is everything should be give-able. Even the most unique unobtainable items in EVE can be traded. PLEX in EVE is a system that allows people to pay for game time (a real money cost) with ISK, by a trade with another player. Similarly, trading in DUST would ensure that every AUR-only item would be attainable by free players via trading. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6149	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:32:00 - [13] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Yeah they came out in fanfest 2013 showing Amarr and Min vehicles they were actual model of the amarr and min vehicles were unique and not reskinned. And then Dust got a new EP and CCP Rattati who both basically said, in more words, "Promises made by our predecessors are void. Dust is under new management." Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6789	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:36:00 - [14] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Yeah they came out in fanfest 2013 showing Amarr and Min vehicles they were actual model of the amarr and min vehicles were unique and not reskinned. And then Dust got a new EP and CCP Rattati who both basically said, in more words, "Promises made by our predecessors are void. Dust is under new management." yeah that's super f*cked up. Everything CCP promised is now out the window. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6150	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:41:00 - [15] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Yeah that's super fcked up. Everything CCP promised is now out the window. Dude, the previous EP was promising all sorts of over the top nonsense that the dev team could never pull off. CCP Rouge and Rattati had to wipe the slate clean and start over. Dust needed to have things prioritized; I hate to say it, but vehicle parity isn't exactly ultra important to getting new players in Dust. /me hears the vehicle pilot horde coming... I'm not saying having racial vehicle parity isn't cool! New players are Dust's lifeblood. Without them this game dies. We need new players to keep revenues up. So long as Dust continues living CCP can work on the stuff we want. Unfortunately for us, CCP develops as fast as old people ***. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6789	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:47:00 - [16] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Yeah that's super fcked up. Everything CCP promised is now out the window. Dude, the previous EP was promising all sorts of over the top nonsense that the dev team could never pull off. CCP Rouge and Rattati had to wipe the slate clean and start over. Dust needed to have things prioritized; I hate to say it, but vehicle parity isn't exactly ultra important to getting new players in Dust. /me hears the vehicle pilot horde coming... I'm not saying having racial vehicle parity isn't cool! New players are Dust's lifeblood. Without them this game dies. We need new players to keep revenues up. So long as Dust continues living CCP can work on the stuff we want. Unfortunately for us, CCP develops as fast as old people ***. Trying to put the fault on old EP when it is actually on CCP. Who hired the guy that made all these promises, CCP is as much of the problem as a the old EP It's not that EP made all the old promises, it's that CCP made all the old promises. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6151	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:51:00 - [17] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Trying to put the fault on old EP when it is actually on CCP. Who hired the guy that made all these promises, CCP is as much of the problem as a the old EP. It's not that EP made all the old promises, it's that CCP made all the old promises. Play the blame game all you want; CCP, the previous EP, CCP Rouge. It's doesn't matter. What matters is the here and now. Present day Dust 514: **** everything that happened pre-Rattati. They can't undo the past anymore than you or I. They are working on making Dust work now. Does Dust need a shitload more vehicles to balance? As cool as they would be, no, not really. But we have some power to guide CCP's development. Are you on the crowdsourcing board yet? Get on there and upvote the card about the missing racial vehicles. That will tell CCP you really want those things. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6790	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:02:00 - [18] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Trying to put the fault on old EP when it is actually on CCP. Who hired the guy that made all these promises, CCP is as much of the problem as a the old EP. It's not that EP made all the old promises, it's that CCP made all the old promises. Play the blame game all you want; CCP, the previous EP, CCP Rouge. It's doesn't matter. What matters is the here and now. Present day Dust 514: **** everything that happened pre-Rattati. They can't undo the past anymore than you or I. They are working on making Dust work now. Does Dust need a shitload more vehicles to balance? As cool as they would be, no, not really. But we have some power to guide CCP's development. Are you on the crowdsourcing board yet? Get on there and upvote the card about the missing racial vehicles. That will tell CCP you really want those things. No it does matter. There need to accountability. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6151	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:07:00 - [19] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No it does matter. There need to accountability. Okay, you keep beating that drum. Keep asking for CCP Rattati and Rouge to deliver on promises they had no say in. See how far that gets you. Here is the crowdsourcing board: https://trello.com/b/8PvubQrN/dust-514-community-crowdsourcing I couldn't find a card for vehicle parity. Go there, create a card if you have an account. Hell, I'll even vote on it if you link it here. This gets it on CCP's radar. Let other players show their support of the idea. Just be aware that when given the choice of improving Dust's existing features or adding new assets, Rattati is probably going to choose the former 9 out of 10 times. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2376	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:08:00 - [20] - Quote This thread turned into Victor and Riley talking about who's to blame about Racial Parity never happening. Kill Death Ratio is an invalid metric and thus should not be used to determine skill. Stabby Stabber.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6154	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:11:00 - [21] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: This thread turned into Victor and Riley talking about who's to blame about Racial Parity never happening. **! Erm... Soraya Xel wrote:** Also, as a note, my personal view is everything should be give-able. I hope CCP follows you in that belief, Soraya. It would be very player-friendly if we could finally have a market for BPOs, boosters, etc. It would be incredible if players could sell off respec tokens to each other with ISK. aaand now we're back on track. My bad OP. