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Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6788	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:59:00 - [1] - Quote I speculate it's not going to come out. There has been no confirmation it will come in Feb. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6788	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:15:00 - [2] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I speculate it's not going to come out. There has been no confirmation it will come in Feb. ...except on the roadmap that has been available to view since Uprising 1.10. Link. Under EPIC - User Experience: Simple Trading. So "want to do" with the lowest priority is now = "Will most certainly happen"? I'm still waiting for those Amarr and Min vehicles that were confirmed to come out over a year ago.... CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6789	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:27:00 - [3] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: So "want to do" with the lowest priority is now = "Will most certainly happen"? It's tentative, yeah. Everything on the roadmap is tentative. There isn't a single red label "Must Do" on the entire roadmap. Just infer that they intend on rolling out the features listed under each EPIC. If they get pushed back then so be it. Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'm still waiting for those Amarr and Min vehicles that were confirmed to come out over a year ago... Did a blue tag actually say the Amarr and Minmatar vehicles were going to be released? All I've ever heard is that they might release them as reskinned versions of the current Caldari and Gallente vehicles. Yeah they came out in fanfest 2013 showing Amarr and Min vehicles they were actual model of the amarr and min vehicles were unique and not reskinned. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6789	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:36:00 - [4] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Yeah they came out in fanfest 2013 showing Amarr and Min vehicles they were actual model of the amarr and min vehicles were unique and not reskinned. And then Dust got a new EP and CCP Rattati who both basically said, in more words, "Promises made by our predecessors are void. Dust is under new management." yeah that's super f*cked up. Everything CCP promised is now out the window. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6789	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:47:00 - [5] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Yeah that's super fcked up. Everything CCP promised is now out the window. Dude, the previous EP was promising all sorts of over the top nonsense that the dev team could never pull off. CCP Rouge and Rattati had to wipe the slate clean and start over. Dust needed to have things prioritized; I hate to say it, but vehicle parity isn't exactly ultra important to getting new players in Dust. /me hears the vehicle pilot horde coming... I'm not saying having racial vehicle parity isn't cool! New players are Dust's lifeblood. Without them this game dies. We need new players to keep revenues up. So long as Dust continues living CCP can work on the stuff we want. Unfortunately for us, CCP develops as fast as old people ***. Trying to put the fault on old EP when it is actually on CCP. Who hired the guy that made all these promises, CCP is as much of the problem as a the old EP It's not that EP made all the old promises, it's that CCP made all the old promises. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6790	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:02:00 - [6] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Trying to put the fault on old EP when it is actually on CCP. Who hired the guy that made all these promises, CCP is as much of the problem as a the old EP. It's not that EP made all the old promises, it's that CCP made all the old promises. Play the blame game all you want; CCP, the previous EP, CCP Rouge. It's doesn't matter. What matters is the here and now. Present day Dust 514: **** everything that happened pre-Rattati. They can't undo the past anymore than you or I. They are working on making Dust work now. Does Dust need a shitload more vehicles to balance? As cool as they would be, no, not really. But we have some power to guide CCP's development. Are you on the crowdsourcing board yet? Get on there and upvote the card about the missing racial vehicles. That will tell CCP you really want those things. No it does matter. There need to accountability. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6790	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:12:00 - [7] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No it does matter. There need to accountability. Okay, you keep beating that drum. Keep asking for CCP Rattati and Rouge to deliver on promises they had no say in. See how far that gets you. Here is the crowdsourcing board: https://trello.com/b/8PvubQrN/dust-514-community-crowdsourcing I couldn't find a card for vehicle parity. Go there, create a card if you have an account. Hell, I'll even vote on it if you link it here. This gets it on CCP's radar. Let other players show their support of the idea. Just be aware that when given the choice of improving Dust's existing features or adding new assets, Rattati is probably going to choose the former 9 out of 10 times. It's not about vehicle parity it's not about CCP rogue or rattati. It's about CCP as a company. They can't just say we hired this guy it did not work out so we hired someone else now it will work out. There should not be this get out of jail free card. I don't take it as the old EP made these promises, i take it as CCP made these promises and they were broken. If CCP rogue left tomorrow and they got a new EP and then he said. We are shutting down dust and work exclusively on legion. would you say "Well this guy did not make any promises to work on dust so that is a completely legitimate decision" CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6790	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:37:00 - [8] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's not about vehicle parity it's not about CCP rogue or rattati. It's about CCP as a company. They can't just say we hired this guy it did not work out so we hired someone else now it will work out. There should not be this get out of jail free card. I don't take it as the old EP made these promises, i take it as CCP made these promises and they were broken. If CCP rogue left tomorrow and they got a new EP and then he said. We are shutting down dust and work exclusively on legion. would you say "Well this guy did not make any promises to work on dust so that is a completely legitimate decision" Let me explain why you are an idiot. Because the former EP made mistakes. Those promises, were a part of those mistakes. When you get a new EP, you don't tell the new guy "you have to keep making the mistakes the old EP made", because that's dumb. You seem to think that a company should be prohibited from fixing what it did wrong. Those promises were a mistake. The new team is trying not to make those mistakes. So i'm just suppose to forgive CCP for making the mistakes they did because they call "Bad EP" then move on. I'm not saying they can't make changes if you would read. I said i don't care about vehicle parity. I'm saying CCP still needs to be held accountable for hiring the old EP and i'm not going just let them saying we are starting over again and let them think that i am completely okay with how being lied to by the company. The EP made mistakes, but he represented CCP at that time so CCP so it is also made that mistake. Why should i take faith in the EP. CCP as a company has not gotten my trust back because they said "New EP" and apparently people think that means all problems solved. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6791	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:49:00 - [9] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: What do you mean by accountable? What do you feel CCP has to do to make you happy, Viktor? I will pass along to CCP, "Hey guys, Viktor says this is what will make him happy." CCP didn't lie to you by showing concepts for Amarr and Minmatar vehicles. They showed you a roadmap, and that roadmap didn't happen. You decided it was a promise, but it never was. There was never any assurance that was made that specific things would be delivered within a specific timeframe. So what exactly are you expecting CCP to be accountable to? For saying sht will happen and never following through with it. Mistakes can be made and changed. But way before Dust was even released i was thinking "well from all i'm reading we are not even getting half the things that were on the road map during beta." And then the EP kept promising more and more. Yet half the things CCP was boasting and trying to get never even made it into the full game. Then what is the purpose of a road map if it's not being followed through with. Why should i think this road map is any better than the old one. How do i know they will follow through here when they did not with the old one. You say all this sht you want to do then do nothing. The EP is doing this under the charge of CCP. Why should i have faith in CCP when they let people do whatever they want with no check and balances when there EP says things should be done but it is not. I'm saying i remember the old EP and i remember the thing him and CCP said they are wanting to do. I don't feel like i should have faith in CCP right off the bat just because they say "New EP" CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6791	Posted - 2015.01.05 19:00:00 - [10] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So what do you expect them to do about it, Viktor? Or is this whole tirade you saying you're bitter, intend to keep being bitter, and will continue reminding people of it on a regular basis? Are you saying CCP should give up trying to make you happy, because you'll hold every past mistake from former employees over them in perpetuity? I mean, there's like nothing to work with in your post here. I'm expecting them to keep working like they have been recently and over time i will gain faith in them. What are you expecting me to do. Say "Well lol that was fun, a lot of the thing you said that were going to happen did not. But let me put all my faith into your next project like nothing happen." CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6815	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:38:00 - [11] - Quote I could not give less f*cks about vehicle parity the thing that gets to me is how easily it was dismissed and moved away from like nothing happen. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6815	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:50:00 - [12] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I'm going to play the Robot Devil's Advocate here for a moment on behalf of Viktor. Technically Viktor does have a point that CCP needs to be held accountable for its lack of maintaining its promises. Even if the promise was a very loose promise like "we hope to implement [insert feature here] by this time" or "we hope to fix [insert broken mechanic here] by this time" or whatever. A promise is a promise. What I think Viktor is simply asking for here is not to force CCP to keep those old promises but to at least have CCP finally admit to the mistake of never being able to deliver. Remember the 750,000 SP screwup that CCP Rattati did not too long ago? He managed to get off Scott Free by the community because he admitted to his **** ups. He has the balls to come forward and say "Oops! I done goofed! Sorry, I won't let this happen again." But he didn't even stop there. Rattati even went as far as making amends with the players who felt slighted by at least trying to keep to his word saying "Ok, we'll let you have the 750,000 SP Cap for 30 days and see how it goes from there." So far, we still have 750,000 SP weekly cap even when we are way past the 30 day mark. I guess it hasn't caused problems so far. I could not give less fcks about vehicle parity the thing that gets to me is how easily it was dismissed and moved away from like nothing happen along with everything else that was said would happen. So easily whipped the slate clear like i should put all my invest into the new vision without asking any questions. But am I correct in my assumption that what you're looking for is CCP to finally come forward and publicly admit to it past mistakes? I mean, CCP did just that for Eve Online shortly after the Jita Riots of 2011 when Incarna proved to be a total cluster ***. It's shouldn't be hard for CCP to do that for Dust. That would be nice or some sort of why we are changing everything type of statement. Everyone already kind of knew why but CCP themselves kind of glided over it a bit and was more of like well this is how things are going to be now, just because. They don't have to but that would help me with regaining faith and confidence in them again. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6833	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:51:00 - [13] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's not that EP made all the old promises, it's that CCP made all the old promises. I think you are confusing "promises" with "vision". At the end of the day, it's water under the bridge, and nothing can change the past. When they said they were laser focused on dust was that just a vision? Then half a year later had a playable version of EVE legion. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6964	Posted - 2015.01.13 02:03:00 - [14] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Also, actually, nobody at CCP ever said "I promise", "we promise", or the word "promise" either. So in addition to your poor expectations that the new EP should be forced to follow the old EP's path to run the game into the ground, you've decided that a tentative plan, which did not to fruition, now amounts to a "promise". Was only following in your footsteps when you also claimed that the 2013 fanfest made promises. Soraya Xel wrote: I would highlight two things here: 1. Last Fanfest was a train wreck. (Personal opinion.) The Fanfest before it was a bunch of promises that never happened. (Definite fact.) I, for one, am glad we are not going for round three on this trend. 2. Generally, if you want to get a bunch of big reveals for Fanfest, you have to hold some information back for a bit to get a big announcement together. I, also for one, would rather CCP just tell us what's up. Something the CPM has been actively encouraging. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2483144#post2483144 But you know whatever try to bash others for claims you made two months ago. easy to flip back and forth on a topic when it's most beneficial to you. You have as much accountability as CCP. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6967	Posted - 2015.01.13 05:48:00 - [15] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I felt that one. :/ I will go ahead and hide in a corner and cry for the rest of the night. I did say promises myself, and now I feel dumb as a brick. +1 Viktor Hadah Jr. You win this round. GG CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services