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6790	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:12:00 - [22] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No it does matter. There need to accountability. Okay, you keep beating that drum. Keep asking for CCP Rattati and Rouge to deliver on promises they had no say in. See how far that gets you. Here is the crowdsourcing board: https://trello.com/b/8PvubQrN/dust-514-community-crowdsourcing I couldn't find a card for vehicle parity. Go there, create a card if you have an account. Hell, I'll even vote on it if you link it here. This gets it on CCP's radar. Let other players show their support of the idea. Just be aware that when given the choice of improving Dust's existing features or adding new assets, Rattati is probably going to choose the former 9 out of 10 times. It's not about vehicle parity it's not about CCP rogue or rattati. It's about CCP as a company. They can't just say we hired this guy it did not work out so we hired someone else now it will work out. There should not be this get out of jail free card. I don't take it as the old EP made these promises, i take it as CCP made these promises and they were broken. If CCP rogue left tomorrow and they got a new EP and then he said. We are shutting down dust and work exclusively on legion. would you say "Well this guy did not make any promises to work on dust so that is a completely legitimate decision" CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5212	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:21:00 - [23] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's not about vehicle parity it's not about CCP rogue or rattati. It's about CCP as a company. They can't just say we hired this guy it did not work out so we hired someone else now it will work out. There should not be this get out of jail free card. I don't take it as the old EP made these promises, i take it as CCP made these promises and they were broken. If CCP rogue left tomorrow and they got a new EP and then he said. We are shutting down dust and work exclusively on legion. would you say "Well this guy did not make any promises to work on dust so that is a completely legitimate decision" Let me explain why you are an idiot. Because the former EP made mistakes. Those promises, were a part of those mistakes. When you get a new EP, you don't tell the new guy "you have to keep making the mistakes the old EP made", because that's dumb. You seem to think that a company should be prohibited from fixing what it did wrong. Those promises were a mistake. The new team is trying not to make those mistakes. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5212	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:23:00 - [24] - Quote Also, actually, nobody at CCP ever said "I promise", "we promise", or the word "promise" either. So in addition to your poor expectations that the new EP should be forced to follow the old EP's path to run the game into the ground, you've decided that a tentative plan, which did not to fruition, now amounts to a "promise". CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9127	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:24:00 - [25] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's not about vehicle parity it's not about CCP rogue or rattati. It's about CCP as a company. They can't just say we hired this guy it did not work out so we hired someone else now it will work out. There should not be this get out of jail free card. I don't take it as the old EP made these promises, i take it as CCP made these promises and they were broken. If CCP rogue left tomorrow and they got a new EP and then he said. We are shutting down dust and work exclusively on legion. would you say "Well this guy did not make any promises to work on dust so that is a completely legitimate decision" Let me explain why you are an idiot. Because the former EP made mistakes. Those promises, were a part of those mistakes. When you get a new EP, you don't tell the new guy "you have to keep making the mistakes the old EP made", because that's dumb. You seem to think that a company should be prohibited from fixing what it did wrong. Those promises were a mistake. The new team is trying not to make those mistakes. And people wonder why I constantly call you the worst CPM. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5212	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:25:00 - [26] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: And people wonder why I constantly call you the worst CPM. I'm okay with you feeling that. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Yokal Bob Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 599	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:26:00 - [27] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I speculate it's not going to come out. There has been no confirmation it will come in Feb. i concur, i think feb will more likely be us required to pay aurum to play If its not anime, its not real
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6154	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:30:00 - [28] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: I concur, i think feb will more likely be us required to pay aurum to play Thank goodness! /me affixes monocle. That should corral the peasantry quite well. Shoo shoo, your betters are playing a lovely skirmish match. Run along! Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6790	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:37:00 - [29] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's not about vehicle parity it's not about CCP rogue or rattati. It's about CCP as a company. They can't just say we hired this guy it did not work out so we hired someone else now it will work out. There should not be this get out of jail free card. I don't take it as the old EP made these promises, i take it as CCP made these promises and they were broken. If CCP rogue left tomorrow and they got a new EP and then he said. We are shutting down dust and work exclusively on legion. would you say "Well this guy did not make any promises to work on dust so that is a completely legitimate decision" Let me explain why you are an idiot. Because the former EP made mistakes. Those promises, were a part of those mistakes. When you get a new EP, you don't tell the new guy "you have to keep making the mistakes the old EP made", because that's dumb. You seem to think that a company should be prohibited from fixing what it did wrong. Those promises were a mistake. The new team is trying not to make those mistakes. So i'm just suppose to forgive CCP for making the mistakes they did because they call "Bad EP" then move on. I'm not saying they can't make changes if you would read. I said i don't care about vehicle parity. I'm saying CCP still needs to be held accountable for hiring the old EP and i'm not going just let them saying we are starting over again and let them think that i am completely okay with how being lied to by the company. The EP made mistakes, but he represented CCP at that time so CCP so it is also made that mistake. Why should i take faith in the EP. CCP as a company has not gotten my trust back because they said "New EP" and apparently people think that means all problems solved. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5216	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:41:00 - [30] - Quote What do you mean by accountable? What do you feel CCP has to do to make you happy, Viktor? I will pass along to CCP, "Hey guys, Viktor says this is what will make him happy." CCP didn't lie to you by showing concepts for Amarr and Minmatar vehicles. They showed you a roadmap, and that roadmap didn't happen. You decided it was a promise, but it never was. There was never any assurance that was made that specific things would be delivered within a specific timeframe. So what exactly are you expecting CCP to be accountable to? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6791	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:49:00 - [31] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: What do you mean by accountable? What do you feel CCP has to do to make you happy, Viktor? I will pass along to CCP, "Hey guys, Viktor says this is what will make him happy." CCP didn't lie to you by showing concepts for Amarr and Minmatar vehicles. They showed you a roadmap, and that roadmap didn't happen. You decided it was a promise, but it never was. There was never any assurance that was made that specific things would be delivered within a specific timeframe. So what exactly are you expecting CCP to be accountable to? For saying sht will happen and never following through with it. Mistakes can be made and changed. But way before Dust was even released i was thinking "well from all i'm reading we are not even getting half the things that were on the road map during beta." And then the EP kept promising more and more. Yet half the things CCP was boasting and trying to get never even made it into the full game. Then what is the purpose of a road map if it's not being followed through with. Why should i think this road map is any better than the old one. How do i know they will follow through here when they did not with the old one. You say all this sht you want to do then do nothing. The EP is doing this under the charge of CCP. Why should i have faith in CCP when they let people do whatever they want with no check and balances when there EP says things should be done but it is not. I'm saying i remember the old EP and i remember the thing him and CCP said they are wanting to do. I don't feel like i should have faith in CCP right off the bat just because they say "New EP" CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5216	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:54:00 - [32] - Quote So what do you expect them to do about it, Viktor? Or is this whole tirade you saying you're bitter, intend to keep being bitter, and will continue reminding people of it on a regular basis? Are you saying CCP should give up trying to make you happy, because you'll hold every past mistake from former employees over them in perpetuity? I mean, there's like nothing to work with in your post here. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6791	Posted - 2015.01.05 19:00:00 - [33] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So what do you expect them to do about it, Viktor? Or is this whole tirade you saying you're bitter, intend to keep being bitter, and will continue reminding people of it on a regular basis? Are you saying CCP should give up trying to make you happy, because you'll hold every past mistake from former employees over them in perpetuity? I mean, there's like nothing to work with in your post here. I'm expecting them to keep working like they have been recently and over time i will gain faith in them. What are you expecting me to do. Say "Well lol that was fun, a lot of the thing you said that were going to happen did not. But let me put all my faith into your next project like nothing happen." CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 497	Posted - 2015.01.05 19:18:00 - [34] - Quote I forsee endless threads of QQ like "i paid but he didn't send me my order" & "i sent their order but never got payment". Investing in popcorn now, the show begins soon! Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
Omega Black Zero Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 141	Posted - 2015.01.05 19:28:00 - [35] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: And people wonder why I constantly call you the worst CPM. I'm okay with you feeling that. I'm glad I voted for you.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5218	Posted - 2015.01.05 19:29:00 - [36] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'm expecting them to keep working like they have been recently and over time i will gain faith in them. Okay. I get that. Hopefully they'll exceed your current expectations then. 2Berries wrote: I forsee endless threads of QQ like "i paid but he didn't send me my order" & "i sent their order but never got payment". Investing in popcorn now, the show begins soon! I assume escrow services will be a thing. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Learning Alliance 155	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:17:00 - [37] - Quote Oh Boy. Not what I expected from this thread. Looks like it took a wrong turn. *Are You ScReWeD uP?* *Recruit BPO's*
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 98	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:25:00 - [38] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: I'm wondering how simple it will be. Will there be restrictions or fees? Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? What do y'all think? Let us know if you have info. I'll bet that it will require Aurum to use. Calling it right here. Will bring this post back up in February when this happens. Dust 5/14 bandwidth lol And totally not p2w haha
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1859	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:31:00 - [39] - Quote most likely it will be simple player to player trading away from the complicated market system. player "A" sells player "B", "X" item for "Y" amount of isk per item All Hail Legion
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 243	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:04:00 - [40] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Also, actually, nobody at CCP ever said "I promise", "we promise", or the word "promise" either. So in addition to your poor expectations that the new EP should be forced to follow the old EP's path to run the game into the ground, you've decided that a tentative plan, which did not to fruition, now amounts to a "promise". The phrase used at fanfest by laurino at his keynote which was 2012 I think as I recall regarding pve, drones, vehicles, frames and weapons was '... And it's all coming in 2013.' This sounds like a promise to me , and is therefore the mistake mentioned. I really hope dust 2.0 in Feb isn't just some fluff squeezed into existing mechanics. I know we have the roadmap and Ratatis statements about it but people we be very disappointed if warbarges are simply an isk sink and there isn't some extra gameplay about them. For example will we see them on the map, will we have to move them about to avoid being attacked ourselves? Or will it just be a screen that says 'well done you bought a warbarge...'. Again simple trading does not mean a market it more than likely means you will be able to pass thing around players hopefully not restricted to your own characters. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10680	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:52:00 - [41] - Quote I'm going to play the Robot Devil's Advocate here for a moment on behalf of Viktor. Technically Viktor does have a point that CCP needs to be held accountable for its lack of maintaining its promises. Even if the promise was a very loose promise like "we hope to implement [insert feature here] by this time" or "we hope to fix [insert broken mechanic here] by this time" or whatever. A promise is a promise. What I think Viktor is simply asking for here is not to force CCP to keep those old promises but to at least have CCP finally admit to the mistake of never being able to deliver. Remember the 750,000 SP screwup that CCP Rattati did not too long ago? He managed to get off Scott Free by the community because he admitted to his **** ups. He has the balls to come forward and say "Oops! I done goofed! Sorry, I won't let this happen again." But he didn't even stop there. Rattati even went as far as making amends with the players who felt slighted by at least trying to keep to his word saying "Ok, we'll let you have the 750,000 SP Cap for 30 days and see how it goes from there." So far, we still have 750,000 SP weekly cap even when we are way past the 30 day mark. I guess it hasn't caused problems so far. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1720	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:56:00 - [42] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: it will be the same as isk is exchanged, clone (a) gives x number of item to clone (b) I am expecting this. "Send Item" basically. This would be pretty fitting. Something else to screw over newbs is exactly what this game needs. Likely to be yet another CCP band aid on a bullet wound. Maybe this one will have little blue duckies on it.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10680	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:57:00 - [43] - Quote Z3dog wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: I'm wondering how simple it will be. Will there be restrictions or fees? Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? What do y'all think? Let us know if you have info. I'll bet that it will require Aurum to use. Calling it right here. Will bring this post back up in February when this happens. Not likely. If there are going to be fees imposed, those fees will likely be that of Eve Online's broker fees and sales taxes which take off only a small percentage of the value of the sale. It will be absolutely stupid for CCP to require AUR payment just to sell a junk item. I don't see that ever happening. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10680	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:59:00 - [44] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: it will be the same as isk is exchanged, clone (a) gives x number of item to clone (b) I am expecting this. "Send Item" basically. This would be pretty fitting. Something else to screw over newbs is exactly what this game needs. Likely to be yet another CCP band aid on a bullet wound. Maybe this one will have little blue duckies on it. Actually, this is already happening in Eve Online with the Trade Window. Of course, new players in Eve already know what they're getting themselves into when they join. New players for Dust on the other hand might not know about this. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1720	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:00:00 - [45] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Z3dog wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: I'm wondering how simple it will be. Will there be restrictions or fees? Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? What do y'all think? Let us know if you have info. I'll bet that it will require Aurum to use. Calling it right here. Will bring this post back up in February when this happens. Not likely. If there are going to be fees imposed, those fees will likely be that of Eve Online's broker fees and sales taxes which take off only a small percentage of the value of the sale. It will be absolutely stupid for CCP to require AUR payment just to sell a junk item. I don't see that ever happening. LOL. Jara the market agent? How about AUR to open 1 of 1 million boxes in your inventory that will likely result in dressed up starter fits?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10680	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:04:00 - [46] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Z3dog wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: I'm wondering how simple it will be. Will there be restrictions or fees? Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? What do y'all think? Let us know if you have info. I'll bet that it will require Aurum to use. Calling it right here. Will bring this post back up in February when this happens. Not likely. If there are going to be fees imposed, those fees will likely be that of Eve Online's broker fees and sales taxes which take off only a small percentage of the value of the sale. It will be absolutely stupid for CCP to require AUR payment just to sell a junk item. I don't see that ever happening. LOL. Jara the market agent? How about AUR to open 1 of 1 million boxes in your inventory that will likely result in dressed up starter fits? You don't need Jara Kumora to sell anything. She's just there to boost the sell back. Also, I can grind Daily Missions for those keys without having to pay AUR in any way. Of course, this means I have 200+ boxes and only earned 6 free keys. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1720	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:13:00 - [47] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: it will be the same as isk is exchanged, clone (a) gives x number of item to clone (b) I am expecting this. "Send Item" basically. This would be pretty fitting. Something else to screw over newbs is exactly what this game needs. Likely to be yet another CCP band aid on a bullet wound. Maybe this one will have little blue duckies on it. Actually, this is already happening in Eve Online with the Trade Window. Of course, new players in Eve already know what they're getting themselves into when they join. New players for Dust on the other hand might not know about this. The trade window in Eve lists the items being traded very clearly and requires both parties to hit accept. Soraya's post at least seems to imply it will merely be the ability to send items at the promise of sending ISK later or vice versa. I do not think we have gotten one single COMPLETED and WELL FUNCTIONING mechanic in this game so why would trading be any different. Bonus points and possibly even ISK if you can name anything that is as stated above one single COMPLETED and WELL FUNCTIONING mechanic. Before you say it, inertia dampeners and "give money" do not count.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1720	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:16:00 - [48] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Z3dog wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: I'm wondering how simple it will be. Will there be restrictions or fees? Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? What do y'all think? Let us know if you have info. I'll bet that it will require Aurum to use. Calling it right here. Will bring this post back up in February when this happens. Not likely. If there are going to be fees imposed, those fees will likely be that of Eve Online's broker fees and sales taxes which take off only a small percentage of the value of the sale. It will be absolutely stupid for CCP to require AUR payment just to sell a junk item. I don't see that ever happening. LOL. Jara the market agent? How about AUR to open 1 of 1 million boxes in your inventory that will likely result in dressed up starter fits? You don't need Jara Kumora to sell anything. She's just there to boost the sell back. Also, I can grind Daily Missions for those keys without having to pay AUR in any way. Of course, this means I have 200+ boxes and only earned 6 free keys. As far as Jara goes you are correct getting more isk is not required but neither is trading anything higher than militia gear. I have seen 2 missions for keys that require no AUR while I have seen like 8 missions that require AUR in some form.
thehellisgoingon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 113	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:26:00 - [49] - Quote This is good reading material for when you need to release the chocolate dragons into the Phantom zone.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10681	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:30:00 - [50] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: As far as Jara goes you are correct getting more isk is not required but neither is trading anything higher than militia gear. I have seen 2 missions for keys that require no AUR while I have seen like 8 missions that require AUR in some form. My point here is that I don't need to spend AUR for those. It's a hell of a grind, sure, but my point is clear. EDIT: PS: I have Jara, but only because I'm so lonely in my merc quarters. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10681	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:35:00 - [51] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: it will be the same as isk is exchanged, clone (a) gives x number of item to clone (b) I am expecting this. "Send Item" basically. This would be pretty fitting. Something else to screw over newbs is exactly what this game needs. Likely to be yet another CCP band aid on a bullet wound. Maybe this one will have little blue duckies on it. Actually, this is already happening in Eve Online with the Trade Window. Of course, new players in Eve already know what they're getting themselves into when they join. New players for Dust on the other hand might not know about this. The trade window in Eve lists the items being traded very clearly and requires both parties to hit accept. Soraya's post at least seems to imply it will merely be the ability to send items at the promise of sending ISK later or vice versa. I do not think we have gotten one single COMPLETED and WELL FUNCTIONING mechanic in this game so why would trading be any different. Bonus points and possibly even ISK if you can name anything that is as stated above one single COMPLETED and WELL FUNCTIONING mechanic. Before you say it, inertia dampeners and "give money" do not count. I see what you mean. Also, as to your bonus points and ISK offer... Nova Knives. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6815	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:38:00 - [52] - Quote I could not give less f*cks about vehicle parity the thing that gets to me is how easily it was dismissed and moved away from like nothing happen. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1720	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:43:00 - [53] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I see what you mean. Also, as to your bonus points and ISK offer... Nova Knives. Well, I have never used Nova Knives but I do not see much bitching about them so I suppose I can accept that. One question tho: Do Nova Knives fall victim to the glitch where if you are hacking and turn you can not use said weapon?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10681	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:47:00 - [54] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm going to play the Robot Devil's Advocate here for a moment on behalf of Viktor. Technically Viktor does have a point that CCP needs to be held accountable for its lack of maintaining its promises. Even if the promise was a very loose promise like "we hope to implement [insert feature here] by this time" or "we hope to fix [insert broken mechanic here] by this time" or whatever. A promise is a promise. What I think Viktor is simply asking for here is not to force CCP to keep those old promises but to at least have CCP finally admit to the mistake of never being able to deliver. Remember the 750,000 SP screwup that CCP Rattati did not too long ago? He managed to get off Scott Free by the community because he admitted to his **** ups. He has the balls to come forward and say "Oops! I done goofed! Sorry, I won't let this happen again." But he didn't even stop there. Rattati even went as far as making amends with the players who felt slighted by at least trying to keep to his word saying "Ok, we'll let you have the 750,000 SP Cap for 30 days and see how it goes from there." So far, we still have 750,000 SP weekly cap even when we are way past the 30 day mark. I guess it hasn't caused problems so far. I could not give less fcks about vehicle parity the thing that gets to me is how easily it was dismissed and moved away from like nothing happen along with everything else that was said would happen. So easily whipped the slate clear like i should put all my invest into the new vision without asking any questions. But am I correct in my assumption that what you're looking for is CCP to finally come forward and publicly admit to it past mistakes? I mean, CCP did just that for Eve Online shortly after the Jita Riots of 2011 when Incarna proved to be a total cluster ***. It's shouldn't be hard for CCP to do that for Dust. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10681	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:48:00 - [55] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I see what you mean. Also, as to your bonus points and ISK offer... Nova Knives. Well, I have never used Nova Knives but I do not see much bitching about them so I suppose I can accept that. One question tho: Do Nova Knives fall victim to the glitch where if you are hacking and turn you can not use said weapon? I have not had that problem so far and I have been knifing and hacking for 2 years. If they did, it was fixed without me realizing it. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6815	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:50:00 - [56] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm going to play the Robot Devil's Advocate here for a moment on behalf of Viktor. Technically Viktor does have a point that CCP needs to be held accountable for its lack of maintaining its promises. Even if the promise was a very loose promise like "we hope to implement [insert feature here] by this time" or "we hope to fix [insert broken mechanic here] by this time" or whatever. A promise is a promise. What I think Viktor is simply asking for here is not to force CCP to keep those old promises but to at least have CCP finally admit to the mistake of never being able to deliver. Remember the 750,000 SP screwup that CCP Rattati did not too long ago? He managed to get off Scott Free by the community because he admitted to his **** ups. He has the balls to come forward and say "Oops! I done goofed! Sorry, I won't let this happen again." But he didn't even stop there. Rattati even went as far as making amends with the players who felt slighted by at least trying to keep to his word saying "Ok, we'll let you have the 750,000 SP Cap for 30 days and see how it goes from there." So far, we still have 750,000 SP weekly cap even when we are way past the 30 day mark. I guess it hasn't caused problems so far. I could not give less fcks about vehicle parity the thing that gets to me is how easily it was dismissed and moved away from like nothing happen along with everything else that was said would happen. So easily whipped the slate clear like i should put all my invest into the new vision without asking any questions. But am I correct in my assumption that what you're looking for is CCP to finally come forward and publicly admit to it past mistakes? I mean, CCP did just that for Eve Online shortly after the Jita Riots of 2011 when Incarna proved to be a total cluster ***. It's shouldn't be hard for CCP to do that for Dust. That would be nice or some sort of why we are changing everything type of statement. Everyone already kind of knew why but CCP themselves kind of glided over it a bit and was more of like well this is how things are going to be now, just because. They don't have to but that would help me with regaining faith and confidence in them again. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10681	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:51:00 - [57] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: But am I correct in my assumption that what you're looking for is CCP to finally come forward and publicly admit to it past mistakes? I mean, CCP did just that for Eve Online shortly after the Jita Riots of 2011 when Incarna proved to be a total cluster ****. It's shouldn't be hard for CCP to do that for Dust. That would be nice or some sort of why we are changing everything type of statement. They don't have to but that would help me with regaining faith and confidence in them again. Thank you for clarifying. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1720	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:55:00 - [58] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I see what you mean. Also, as to your bonus points and ISK offer... Nova Knives. Well, I have never used Nova Knives but I do not see much bitching about them so I suppose I can accept that. One question tho: Do Nova Knives fall victim to the glitch where if you are hacking and turn you can not use said weapon? I have not had that problem so far and I have been knifing and hacking for 2 years. If they did, it was fixed without me realizing it. That glitch could be limited to the HMG as I have not had that issue in any other suit. Bonus points achieved. I will try to hop online here in a bit and drop you 5 million ISK. If not tonight I will have it to you by tomorrow.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10681	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:00:00 - [59] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I see what you mean. Also, as to your bonus points and ISK offer... Nova Knives. Well, I have never used Nova Knives but I do not see much bitching about them so I suppose I can accept that. One question tho: Do Nova Knives fall victim to the glitch where if you are hacking and turn you can not use said weapon? I have not had that problem so far and I have been knifing and hacking for 2 years. If they did, it was fixed without me realizing it. That glitch could be limited to the HMG as I have not had that issue in any other suit. Bonus points achieved. I will try to hop online here in a bit and drop you 5 million ISK. If not tonight I will have it to you by tomorrow. Thanks. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5222	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:03:00 - [60] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: The phrase used at fanfest by laurino at his keynote which was 2012 I think as I recall regarding pve, drones, vehicles, frames and weapons was '... And it's all coming in 2013.' This sounds like a promise to me , and is therefore the mistake mentioned. He may have been wrong, but there's a far stretch between an announcement and a 'promise'. Plans change, and unless someone made a blood pact or a contract with you, or at least said "let's pinky swear on it", no, you weren't promised crud. Lady MDK wrote: I really hope dust 2.0 in Feb isn't just some fluff squeezed into existing mechanics. I know we have the roadmap and Ratatis statements about it but people we be very disappointed if warbarges are simply an isk sink and there isn't some extra gameplay about them. For example will we see them on the map, will we have to move them about to avoid being attacked ourselves? Or will it just be a screen that says 'well done you bought a warbarge...'. There should be some new gameplay for sure, but bear in mind that this is an iterative project. It's a big project for a pretty small dev team. Not everything will exist in February, but hopefully over the cycle of patches in the new release, it will end up a robust system. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5222	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:07:00 - [61] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Technically Viktor does have a point that CCP needs to be held accountable for its lack of maintaining its promises. Even if the promise was a very loose promise like "we hope to implement [insert feature here] by this time" or "we hope to fix [insert broken mechanic here] by this time" or whatever. A promise is a promise. "We hope" is now a promise? o_o Wut? So when you look at the current roadmap, if something gets bumped a patch or doesn't happen, we're going to get this whole "but CCP promised me!" thing? That's the sort of attitude that makes CCP hesitant to share their plans. Please do not make my job of getting them to communicate stuff harder by being completely and totally unreasonable. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 99	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:13:00 - [62] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Z3dog wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: I'm wondering how simple it will be. Will there be restrictions or fees? Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? What do y'all think? Let us know if you have info. I'll bet that it will require Aurum to use. Calling it right here. Will bring this post back up in February when this happens. Not likely. If there are going to be fees imposed, those fees will likely be that of Eve Online's broker fees and sales taxes which take off only a small percentage of the value of the sale. It will be absolutely stupid for CCP to require AUR payment just to sell a junk item. I don't see that ever happening. You're acting like something being stupid will stop CCP from doing it. bandwidth lol And totally not p2w haha
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10682	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:34:00 - [63] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Technically Viktor does have a point that CCP needs to be held accountable for its lack of maintaining its promises. Even if the promise was a very loose promise like "we hope to implement [insert feature here] by this time" or "we hope to fix [insert broken mechanic here] by this time" or whatever. A promise is a promise. "We hope" is now a promise? o_o Wut? So when you look at the current roadmap, if something gets bumped a patch or doesn't happen, we're going to get this whole "but CCP promised me!" thing? That's the sort of attitude that makes CCP hesitant to share their plans. Please do not make my job of getting them to communicate stuff harder by being completely and totally unreasonable. If CCP bumps off a feature due to delays, then they should at least own up to that delay and say "sorry". But if they bump it back and pretend that nothing happened, they're going to get some angry reactions. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1721	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:39:00 - [64] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Technically Viktor does have a point that CCP needs to be held accountable for its lack of maintaining its promises. Even if the promise was a very loose promise like "we hope to implement [insert feature here] by this time" or "we hope to fix [insert broken mechanic here] by this time" or whatever. A promise is a promise. "We hope" is now a promise? o_o Wut? So when you look at the current roadmap, if something gets bumped a patch or doesn't happen, we're going to get this whole "but CCP promised me!" thing? That's the sort of attitude that makes CCP hesitant to share their plans. Please do not make my job of getting them to communicate stuff harder by being completely and totally unreasonable. I can not speak for the others involved but I know the promises I see broken are specifically the "10 year road map" and "laser focused on the PS3". These are things that CCP repeated countless times and then threw them out the window in the blink of an eye. These actions permanently hurt my thinking on anything CCP has to say in the future and while it is not required in any way a simple apology and some actual explanation in to their thought process on these actions would certainly make me more likely to care about this game. It is to a point where I have moved most of my gaming time to Eve and love it but thanks to their past actions I still refuse to pre pay for more than a month or two at a time. Having a game good enough that I would prepay for a 1 year subscription but a company that does not garner the same trust is not good by any stretch of the imagination.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 260	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:47:00 - [65] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Yeah that's super fcked up. Everything CCP promised is now out the window. Dude, the previous EP was promising all sorts of over the top nonsense that the dev team could never pull off. CCP Rouge and Rattati had to wipe the slate clean and start over. Dust needed to have things prioritized; I hate to say it, but vehicle parity isn't exactly ultra important to getting new players in Dust. /me hears the vehicle pilot horde coming... I'm not saying having racial vehicle parity isn't cool! New players are Dust's lifeblood. Without them this game dies. We need new players to keep revenues up. So long as Dust continues living CCP can work on the stuff we want. Unfortunately for us, CCP develops as fast as old people ***. a free BPO LAV like there used to be would be awesome. especially once the racial LAVs are out. It would be nice to not be the only one at an objective waiting for the other team to slaughter me Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3450	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:49:00 - [66] - Quote Damit I really need to find a ps3 so i can sell my angels cartel Lav. That things got be worn 500k by know of not more =ƒÿå. +all the closed beta and squad cup officer gear I have kicking around =ƒÿå You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 743	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:07:00 - [67] - Quote A simple rule when interacting with CPM+CCP: -do not trust them -they are there to rip you off -if they can make money with it they will do it -there are no promises only "false advertisement" to keep the sheeps calm I wouldnt be surprised when CCP would say at the eve fanfest that they gonna pull the plug on dust within 1-3 months after announcing it. Just remember last years "keynote" and its apocalyptic effect it had on the community. Im sure they gonna top it this year. And i will watch it so in case if it happends just so i can say that i told ya. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 261	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:35:00 - [68] - Quote Im sure last years keynote was just a scare to destroy the large corps. and it worked Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
Sequal's Back Les Desanusseurs 88	Posted - 2015.01.06 10:46:00 - [69] - Quote Hey! It's just gonna be a send item button like the send ISK we already have. CCP are waaaaay to busy to code a real trade window. Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6167	Posted - 2015.01.06 10:49:00 - [70] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ku Shala wrote: it will be the same as isk is exchanged, clone (a) gives x number of item to clone (b) I am expecting this. "Send Item" basically. This means there will be a market for trustworthy middlemen. DUST versions of chribba. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.


ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1438	Posted - 2015.01.06 11:18:00 - [71] - Quote I'm ready to assist /c DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6167	Posted - 2015.01.06 11:23:00 - [72] - Quote Oddly so am I. Chribba proved a long time ago that scamming is a penny farmer game. There was just no trade system to back up doing it. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6185	Posted - 2015.01.06 13:30:00 - [73] - Quote OP, simple player trading has been pushed to Next Release 1.1 (March). Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1680	Posted - 2015.01.06 15:57:00 - [74] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? Trading BPOs discourages AUR sales so, no, I don't see them allowing us to trade BPOs between players. ...But on the other hand, that would enable people to buy BPOs, the most wanted AUR stuff, in order to sell to others for isk. Same principle as PLEX. Although there are a ton of things already that can be used for same boosters not being the least. Pro-choice! For hazardous self-activated inertial dampeners! We want to live on the edge (((of MCC)))
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Learning Alliance 162	Posted - 2015.01.06 17:06:00 - [75] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: OP, simple player trading has been pushed to Next Release 1.1 (March). Well that sucks. Just saw that. Thanks for the update. o7 *Are You ScReWeD uP?* *Recruit BPO's*
Nirwanda Vaughns 1182	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:08:00 - [76] - Quote Anyone with a balac Ck.0 and SMG/Sniper rifle looking to sell one copy of each i'll happily fork out 25m for the 3 items just to have one of each Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2839	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:45:00 - [77] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's not that EP made all the old promises, it's that CCP made all the old promises. I think you are confusing "promises" with "vision". At the end of the day, it's water under the bridge, and nothing can change the past.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1185	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:51:00 - [78] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's not that EP made all the old promises, it's that CCP made all the old promises. I think you are confusing "promises" with "vision". At the end of the day, it's water under the bridge, and nothing can change the past. Marty McFly says otherwise Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Harpyja Legio DXIV 2243	Posted - 2015.01.06 19:02:00 - [79] - Quote Nevermind "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10685	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:16:00 - [80] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: OP, simple player trading has been pushed to Next Release 1.1 (March). Well that sucks. Just saw that. Thanks for the update. o7 Well, at the very least, Simple Crafting was pushed forward to the 1.1 version of the next release which means we'll get both Simple Trading and Simple Crafting at the same time. Or so we hope. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 163	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:49:00 - [81] - Quote All the stuff on trello is tentative, I think a lot of stuff will get pushed back and probably never come out before Dust 514 shuts down .
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6833	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:51:00 - [82] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's not that EP made all the old promises, it's that CCP made all the old promises. I think you are confusing "promises" with "vision". At the end of the day, it's water under the bridge, and nothing can change the past. When they said they were laser focused on dust was that just a vision? Then half a year later had a playable version of EVE legion. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 494	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:53:00 - [83] - Quote I"m getting rid of the Crappy Templar Dropsuits and the Scrambler pistol and Laser RifleNOT the Scrambler rifle. For 30 million ISK first come first serve. Send me a message by psn if interested. Serious buyers only. Happy hunting. my psn is JIMvc2 MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5622	Posted - 2015.01.06 21:01:00 - [84] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Well, I do not see it damaging the sales at a noticeable rate, in fact it may just improve the richer figures in the AUR community to buy and sell more. People trading BPOs for ISK might perk up the AUR sales a bit, but consider all of the people who won't have to purchase AUR because they bought their BPO from a player. sir RAVEN WING wrote: Do you think they will allow BPCs to be traded? (Such as the Logicloop and the Flying Scotsman.) They are destructible. I don't see why CCP would care about limiting the sales on these items. They eventually perish and have to be bought with AUR. Being able to trade boosters and BPOs for ISK would lead to MORE AUR sales in my opinion. The people spending money now will be able to spend $ for ISK. Similar to what you see in Eve with Plex. The demand for ISK Boosters and BPOs would be high and there are plenty of people that would rather trade some AUR stuff for ISK than grind in crappy gear. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6217	Posted - 2015.01.06 21:06:00 - [85] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: I"m getting rid of the Crappy Templar Dropsuits and the Scrambler pistol and Laser RifleNOT the Scrambler rifle. For 30 million ISK first come first serve. Send me a message by psn if interested. Serious buyers only. Happy hunting. my psn is JIMvc2 Messaged you. Have an ad in the Code Bazaar already? Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5237	Posted - 2015.01.06 21:51:00 - [86] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Being able to trade boosters and BPOs for ISK would lead to MORE AUR sales in my opinion. The people spending money now will be able to spend $ for ISK. Similar to what you see in Eve with Plex. The demand for ISK Boosters and BPOs would be high and there are plenty of people that would rather trade some AUR stuff for ISK than grind in crappy gear. Thor, you are I are on the same page here. Trading of AUR items will probably be a big thing to help CCP's AUR sales, in addition to relieving a lot of concerns of free players by allowing them to buy AUR items with ISK. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 1612	Posted - 2015.01.06 23:36:00 - [87] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Being able to trade boosters and BPOs for ISK would lead to MORE AUR sales in my opinion. The people spending money now will be able to spend $ for ISK. Similar to what you see in Eve with Plex. The demand for ISK Boosters and BPOs would be high and there are plenty of people that would rather trade some AUR stuff for ISK than grind in crappy gear. Thor, you are I are on the same page here. Trading of AUR items will probably be a big thing to help CCP's AUR sales, in addition to relieving a lot of concerns of free players by allowing them to buy AUR items with ISK. I know for a fact that some of my disposable income would go towards BPOs for ISK, even if I am stupidly rich. If it helps Dust develop with the additional funds I and others are ploughing at CCP, I'm more than happy to do so. "Why build ontop of foundations that aren't solid?" Pilot & Assault. Complete twat.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6964	Posted - 2015.01.13 02:03:00 - [88] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Also, actually, nobody at CCP ever said "I promise", "we promise", or the word "promise" either. So in addition to your poor expectations that the new EP should be forced to follow the old EP's path to run the game into the ground, you've decided that a tentative plan, which did not to fruition, now amounts to a "promise". Was only following in your footsteps when you also claimed that the 2013 fanfest made promises. Soraya Xel wrote: I would highlight two things here: 1. Last Fanfest was a train wreck. (Personal opinion.) The Fanfest before it was a bunch of promises that never happened. (Definite fact.) I, for one, am glad we are not going for round three on this trend. 2. Generally, if you want to get a bunch of big reveals for Fanfest, you have to hold some information back for a bit to get a big announcement together. I, also for one, would rather CCP just tell us what's up. Something the CPM has been actively encouraging. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2483144#post2483144 But you know whatever try to bash others for claims you made two months ago. easy to flip back and forth on a topic when it's most beneficial to you. You have as much accountability as CCP. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1770	Posted - 2015.01.13 03:19:00 - [89] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Also, actually, nobody at CCP ever said "I promise", "we promise", or the word "promise" either. So in addition to your poor expectations that the new EP should be forced to follow the old EP's path to run the game into the ground, you've decided that a tentative plan, which did not to fruition, now amounts to a "promise". Soraya Xel wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Technically Viktor does have a point that CCP needs to be held accountable for its lack of maintaining its promises. Even if the promise was a very loose promise like "we hope to implement [insert feature here] by this time" or "we hope to fix [insert broken mechanic here] by this time" or whatever. A promise is a promise. "We hope" is now a promise? o_o Wut? So when you look at the current roadmap, if something gets bumped a patch or doesn't happen, we're going to get this whole "but CCP promised me!" thing? That's the sort of attitude that makes CCP hesitant to share their plans. Please do not make my job of getting them to communicate stuff harder by being completely and totally unreasonable. Was only following in your footsteps when you also claimed that the 2013 fanfest made promises. Soraya Xel wrote: I would highlight two things here: 1. Last Fanfest was a train wreck. (Personal opinion.) The Fanfest before it was a bunch of promises that never happened. (Definite fact.) I, for one, am glad we are not going for round three on this trend. 2. Generally, if you want to get a bunch of big reveals for Fanfest, you have to hold some information back for a bit to get a big announcement together. I, also for one, would rather CCP just tell us what's up. Something the CPM has been actively encouraging. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2483144#post2483144 But you know whatever try to bash others for claims you made two months ago even going as far as stating that promises were made and it was a "Definite fact". easy to flip back and forth on a topic when it's most beneficial to you. lolCPM This must be one of the new lava maps because that was quite the burn.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5329	Posted - 2015.01.13 04:55:00 - [90] - Quote I felt that one. :/ I will go ahead and hide in a corner and cry for the rest of the night. I did say promises myself, and now I feel dumb as a brick. +1 Viktor Hadah Jr. You win this round. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6967	Posted - 2015.01.13 05:48:00 - [91] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I felt that one. :/ I will go ahead and hide in a corner and cry for the rest of the night. I did say promises myself, and now I feel dumb as a brick. +1 Viktor Hadah Jr. You win this round. GG CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services


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